Joker "The Joker" in development with Todd Phillips and Martin Scorsese attached? - Part 2

[Hollis Mason]

You could say...

It's a rise up...

 

[TheScarecrow]

This is recovering nicely from the TIFF bashing. Could end up in the 80s if this continues.

Still not Certified Fresh, though...

 

[metaphysician]

How the hell was Ledger’s Joker a “flashy cb villain”?

He was a superhumanly competent mastermind, with an outlandish persona, executing plots on a large scale to prove philosophical points in a grandiose manner, while dueling with an equally superhumanly competent heroic rival. In what way was he *not* a flashy comicbook villain?

 

[TMP98]

Still not Certified Fresh, though...

79% with 149 reviews and it's still not certified fresh haha

 

[Mr.T]

I’m off Friday and will be going without the wife when the theater opens to watch this film. I wasn’t sure what to make of this movie but the critic response has me hyped up now to see it. I almost feel dirty like I’m going to the local adult theater to watch something I shouldn’t.

 

[metaphysician]

It seems to me that the root of most of the criticism towards this movie seems to be political. In which case, it's not really a wholly objective appraisal of the movie's actual merits, is it?

The themes and messages a movie chooses to examine *are* part of its merits. Birth of a Nation was a revolution in the technical craft of movie making. This will *never, ever* matter more than that it uses said craft to push KKK propaganda.

 

[kendalag]

Back to back 2/4 rottens to drop back to 78

 

[Hollis Mason]

Yeah, ANOTHER review complaining about the violence.

 

[Art Vandelay]

He was a superhumanly competent mastermind, with an outlandish persona, executing plots on a large scale to prove philosophical points in a grandiose manner, while dueling with an equally superhumanly competent heroic rival. In what way was he *not* a flashy comicbook villain?

Plus, there's this

 

[Mysteryman]

Back to back 2/4 rottens to drop back to 78

Top Critics?

 

[Guts]

Plus, there's this

Out of context this makes Joker look like Scrooge McDuck.

 

[Mysteryman]

Yeah, ANOTHER review complaining about the violence.

Is that a problem?

 

[TheSmoothKnight]

Is that a problem?

Yeah, when other movies that has way more violence gets a pass. Hypocrisy by some of these critics are hilarious.

 

[kendalag]

Top Critics?

1 of them ... Anne Hornaday of Washington Post.

Again though, almost all the negatives are coming from US critics. It's quite fascinating.

 

[TheSmoothKnight]

1 of them ... Anne Hornaday of Washington Post.

Again though, almost all the negatives are coming from US critics. It's quite fascinating.

Too “violent” for us Americans...

 

[Boom]

We are a sensitive bunch.

 

[HBarnill]

The themes and messages a movie chooses to examine *are* part of its merits. Birth of a Nation was a revolution in the technical craft of movie making. This will *never, ever* matter more than that it uses said craft to push KKK propaganda.

D.W. Griffith didn’t even make the movie to push that agenda. He liked the book the film was based on and wanted to use his talents to make an epic. It didn’t help he got super defensive to criticisms that it was a racist movie but that’s beside the point.

 

[The Shape]

Call me crazy, but I don't see what the big deal is with these Todd Phillips comments.

Sounded to me like he was exaggerating and half joking about "woke culture", talking out of his ass in what was certainly a much lengthier interview than those few sentences, but he's still expressing a somewhat valid concern about comedies/comedians being afraid to offend people and take heat. "Cancel culture" would have been more appropriate. Either way, who cares if he wanted out of the comedy arena or why?

I do welcome him saying he wanted to take the comic book universe and turn it on its head with this. We need films like this, more variety and diversity in comic book movie storytelling. Different viewpoints. I haven't seen the film yet, but going by all the news, reviews, "controversy", hype, and conversation surrounding Joker, it seems like Phillips succeeded -- or at least got what he wanted.

 

[Hollis Mason]

Call me crazy, but I don't see what the big deal is with these Todd Phillips comments.

Sounded to me like he was exaggerating and half joking about "woke culture", talking out of his ass in what was certainly a much lengthier interview than those few sentences, but he's still expressing a somewhat valid concern about comedies/comedians being afraid to offend people and take heat. "Cancel culture" would have been more appropriate. Either way, who cares if he wanted out of the comedy arena or why?

I do welcome him saying he wanted to take the comic book universe and turn it on its head with this. We need films like this, more variety and diversity in comic book movie storytelling. Different viewpoints. I haven't seen the film yet, but going by all the news, reviews, "controversy", hype, and conversation surrounding Joker, it seems like Phillips succeeded -- or at least got what he wanted.

It's not a big deal. He said people got offended easily and they proved his point... by getting offended.

It's not a tragedy. It's a comedy.

 

[dhandler01]

Said this a few days ago, but the Hangover is going to age fine. That'll always be regarded as an early comedy classic of this millennium.



Yeah Burr talks about this a lot. Any time he's asked about his "controversial" style he immediately goes on one of his beautiful rants about how 100 people whining on twitter isn't a "controversy", it's a self-perpetuating cycle of anger and then attention and then more anger aimed at those 100 people, and then wake up the next day and do it again about something else.

I have paid to see Burr twice and while he is always funny when someone gets him going and he starts riff-ranting it is cant miss stuff!

 

[HBarnill]

If he’s right, then why is South Park still on the air and why is it as anti-PC as it’s ever been?

 

[Travesty]

Shows like South Park and Sunny are grandfathered in. I doubt South Park could premiere today.

 

[Holy Slapper]

Almost every single one of those quoted films/series got a lot of backlash. Specially Dave Chappelle and South Park. So i don't see what point are you making. And Jojo Rabbit got crucified by critics at MC.

The same Jojo Rabbit that's at 77% Fresh after 79 reviews? I think I saw some critic who didn't like Joker give this a better score. Not going to check because I'm lazy and frankly don't care to.

 

[mddbatman]

I like Todd Phillips, he seems like a good guy, and i still can't wait for this film.

 

[Holy Slapper]

There was a screening at Stockholm. People seem to have loved the movie there, too.

Well **** the Swedes! (obligatory Finn on Swede violence)

Press screening over here in Finland as well, two reviews I've seen so far published, one on the only movie magazine still surviving over here (print business doing poorly globally etc.) gave it 5/5 where as one popular website gave it 3½/5 (mostly due to Phoenix, said not enough original plot on the actual movie).