Joker "The Joker" in development with Todd Phillips and Martin Scorsese attached? - Part 2

[Hollis Mason]

I jumped around a bit on the script leak, but never fully committed. Can you clarify one thing for me; is there a point where Joker’s voice is described as “shifting” after his transformation?

I’m curious if there was any effort on the script level to delineate between the Arthur and Joker personas. From what I’ve seen/heard, it seems like Joaquin is only going to be using one voice, which is a bit of a disappointment.

I don't think there is something like that in the script. But i like your idea. I hope they added something like that in the final cut.

 

[The Shape]

Seems obvious that the film will show Fleck gradually descending into madness and "transforming" into this other persona as the film stretches on. But it won't be like a switch is flipped and he suddenly talks and acts different.

 

[metaphysician]

Well, i think you must be crazy if you want to kill someone that has done nothing to you. Read this article. Dude has done some messed up ****.
The Worst Things Lex Luthor Has Ever Done

This. . . really doesn't prove your point. Establishing that Lex Luthor is an evil man who has done evil things says nothing about his sanity. Evil does not require insanity, it just requires an unwillingness to engage in right-action.

 

[Hollis Mason]

This. . . really doesn't prove your point. Establishing that Lex Luthor is an evil man who has done evil things says nothing about his sanity. Evil does not require insanity, it just requires an unwillingness to engage in right-action.

Agree to disagree. I really don't want to keep discussing this here. Everyone has an opinion in that topic: if evil by default means a mental issue. It's something i used to discuss with my friends and teachers in the university. If you want to keep discussing this i invite you to message me. I don't want to get too much off topic.

 

[Hollis Mason]

Just saw some Oscar prediction sites putting Joker as a contender for Best Picture, Best Director, Best actor...
Man, they are really making me feel more hype and i don't know how that's possible.

 

[lime]

I am a realist. Based on the trailer, the film looks amazing and Phoenix performance looks masterful, but knowning the Oscars...

 

[Orb]

World Premiere confirmed for August 31st 7pm GMT at Venice.

 

[Gothamsknight]

World Premiere confirmed for August 31st 7pm GMT at Venice.

Not so long now!

 

[Hollis Mason]

Jesus, Twitter is angry because according to them the "Hero" is a mass murdering incel. No joke, just read a tweet that said that. The movie isn't even out yet and a lot of people are angry at the script and calling it garbage... not because it's bad, but because the main character - who is one of the most infamous villains in fiction - behaves horribly and does terrible things. I seriously can't believe this.

 

[Gothamsknight]

Im starting to wonder if the people complaining even understand who the Joker is supposed to be

 

[JimThompson]

Jesus, Twitter is angry because according to them the "Hero" is a mass murdering incel. No joke, just read a tweet that said that. The movie isn't even out yet and a lot of people are angry at the script and calling it garbage... not because it's bad, but because the main character - who is one of the most infamous villains in fiction - behaves horribly and does terrible things. I seriously can't believe this.

In today's environment I do not find this surprising.

 

[Hollis Mason]

Can't believe this. But the answers are so fun to read.

 

[Kane52630]

Ah, another one of these people who think reading a leak script means you know everything.

 

[Hollis Mason]

Ah, another one of these people who think reading a leak script means you know everything.

Exactly. Acting, cinematography, editing, etc. A movie is a mix of all those things.

The problem is this guys are angry not because the script is bad, but because the main character is evil.

 

[Kane52630]

The Joker... a bad guy?

 

[Enriquespy]

I guess they fear that giving the protagonism to the bad guy will "glorify" him.

Which is a bit valid.

After all, charming bad guys of film have been idolised and imitated before.

 

[Hollis Mason]

I wonder what these guy would think about A Clockwork Orange, The Godfather, Goodfellas, Pulp Fiction, Taxi Driver, Fight Club, Amadeus, American Psycho etc.

 

[Invader Joker]

I guess they fear that giving the protagonism to the bad guy will "glorify" him.

Which is a bit valid.

After all, charming bad guys of film have been idolised and imitated before.

By morons that are *******s regardless of whether they see this film or not. Who cares what morons think?

 

[Enriquespy]

By morons that are *******s regardless of whether they see this film or not. Who cares what morons think?

I'd guess the worst scenario would be for the morons to copycat some of Jokers crimes, but given what's been on the news lately, I think they don't need inspiration to be awful anyway.

 

[Travesty]

I'd guess the worst scenario would be for the morons to copycat some of Jokers crimes, but given what's been on the news lately, I think they don't need inspiration to be awful anyway.

The guy who shot up the theater for TDKR, said he was inspired by The Joker.

 

[Invader Joker]

The guy who shot up the theater for TDKR, said he was inspired by The Joker.

Excuses. Anyone that's capable of doing something like that would've done it anyway movie or not.

 

[Gothamsknight]

Can't believe this. But the answers are so fun to read.

Wow, these people really don't get it at all

 

[The Guard]

The Joker, as a villain, has been "glorified" for a long, long time, though, hasn't he?

 

[Boom]

The Joker, as a villain, has been "glorified" for a long, long time, though, hasn't he?

Yep. 80 years of it.

But let's pretend to be shocked and outraged now.

 

[Hollis Mason]

Wow, that old article with Phoenix says Scorsese actually loved the script. Didn't read that part before.