Joker "The Joker" in development with Todd Phillips and Martin Scorsese attached? - Part 2

[BarryLyndon]

here's a fanmade trailer I made for the 30th anniversary of BATMAN 1989 with Joker (2019).

 

[The Guard]

I love Jack, love 89, but he was mostly accurate to merely the superficial aspects of the character, being the permawhite skin and suit and all. You don't get the sense that he's truly obsessed with Batman.

Nicholson's Joker is not truly obsessed with Batman in the "you changed things"/"do this forever" sense that Ledger's Joker is, but once Batman foils him a few times, his grand plan is still half focused on making Batman look bad/ineffective. He's obsessed with being better than Batman. He's constantly talking about him, complaining about him, etc. There's his announcement of the parade, when he dares Batman to show up. He invokes Batman to mock him at the festival/parade. Even his pursuit of Vicki seems to be a veiled attempt to learn more about Batman.

Although part of the reason that Nicholson's Joker isn't as obsessed with Batman in BATMAN is that The Joker is largely obsessed with himself in the movie, even before he becomes The Joker. Which is a fairly faithful take on the character in a somewhat Silver/Bronze Age sense.

 

[hellblazer103]

Nicholson's Joker is not truly obsessed with Batman in the "you changed things"/"do this forever" sense that Ledger's Joker is, but once Batman foils him a few times, his grand plan is still half focused on making Batman look bad/ineffective. He's obsessed with being better than Batman. He's constantly talking about him, complaining about him, etc. There's his announcement of the parade, when he dares Batman to show up. He invokes Batman to mock him at the festival/parade. Even his pursuit of Vicki seems to be a veiled attempt to learn more about Batman.

Although part of the reason that Nicholson's Joker isn't as obsessed with Batman in BATMAN is that The Joker is largely obsessed with himself in the movie, even before he becomes The Joker. Which is a fairly faithful take on the character in a somewhat Silver/Bronze Age sense.

Fair enough, I suppose. I just feel like it should go deeper than a simple popularity contest/ typical "you foiled my plan so I hate you now" thing. TDK took it deeper, and that's why I prefer it.

 

[Rorschach2012]

Cameron Monaghan’s Jerome was really good. Then he just completely ruined everything when he played Jerome’s twin, Jeremiah. Over acting to the max, and not intimidating at all

I’d rank the Jokers as:

1. Heath Ledger
2. Jack Nicholson
3. Cesar Romero
4. Cameron Monaghan’s Jerome
5. Jared Leto
6. Cameron Monaghan’s Jeremiah

 

[hellblazer103]

The concept of a "sane Joker " in Jeremiah was brilliant and then they just dropped the ball and made him crazy anyway and,yeah, Cameron kinda ****ed it up too lol

 

[thebatfan5194]

Cameron Monaghan’s Jerome was really good. Then he just completely ruined everything when he played Jerome’s twin, Jeremiah. Over acting to the max, and not intimidating at all

I’d rank the Jokers as:

1. Heath Ledger
2. Jack Nicholson
3. Cesar Romero
4. Cameron Monaghan’s Jerome
5. Jared Leto
6. Cameron Monaghan’s Jeremiah

I feel like Cameron Monaghan overacted as bith Jerome and Jeremiah, at least what I saw him in. I do agree Jerome felt a little more natural though.

 

[Enriquespy]

"Do you feel our conecshhhun Bruce?"

 

[hellblazer103]

WITHOUT ME UR JU$$T A JOKE

… wiffout a P U N C H L I N E

Lmao seriously, I couldn't even finish the rest of the season after that episode . Just when I thought they'd get their **** together for just ONE more season they drop the damn ball again

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Yeah, glad I dropped Gotham as early as I did.

 

[Rorschach2012]

Yeah, glad I dropped Gotham as early as I did.

I don’t understand how so many Batman fans hate the show. There are so many great moments. Especially between Bruce and Alfred.

 

[hellblazer103]

I don’t understand how so many Batman fans hate the show. There are so many great moments. Especially between Bruce and Alfred.

Because with as many good ideas as it'll occasionally have, they're muddled with poor execution and other, ****tier ideas. In an alternate universe, it could've done laps around Daredevil, but it wasn't handled NEARLY competently enough to do that .

 

[Gothamsknight]

My ranking of all of the live action Jokers because why the hell not

Heath ledger
Jack Nicholson
Cesar Romero
Cameron Monaghan
Jared Leto

 

[hellblazer103]

I guess at least with Cameron, I find myself enjoying him in his other work such as Shameless and he seems like a decent fellow, plus like I said before, Jeremiah was a decent concept on paper. Leto is a complete narcissist overselling his "method acting" and his Joker was bad in terms of execution AND conceptualization

 

[antsman41]

You forgot the put the guy from the Birds Of Prey - Pilot and that guy from those late 90’s On-Star commercials above Jared Leto.

 

[Rorschach2012]

Because with as many good ideas as it'll occasionally have, they're muddled with poor execution and other, ****tier ideas. In an alternate universe, it could've done laps around Daredevil, but it wasn't handled NEARLY competently enough to do that .

It’s pretty crazy, they were given the keys to the kingdom. It should’ve been so much better.
Live action Batman TV shows:
1. Batman ‘66
2. Gotham
3. Birds of Prey

I’m holding out hope for a genuinely great modern Batman tv show one day

 

[hellblazer103]

It’s pretty crazy, they were given the keys to the kingdom. It should’ve been so much better.
Live action Batman TV shows:
1. Batman ‘66
2. Gotham
3. Birds of Prey

I’m holding out hope for a genuinely great modern Batman tv show one day

They have the opportunity to do that, right now, on the DC streaming service, where it can be uncensored and free to go as far as it wants, AND they could do the same thing with John Constantine.

Will they do that? Nope

 

[Rorschach2012]

I’m pretty damn hyped for Iain Glen as Batman on Titans though ^

 

[hellblazer103]

I just love how Titans is the least good original show of theirs and it's the one most likely to survive lolololol

....jktakemeouttathisworldpls

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

I don’t understand how so many Batman fans hate the show. There are so many great moments. Especially between Bruce and Alfred.

I wouldn’t strictly say I was a Batman fan, I have liked many of the movies and the 60’s show as a kid, but I have never been an avid reader of his comics and actually find the titular character over rated. I find his villains more interesting than him, so essentially Gotham should have worked for me, but I couldn’t get more than 8 episodes into the first season.

 

[hellblazer103]

I wouldn’t strictly say I was a Batman fan, I have liked many of the movies and the 60’s show as a kid, but I have never been an avid reader of his comics and actually find the titular character over rated. I find his villains more interesting than him, so essentially Gotham should have worked for me, but I couldn’t get more than 8 episodes into the first season.

That seems to be a problem a lot of people have. I thought the Nolan films (at least Begins and Rises) did a good job giving an actual arc to the character instead of being a background piece and having the villains take the spotlight like the previous films , and I guess it's subjective and you probably disagree, but I thought Begins in particular was a good look into his psyche and it's not even the deepest you can go with it, there are a lot of ways to make Bruce Wayne interesting that a lot of interpretations don't really focus on. Case in point being Matches Malone. It's bad enough juggling two identities... 3? The 3rd being the persona of the very thing you despise and swore to go against? I think there's a lot of interesting places you can go with that and hopefully Reeves maybe even will for all we know . Like, imagine if, as a form of "initiation", he's given a gun and forced to shoot someone and kill them, right there, on the spot? If he wants to keep the Matches persona going, what is he to do? That's a very interesting challenge that I don't see get explored much, at least in live action

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

That seems to be a problem a lot of people have. I thought the Nolan films (at least Begins and Rises) did a good job giving an actual arc to the character instead of being a background piece and having the villains take the spotlight like the previous films , and I guess it's subjective and you probably disagree, but I thought Begins in particular was a good look into his psyche and it's not even the deepest you can go with it, there are a lot of ways to make Bruce Wayne interesting that a lot of interpretations don't really focus on. Case in point being Matches Malone. It's bad enough juggling two identities... 3? The 3rd being the persona of the very thing you despise and swore to go against? I think there's a lot of interesting places you can go with that and hopefully Reeves maybe even will for all we know . Like, imagine if, as a form of "initiation", he's given a gun and forced to shoot someone and kill them, right there, on the spot? If he wants to keep the Matches persona going, what is he to do? That's a very interesting challenge that I don't see get explored much, at least in live action

I loved the way BB did that actually, it’s the most interesting I have ever found Batman himself, but as a casual Batman fan, I didn’t realise they could delve deeper.

On a semi related note though, I think Reeves is an amazing director and can’t wait to see what he comes up with.

 

[The Guard]

If he wants to keep the Matches persona going, what is he to do?

Burn down the monastery.

 

[hellblazer103]

Burn down the monastery.

Well, I mean.... Yeah, literally wtf else was he supposed to do there, in that scenario? He put himself in just the same amount of risk as everyone else in that monastery. Some made it out, some didn't, but anyone who tries to say that he directly killed anyone there is just flat out wrong. I won't deny that it can seem hypocritical at the surface, but maybe that's the point, maybe that's part of the moral conflict...

To be fair, though, you could be just giving an example of a similar scenario and not implying that at all, so... Idunno.

But yeah, good point either way, that'd be more or less the same kind of scenario and I didn't really think of that . I just think there's a lot you could do with the Matches Malone thing and it's one of the least explored aspects of the character as far as I can tell.

 

[BaelaTargaryen]

 

[hellblazer103]

I like how that tweet is from a guy who, in some wacky alternate universe, could've ended up being The Joker in TDK. (I was a Bettanyboi the whole way through but man am I glad we got Ledger anyways)