Joker "The Joker" in development with Todd Phillips and Martin Scorsese attached? - Part 2

[dhandler01]

If you just dont look at RT it wont matter as much. You are feeding the beast...

This is the clickbait phenomenon. They post something controversial, people click on it so they can be mad it is controversial, reviewer gets what he wants. It isnt random...he did it for a very specific reason and it has little to do with his feelings on the film and everything to do with getting people to read and react to it exactly how they are. RT makes it all too easy for this to happen.

How many times have you all opened RT in the past week? how many times have you refreshed? RT is making bank off this and they HOPE more reviewers make illogical moves. Hell RT on its face makes almost zero sense anymore but people are obsessed with it.

 

[Predator jp]

somehow people have lost the ability to just say f-ck it and walk away.

 

[Rocanrol]

Man I can’t believe the amount of time you people are arguing about RT and MC. Quantitative reviews are a sham, totally subjective and greatly depending on general expectations and audience hooking.

There’s no objectivity on art, only opinion.

I think it would be even better start to argue again if this is a real Joker movie or not. Or anything else on that matter, idc.

 

[mddbatman]

If you just dont look at RT it wont matter as much. You are feeding the beast...

This is the clickbait phenomenon. They post something controversial, people click on it so they can be mad it is controversial, reviewer gets what he wants. It isnt random...he did it for a very specific reason and it has little to do with his feelings on the film and everything to do with getting people to read and react to it exactly how they are. RT makes it all too easy for this to happen.

How many times have you all opened RT in the past week? how many times have you refreshed? RT is making bank off this and they HOPE more reviewers make illogical moves. Hell RT on its face makes almost zero sense anymore but people are obsessed with it.

I agree, now I'm going to have a few beer's and watch "I'm Still Here" and laugh my arse off, relax people, forget about Rotten Tomatoes scores and enjoy your day or night x.

 

[Hollis Mason]

Well, changing topic, next film i would like to see in the "DC Black" label would be Luthor film or a full horror DC film. A Constantine film would be awesome.

 

[Schlosser85]

Joaquin Phoenix walked out of an interview today when asked if he thinks the movie glorifies violence.

 

[Rocanrol]

Great answer to a stupid question.

 

[Arachnerd]

I have a feeling he might get similar questions asked more than once, but good on him for walking out of that one.

 

[Pennywise]

Todd Phillips denies "Joker" sequel plans: "We always pitched it as one movie"

“We have no plans for a sequel,” Phillips said bluntly. “The quote was, ‘I will do anything Joaquin wants to do.’ And I would. But the movie’s not set up to [have] a sequel. We always pitched it as one movie, and that’s it.”

 

[howdoesbaneeat]

Anyone have ideas for other solo movies with this tone from DC, (authentically) dark and gritty?

Wondering any characters or directors who could actually pull it off with a degree of popularity and prestige this one has?

Directors coming to mind are Darren Aaronofsky and Luca Guadagnino. Both ultra talented and have expressed interest in the past for superhero movies with the condition of creative control.

Could see Aaronofsky doing Poison Ivy.

I don't want to see 'dark and gritty' become a thing just because it worked with Joker. Takes a talented crew, actors, passion. Wondering what other ideas you guys come up with.

 

[Deck Rickard]

Do you guys not know how RT works?

It’s like every DC movie it has to be explained here. Bizarre.

Fixed.

 

[TMP98]

I have a feeling he might get similar questions asked more than once, but good on him for walking out of that one.

He starts shooting a film for A24 this fall, so he’s probably not gonna have that many more questions to answer

 

[Hollis Mason]

Anyone have ideas for other solo movies with this tone from DC, (authentically) dark and gritty?

Wondering any characters or directors who could actually pull it off with a degree of popularity and prestige this one has?

Directors coming to mind are Darren Aaronofsky and Luca Guadagnino. Both ultra talented and have expressed interest in the past for superhero movies with the condition of creative control.

Could see Aaronofsky doing Poison Ivy.

I don't want to see 'dark and gritty' become a thing just because it worked with Joker. Takes a talented crew, actors, passion. Wondering what other ideas you guys come up with.

A Superman movie funny and charming would be incredible. But sadly we aren't getting that for now. I would like Edgar Wright to direct.

I understand why "dark and gritty" could become something annoying if overused, but right now, i'm excited to see them make more movies like that. Just for characters that need that style, of course. That's how DC could be different from Marvel. They would be a lot more diverse. We will never get a movie like Joker from Marvel, unless Feige allows Blade to be rated R, which i doubt.

 

[The Shape]

Joaquin Phoenix walked out of an interview today when asked if he thinks the movie glorifies violence.

Good.

 

[TMP98]

Anyone have ideas for other solo movies with this tone from DC, (authentically) dark and gritty?

Wondering any characters or directors who could actually pull it off with a degree of popularity and prestige this one has?

Directors coming to mind are Darren Aaronofsky and Luca Guadagnino. Both ultra talented and have expressed interest in the past for superhero movies with the condition of creative control.

Could see Aaronofsky doing Poison Ivy.

I don't want to see 'dark and gritty' become a thing just because it worked with Joker. Takes a talented crew, actors, passion. Wondering what other ideas you guys come up with.

Great call on Guadagnino. That guy could make a pretty incredible Spider-Man movie thinking about it... it’d be closer to something like Spider-Man Blue though

 

[Saitou Hajime]

Joaquin Phoenix walked out of an interview today when asked if he thinks the movie glorifies violence.

That's not what he was asked. The question was if he thinks "certain scenes or moments might end up perversely inspiring the kind of people it's about, with potentially tragic consequences".

 

[terry78]

Well that's layman's terms for kinda the same. At any rate, I think he kinda did a preemptive strike there because he knows that's all he's gonna be asked about in interviews till the thing comes out.

 

[dhandler01]

Joaquin Phoenix walked out of an interview today when asked if he thinks the movie glorifies violence.

Good. It is a stupid question and the interviewer knew it. That is like asking if Taxi Driver or Silence of the Lambs glorify violence and killing. No they dont. The interviewer was already going to say it was anyways...

And the way the interviewer asked it was trying to hide the fact that he was accusing the film of doing just that.

 

[Yowza]

Still, news headlines start going out when an interview walk out. You have to be prepared to defend socially trending criticism as that's the only way to ward off Rotten Tomatoes bias as now more critics will just try to jump on a divisive talking point on one side of the fence or another.

Best to just sit there and deflect the question with a boring answer and move on. I do sympathize with the urge to simply sarcastically thank the interviewer for their contextualization and walk out even though it does result in headlines that may lower the rotten tomatoes score but oh well.

 

[MovieSlave]

At least he came back and finished it. Said he went to ask a PR person what to do. Also came across this one. Sorry if already posted.

‘Joker’ Wouldn't Have Happened Without Joaquin Phoenix Finding the Perfect Laugh

 

[Pennywise]

Joker Director Reveals He's Discussed Sequel Ideas with Joaquin Phoenix

“Well, I don’t think we’re gonna make a second one. That’s just not in our plans,” Phillips told Jake Hamilton. “But for fun, have me and Joaquin bounced around ideas? We were doing it when we were shooting, because that’s what you do sometimes.”

 

[TheFuture]

Do you guys not know how RT works?

It’s like every movie it has to be explained here. Bizarre.

I know how RT works. Too bad some of these critics can't properly rate a film. If someone ultimately wants to reject a film that's fine but even you, despite your bullishness on the subject, must agree rating a bad film 7/10 is just being thick on the critic's behalf. Either that or lazy. Take your pick.

Just reinforces my feeling that a lot of these critics are just glorified bloggers.

 

[Captain Tired]

I'm actually disappointed it hasn't gotten an obscenely terrible critic's score over at Rotten Tomatoes. Because all that would tell me is that this must be a pretty good movie. I don't really care what the critics think, and I'm honestly surprise that anyone else here still does. When The Last Jedi got all that untamed praise, it was all over.

 

[Travesty]

I know how RT works. Too bad some of these critics can't properly rate a film. If someone ultimately wants to reject a film that's fine but even you, despite your bullishness on the subject, must agree rating a bad film 7/10 is just being thick on the critic's behalf. Either that or lazy. Take your pick.

Just reinforces my feeling that a lot of these critics are just glorified bloggers.

No, you obviously don't know how RT works.

Go read up on some Toy Story 4 reviews. There's some Rotten reviews that rated it C+. According to you, this should be a Fresh rating, but if you actually do the work of reading the review, and seeing what they actually said about it, you'll realize that their Rotten C+ rating is justified. This ENTIRE discussion was spawned from when Hollis said a reviewer gave the movie a 7/10, but they ultimately complained about it, and said they didn't enjoy it. That sounds like a justifiable Rotten to me.

Are you telling me, there's not one single movie that you know is technically sound and well made, that you wouldn't recommend due to your lack of satisfaction? I know plenty of movies like that.

 

[Greens]

Are you telling me, there's not one single movie that you know is technically sound and well made, that you wouldn't recommend due to your lack of satisfaction? I know plenty of movies like that.

I guess this is personal, but I would never rate a movie I didn't enjoy 7/10. It's ludicrous to me. But I guess this critic does.