Joker "The Joker" in development with Todd Phillips and Martin Scorsese attached? - Part 2

[geosphere]

no it’s just facts. Batfleck is gone, Leto is gone, cavill is gone. It’s probably just gonna go it’s own way but it ain’t the Snyder verse anymore. That’s over. And good riddance

Well like I said, I won't have a semantics argument with you but we can definitely find common ground and agree on one thing, good riddance to Zack.

 

[dhandler01]

It’s def dead buddy. Batfleck is gone and the only ones left are Wonder Woman , aquaman and Harley Quinn and evening that is a soft reboot. It’s ova

Nice try but you proved yourself wrong in your own post. Dead means nothing continues from it. Aquaman was a directly after (and referenced) Justice League and Wonder Woman flat out was following BvS.

BTW you are wrong also because Suicide Squad is still part of it (the new one is a sequel) as is Shazam.

The only ones NOT in it are Batfleck and most likely Cav-El.

It was a cute attempt though keep trying

 

[dhandler01]

It underperformed regardless of the comparison with Joker's 3rd weekend.

It was projected for $50 mil and didnt even hit 40.
The original opened for $69,4 and grossed a total of $758,5 mil WW.

This one will barely hit $500 mil.

I dont see a 3rd one happening.

I didnt see the first, but I am not sure why they even made this one. (outside of Disney's need to always make sequels or remakes) There was no way it would be as good or would catch lightning in a bottle like the first one did. Kind of reminds me of Lego Movie 2...even if it was good part of what made Lego Movie good was how unique it was in many aspects. There was no way the sequel would have that charm because by definition it wouldnt be as unique.

 

[dhandler01]

no it’s just facts. Batfleck is gone, Leto is gone, cavill is gone. It’s probably just gonna go it’s own way but it ain’t the Snyder verse anymore. That’s over. And good riddance

Snyderverse /= DCEU. That is where your argument fails.

None of us are saying the Snyderverse continues (or should) but the DCEU still lives they just filtered out the aspects of his stories that didnt work and moved forward. That is why the stuff is referenced but then pushed aside by whatever the solo directors decide to do. Similar to what Marvel did with Norton's Hulk only on a much grander scale.

Gunn's SS is a sequel to Ayer's for Pete's sake so your whole thesis is wrong.

 

[Vlyse]

no it’s just facts. Batfleck is gone, Leto is gone, cavill is gone. It’s probably just gonna go it’s own way but it ain’t the Snyder verse anymore. That’s over. And good riddance

I've never understood what this is supposed to even mean. BVS and JL was a contained 2-parter crossover. JL had an open-ending, basically "And So The Adventure Continues" for anything to come next. Some cast members leaving hasn't changed that fact.

 

[David H.]

So, what was up with Joker’s breaking and entering superpowers?

 

[8ulk87]

I didnt see the first, but I am not sure why they even made this one. .

I can think of 758,5 million reasons why they made a sequel.

 

[hellblazer103]

Nice try but you proved yourself wrong in your own post. Dead means nothing continues from it. Aquaman was a directly after (and referenced) Justice League and Wonder Woman flat out was following BvS.

BTW you are wrong also because Suicide Squad is still part of it (the new one is a sequel) as is Shazam.

The only ones NOT in it are Batfleck and most likely Cav-El.

It was a cute attempt though keep trying

The real question is ;

Why would you WANT the rest of it to exist??

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

So, what was up with Joker’s breaking and entering superpowers?

You'll have to clarify. I am not familiar with this criticism of the movie.

 

[David H.]

You'll have to clarify. I am not familiar with this criticism of the movie.

It’s not really a criticism, it’s just this weird thing I thought the movie glossed over a bunch. Like, sometimes it’s happenstance. The police outside the Charlie Chaplin movie were too busy with the mob so he just gets inside to talk to Thomas Wayne, but other times he just magically appears in other people’s apartments or makes it away with confidential documents inside a mental asylum because the movie has to have its plot twists/reveals.

He comes this close to just walking right into Wayne manor!

 

[kguillou]

Its just one of those “movie” things you have to go with. I cant tell you how many movies i watch that I roll my eyes at--ones that i really enjoy too—where they have characters easily breaking into places and conveniently avoiding security guards and cameras and such.

 

[Hollis Mason]

It's set on the 80s, when Mental Asylums were basically ****holes. And you can see people followed but didn't find him. It also would be kind of boring to see a scene of Arthur escaping from the Asylum, and considering they had a shocking emotional moment there, it would ruin the mood that scene established.

 

[Gothamsknight]

 

[David H.]

Like I said, it’s not really a criticism, it’s just this weird thing that got kind of funny after a while. He’s quite literally unstoppable. Like, okurr.

 

[chintai80]

So, what was up with Joker’s breaking and entering superpowers?

lol it made me think the whole movie was just a fantasy in his head, cuz he was easily getting away with so many things.
like...with all the killing. and he doesn't get caught for weeks.

 

[LoganGambit87]

all these white tourist bout to get robbed in the bronx LOL

 

[Travesty]

I honestly didn't expect this movie to gain so much notoriety, that the friggin steps would be considered a landmark.

 

[Hollis Mason]

lol it made me think the whole movie was just a fantasy in his head, cuz he was easily getting away with so many things.
like...with all the killing. and he doesn't get caught for weeks.

You would be surprised about how hard it is to find a murderer. That **** can take years. And let's remember we are talking about Gotham here

 

[chintai80]

You would be surprised about how hard it is to find a murderer. That **** can take years. And let's remember we are talking about Gotham here

true, but then he

Spoiler

smothered his mom to death in her hospital room.
wouldn't the police been after him asap as the prime suspect?

then again, maybe that is why the two detectives were tailing him near the last 3rd of the movie?

 

[Hollis Mason]

true, but then he

Spoiler

smothered his mom to death in her hospital room.
wouldn't the police been after him asap as the prime suspect?

then again, maybe that is why the two detectives were tailing him near the last 3rd of the movie?

Spoiler

He could have just acted like he didn't do anything and they couldn't really prove it until they did an autopsy. He was alone at the room. They could suspect of him but not detain him. I guess that's why the detectives went to see him

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[Rwtakawalter]

I honestly didn't expect this movie to gain so much notoriety, that the friggin steps would be considered a landmark.

Same. I feel like this movie is going to be analyzed and talked about for years to come. I'm still surprised that WB let Phillip's and Phoenix do a low budget R rated take on Joker.

 

[ironwez20]

Snyderverse /= DCEU. That is where your argument fails.

None of us are saying the Snyderverse continues (or should) but the DCEU still lives they just filtered out the aspects of his stories that didnt work and moved forward. That is why the stuff is referenced but then pushed aside by whatever the solo directors decide to do. Similar to what Marvel did with Norton's Hulk only on a much grander scale.

Gunn's SS is a sequel to Ayer's for Pete's sake so your whole thesis is wrong.

what thesis? They said it was a soft reboot? And it’s not a sequel to . It’s a soft reboot. They said so themselves. The hell

 

[ironwez20]

Nice try but you proved yourself wrong in your own post. Dead means nothing continues from it. Aquaman was a directly after (and referenced) Justice League and Wonder Woman flat out was following BvS.

BTW you are wrong also because Suicide Squad is still part of it (the new one is a sequel) as is Shazam.

The only ones NOT in it are Batfleck and most likely Cav-El.

It was a cute attempt though keep trying

are u kidding me? Batman is being rebooted, Wonder Woman retcons the JL movie and suicide squad is a soft reboot. Not to mention cast members not returning. Proven wrong how? If the damn actors aren’t coming back and things are being rebooted than they are straying from the course.

it doesn’t take a rocket scientist to see that the new Dc movies from here on out are self contained. Wow. Lmao.
Everything is self contained now. The universe they tried to build before is gone. It’s basically being softly rebooted. Leto ain’t even joker anymore.
How can they carry on if most of the cast will be gone?
Says it right
'The Suicide Squad' Producer Calls James Gunn's Film a "Total Reboot"

 

[Kane52630]

all these white tourist bout to get robbed in the bronx LOL

 

[The Joker]

Says it right
'The Suicide Squad' Producer Calls James Gunn's Film a "Total Reboot"

A total reboot. So we can say Letoker doesn't even exist now?