Joker "The Joker" in development with Todd Phillips and Martin Scorsese attached? - Part 2

[FunkMiller]

I personally would love this and had the same theory haha

It’s really the only conceivable way they could bring Phoenix back, but maintain the effectiveness of the story in Joker. Arthur Fleck should never face Batman, but a Joker played by Joaquin Phoenix could.

Having said all that, I don’t ever see Phoenix wanting to get involved in a full blown DC Comics Batman movie, judging from articles like this:

Joaquin Phoenix Never Liked Thomas Wayne Being Included in ‘Joker’ Script

...if he had huge doubts about Batman mythology being included in Joker at all, I don’t see him wanting to do a Batman movie!

 

[TheGuy]

The Wayne/Batman ties are probably the next best thing about Joker other than Phoenix himself.

 

[FatRobin]

So does anyone know what's going on with the name Arthur Fleck? Did Todd Phillips ever say why he chose that name?

 

[Gothamsknight]

It’s really the only conceivable way they could bring Phoenix back, but maintain the effectiveness of the story in Joker. Arthur Fleck should never face Batman, but a Joker played by Joaquin Phoenix could.

Having said all that, I don’t ever see Phoenix wanting to get involved in a full blown DC Comics Batman movie, judging from articles like this:

Joaquin Phoenix Never Liked Thomas Wayne Being Included in ‘Joker’ Script

...if he had huge doubts about Batman mythology being included in Joker at all, I don’t see him wanting to do a Batman movie!

True, but I feel like he's probably more receptive towards it now haha. If we saw him go up against Batman, I could see him looking very different than he did in Joker while also being loosely tied to it. Who knows what the future holds at this point but I wouldn't completely shoot down the idea of him returning for a Batman film. Was Peter Travers specifically talking about The Batman?

 

[Roose Bolton]

So, anyone think Marvel will have a go at that Doom solo movie now?

Don’t know if they will, but they damned well should.

 

[Calvin Ellis]

I'd say no. Why should they copy anything DC does?

Because Thanos (copy of Darkseid) worked out well for them. As did quicksilver (copy of Flash). Also because Infinity Wars and Endgame (copy of Snyder's original plans for JL) worked out well for them.

 

[TheFuture]

Because Thanos (copy of Darkseid) worked out well for them. As did quicksilver (copy of Flash). Also because Infinity Wars and Endgame (copy of Snyder's original plans for JL) worked out well for them.

I'm running for cover on this one.

 

[Gladius Nova]

Not that I necessarily want Phoenix’s Joker to be in a Batman movie...

...but if you went with the idea that the only actual real sequence in the whole of Joker is

Spoiler

the Arkham Asylum scene at the end, and that the whole story of Arthur Fleck was one The Joker made up to entertain the psychiatrist before he killed her...

That way this entire movie basically becomes another, much longer version of Heath Ledger’s Joker telling his fake back story about how he got his scars.

I think that would be reaching. The "story" needs to be taken as we see it. I don't think DC is in a spot to cause unnecessary confusion to the general movie going audience at this point. The movie was really well done though.

 

[Joe Von Zombie]

I know I'm overthinking it but the reception for this movie kinda reminds me of the original reception for The Thing. That movie was also criticized for being mean spirited and nihilistic. Goddamnit, I ****ing loved this movie.

 

[Gladius Nova]

It’s really the only conceivable way they could bring Phoenix back, but maintain the effectiveness of the story in Joker. Arthur Fleck should never face Batman, but a Joker played by Joaquin Phoenix could.

Having said all that, I don’t ever see Phoenix wanting to get involved in a full blown DC Comics Batman movie, judging from articles like this:

Joaquin Phoenix Never Liked Thomas Wayne Being Included in ‘Joker’ Script

...if he had huge doubts about Batman mythology being included in Joker at all, I don’t see him wanting to do a Batman movie!

Actors can have an extraordinary level of experience, awards, and artistic qualities,.....but $$ talks in Hollywood. Joaquin could be the next Robert Downey Jr. of the WB/DC world.

 

[geosphere]

Because Thanos (copy of Darkseid) worked out well for them. As did quicksilver (copy of Flash). Also because Infinity Wars and Endgame (copy of Snyder's original plans for JL) worked out well for them.

I so wanted to respond to that post with some similar points and going even deeper on the fact that the superhero genre was essentially created by DC hence the term SUPER(as in superman)hero. The list is infinite on what they've taken from DC(which the general public wants to give them credit for).But I decided to just drop it. I am tired of getting stuck in the mud with people on this topic.

 

[BatLobster]

Not that I necessarily want Phoenix’s Joker to be in a Batman movie...

...but if you went with the idea that the only actual real sequence in the whole of Joker is

Spoiler

the Arkham Asylum scene at the end, and that the whole story of Arthur Fleck was one The Joker made up to entertain the psychiatrist before he killed her...

That way this entire movie basically becomes another, much longer version of Heath Ledger’s Joker telling his fake back story about how he got his scars.

As someone who was kind of on the fence about even doing a Joker origin film, I went into the film kind of hoping they would hint at something like that.

Spoiler

So as soon as it cut to that final sequence in AA, I was pretty geeked out and immediately jumped to that interpretation of the film. It's the most Joker-y spin you could put on the whole thing.

 

[FunkMiller]

I think that would be reaching. The "story" needs to be taken as we see it. I don't think DC is in a spot to cause unnecessary confusion to the general movie going audience at this point. The movie was really well done though.

I’d imagine WB would think it wouldn’t actually make any business sense for Phoenix to pop up in a Batman movie, despite Joker’s box office.

Batman is WB’s biggest single character IP, and one directed at pretty much all age groups. Can’t see them wanting to associate that with a r-rated, ‘controversial’, adults only movie.

Not a position I necessarily hold, but certainly one I can see WB adopting.

 

[FunkMiller]

As someone who was kind of on the fence about even doing a Joker origin film, I went into the film kind of hoping they would hint at something like that.

Spoiler

So as soon as it cut to that final sequence in AA, I was pretty geeked out and immediately jumped to that interpretation of the film. It's the most Joker-y spin you could put on the whole thing.

The absolute smartest thing Phillips and Phoenix could do, if they did want to pursue another Joker movie, would be to not do a sequel to Joker, but have Phoenix play a completely different character, in a totally different iteration. That would be very original, and would create far more buzz than a straight forward sequel.

 

[Karelia]

Spoiler

Arthur has grey hairs so it feels like a big time jump? I'll be seeing it again mostly because of that scene because I wasn't expecting it.

"There is no greater unreliable narrator than Joker. He's an unreliable narrator and he's Joker, so it's sort of like a double whammy, and so I think that lends to people's reaction to the movie and I like that people don't really know what happened. There are certain things if you see it again, on a second viewing, you'll notice about that white room at the end that kind of picks up at the beginning, and you go, 'Oh, wait a minute, that's interesting.' Its kind of one of those."

-Todd Phillip's (via ComicBook.com)

 

[TheFuture]

"There is no greater unreliable narrator than Joker. He's an unreliable narrator and he's Joker, so it's sort of like a double whammy, and so I think that lends to people's reaction to the movie and I like that people don't really know what happened. There are certain things if you see it again, on a second viewing, you'll notice about that white room at the end that kind of picks up at the beginning, and you go, 'Oh, wait a minute, that's interesting.' Its kind of one of those."

-Todd Phillip's (via ComicBook.com)

Spoiler

In that case I wouldn't think there's much to it; the white room appears at the beginning. It lends to the theory that the whole film was Joker just ****ing with his therapist and by proxy the audience.

Such a ploy in any other film wouldn't work but because it's the Joker it works well.

 

[Gothamsknight]

The absolute smartest thing Phillips and Phoenix could do, if they did want to pursue another Joker movie, would be to not do a sequel to Joker, but have Phoenix play a completely different character, in a totally different iteration. That would be very original, and would create far more buzz than a straight forward sequel.

If they were to have him go up against Batman, then I don't think they could do it other than making him a different version. We would have to look at the joker film as a loose connection to the version we'd see go up against Batman, which could work.

This film being

Spoiler

One long story he told the therapist before he killed her is what I'm leaning most at right now.

 

[TheSmoothKnight]

Box Office: ‘Joker’ Laughs Last, Finishes First With Boffo $94 Million Weekend

 

[The Joker]

If they were to have him go up against Batman, then I don't think they could do it other than making him a different version. We would have to look at the joker film as a loose connection to the version we'd see go up against Batman, which could work.

This film being

Spoiler

One long story he told the therapist before he killed her is what I'm leaning most at right now.

Lets entertain the unlikely event that he goes up against a Batman, Phillips has already poured cold water on the notion that he will be facing Reeves' Batman. So what's the alternative? Cast another Batman, and have two different Batmen going at the same time?

 

[terry78]

Yes. You basically make Joker the protagonist yet again and we see it all from his POV. The actor playing Bats is just there as a somewhat silent antagonist for him.

 

[The Joker]

Good luck with that. Never in a million years do I see them bring Batman into a Joker movie or any movie for that matter, just to be some silent no personality character. He's way too popular and significant to get treated like that.

 

[8ulk87]

Box Office: ‘Joker’ Laughs Last, Finishes First With Boffo $94 Million Weekend

Doubters gonna doubt but the October US opening record now belongs to Joker.

$550-600 wil WW is now the target.

 

[Deck Rickard]

Good luck with that. Never in a million years do I see them bring Batman into a Joker movie or any movie for that matter, just to be some silent no personality character. He's way too popular and significant to get treated like that.

I mean... Tim Burton already did it...

 

[The Joker]

I mean... Tim Burton already did it...

But even then he had the Bruce Wayne stuff to fall back on.

 

[Micromind]