Joker "The Joker" in development with Todd Phillips and Martin Scorsese attached? - Part 2

[The Joker]

Keep attacking the film...it just makes the box office greater.

This is the most ludicrous attack against the movie yet.

 

[WhoMani]

Mark Hamill will always have the best Joker laugh in my humble opinion. Yeah, yeah, he’s not live action, but it just is the Joker. He’s still what I hear when I read a comic.

I still need to see Phoenix, but until I do, Ledger is my number 1.

Honestly you gotta see this movie, I think you will appreciate Phoenix's performance in this. Ledger is still my number one but Phoenix was brilliant in this and you can tell that he gave it his all for this role.

 

[WhoMani]

Keep attacking the film...it just makes the box office greater.

I wouldn't have checked out this movie if there hadn't been any ridiculous backlash such as this Seriously this is just someone being woke just for the sake of it.

 

[MovieSlave]

I'm seriously starting to think some of them are actually mad that the movie hasn't caused a bunch of mass shootings.

That's exactly it though.

The media pretty much wants a shooting to happen so they can write up another think piece and get ratings and or clicks on their site. It's disgusting.

A friend sent me this meme a day or two ago. Sums it up perfectly.

 

[MovieSlave]

Also, that tweet from Time...ridiculous. Getting tired of how much they are pushing this woke thing. Grasping at straws on that one.

 

[geosphere]

Also, that tweet from Time...ridiculous. Getting tired of how much they are pushing this woke thing. Grasping at straws on that one.

Just to be clear black people and/or the average person in general(who just so happen to have leftwing leanings) are not doing this! This is the media and corporate elites. They are doing this because in a lot of ways this movie is an indictment on the 1 percent and the corruption in the US system. Most of us can see this. That is why the media frenzy is not working(And might actually be helping). Remember we have far-leftist politicians who talk about the 1 percent and corporate corruption and the media does the same thing to them(Bernie Sanders imparticular).

 

[MovieSlave]

Just to be clear black people and/or the average person in general(who just so happen to have leftwing leanings) are not doing this! This is the media and corporate elites. They are doing this because in a lot of ways this movie is an indictment on the 1 percent and the corruption in the US system. Most of us can see this, that is why the media frenzy is not working(And might actually be helping). Remember we have far-leftist politicians who talk about the 1 percent and corporate corruption and the media does the same thing to them(Bernie Sanders imparticular).

Oh I know it's the media. Stirring up s*** basically.

 

[Arachnerd]

They're scraping the bottom of the barrel to tear down this film so bad, it's hilarious. I'm so glad the movie is doing well financially and with general audiences because that's just karma at work.

 

[Travesty]

Also, that tweet from Time...ridiculous. Getting tired of how much they are pushing this woke thing. Grasping at straws on that one.

The NYT article about how the movie is about "whiteness" or "white supremacy" is pretty funny. Sounds like it was written by Brie Larson.

Still, what struck me most is that what the film wants to say — about mental illness or class divisions in American society — is not as interesting as what it accidentally says about whiteness. For it is essentially a depiction of what happens when white supremacy is left unchecked. It shows the delusions that many white men have about their place in society and the brutality that can result when that place is denied.

The fact that the Joker is a white man is central to the film’s plot. A black man in Gotham City (really, New York) in 1981 suffering from the same mysterious mental illnesses as Fleck would be homeless and invisible. He wouldn’t be turned into a public figure who could incite an entire city to rise up against the wealthy. Black men dealing with Fleck’s conditions are often cast aside by society, ending up on the streets or in jail, as studies have shown.

And though Fleck says he often feels invisible, had he been black, he truly would have been — except, of course, when he came into contact with the police. They’d be sure to see him.......Whiteness may not have been on the filmmakers’ minds when they made “Joker,” but it is the hidden accomplice that fosters the violence onscreen.

 

[geosphere]

The NYT article about how the movie is about "whiteness" or "white supremacy" is pretty funny. Sounds like it was written by Brie Larson.

It's really annoying when the media hijacks issues that affect Black people and/or other marginalized groups to push their own corporate agendas(like I said they do this same crap with Bernie Sanders too). It underminds the true plight that those groups have to deal with and that's more disturbing than the movie could have ever been! that excerpt is so offensive to think that they can weaponize the plight of black and marginalized people with their whitesplaination. The majority of black people would side-eye the f@#k out of that article. And if you look at what made up the audience in attendance of this film, Black people are a high percentage of it!

 

[TheGuy]

My personal rankings for best laughs:
1. Ledger
2. Phoenix
3. Romero
4. Monaghan
5. Nicholson
6. Leto

 

[Hollis Mason]

It's amazing how the media turns a movie talking about the suffering of mental ill people into a white supremacist movement just because the main character happens to be a male and white. It shouldn't even matter that fact.

 

[Gee]

I reckon I'll get the Best Buy exclusive steelbook.

 

[DA_Champion]

A left-wing writer praises Joker.

Neoliberalism Is the True Villain of ‘Joker’

 

[ironwez20]

Jeez I don’t understand the anger this film gets from people and why they need to just say it’ll turn you into a psycho. How many horror movies are out there where we watch them rampage through teens like it’s nothing. But this movie will suddenly cause an uprising making anyone who see’s it? Please

 

[Doc Samson]

The majority of black people would side-eye the f@#k out of that article. And if you look at what made up the audience in attendance of this film, Black people are a high percentage of it!

I'm black and indeed, that is ridiculous.

Jeez I don’t understand the anger this film gets from people and why they need to just say it’ll turn you into a psycho. How many horror movies are out there where we watch them rampage through teens like it’s nothing. But this movie will suddenly cause an uprising making anyone who see’s it? Please

I feel the underlying cause for concern with this movie, is somewhat legit. But quickly, it's spiraling out of control and being weaponized for unnecessary reasons. Like most things today.

Leaving the movie, tbh, I did get the concern. You have a mentally ill person (which they never specify what, exactly, his issues are. I suspect to keep the film ambiguous. If he's schizophrenic for instance, that makes the whole "I'm making this story up" angle much easier to nail down) who only finds a voice and adulation through violence. The only sense of respect and dignity he experiences, is after receiving a gun.

And it's not cartoony violence, or balletic choreography like Wick/Deadpool, or slashers with almost immortal characters like Jason or Myers. It's depicted in a way as to appear realistic. And the person committing these acts has similar traits to some of the people who've done these things, or who might in the future.

Arthur has certain desires, like stand up comedy, that he feels unrealistically entitled to. You're made to feel empathy, though some of his actions, like stalking Sophie, should rightfully make him an outcast, not sympathetic. He's a character that, even if things were going right for him, you feel a sense that he would still make people uncomfortable because he doesn't know how to handle relationships. For the well adjusted of course its just entertainment. For the small segment of people who may act out regardless of this movie, well...it certainly doesn't help. Nor should it, I'm only saying having some concerns about it aren't completely unjustified...

 

[Predator jp]

this woke or SJW thing has become more and more like modern day fascism.

 

[The Overlord]

this woke or SJW thing has become more and more like modern day fascism.

There are different ''woke'' takes one can have about this film though, like say this one:

Joker isn’t an ode to the far right – it’s a warning against austerity | Micah Uetricht

 

[fan4stic]

The NYT article about how the movie is about "whiteness" or "white supremacy" is pretty funny. Sounds like it was written by Brie Larson.

Do some think that no black person has ever been publicly visible before 1990? Ever arguably, to some, incited a group of people into an arguable, to some, riot? Why?

 

[ironwez20]

They just wanna tell us how we feel and say we should be outraged by different things when in reality we could care less about the things they tell us to be mad about. We already know the issues we need to deal with

 

[spider-neil]

To be honest, I think the (relatively) low critic Rotten Tomatoes score is more down to Joker being derivative of Taxi Driver and King of Comedy rather than an agenda.
Dare I say with regards to the high audience Rotten Tomatoes, it's entirely possible a lot of the general audience haven't seen those movies and so Joker would be new and fresh.

I personally think Joker is an incredible movie and should win Best Picture and best lead actor but I was thinking about Martin Scorsese the entire time I was watching the movie. I knew absolutely nothing about this movie going in and I didn't even know who was directing and I thought it WAS Martin Scorsese directing and was surprised when I director I've never heard of (didn't watch any of the Hangover movies) came up in the credits.

 

[BatLand]

A left-wing writer praises Joker.

Neoliberalism Is the True Villain of ‘Joker’

Man, I this is some 1910's Russia s*** over there.

While the film is set in the past, the class-based uprising it depicts is an optimistic glimpse into a future in which the invisible and marginalized rise up and take to the streets.

 

[Rodimus]

To be honest, I think the (relatively) low critic Rotten Tomatoes score is more down to Joker being derivative of Taxi Driver and King of Comedy rather than an agenda.
Dare I say with regards to the high audience Rotten Tomatoes, it's entirely possible a lot of the general audience haven't seen those movies and so Joker would be new and fresh.

I personally think Joker is an incredible movie and should win Best Picture and best lead actor but I was thinking about Martin Scorsese the entire time I was watching the movie. I knew absolutely nothing about this movie going in and I didn't even know who was directing and I thought it WAS Martin Scorsese directing and was surprised when I director I've never heard of (didn't watch any of the Hangover movies) came up in the credits.

I'm fairly sure the agenda is very clear, certainly in the states.

 

[geosphere]

To be honest, I think the (relatively) low critic Rotten Tomatoes score is more down to Joker being derivative of Taxi Driver and King of Comedy rather than an agenda.
Dare I say with regards to the high audience Rotten Tomatoes, it's entirely possible a lot of the general audience haven't seen those movies and so Joker would be new and fresh.

I personally think Joker is an incredible movie and should win Best Picture and best lead actor but I was thinking about Martin Scorsese the entire time I was watching the movie. I knew absolutely nothing about this movie going in and I didn't even know who was directing and I thought it WAS Martin Scorsese directing and was surprised when I director I've never heard of (didn't watch any of the Hangover movies) came up in the credits.

The problem with them making that argument is that films that have received high scores on rotten tomatoes like "The Shape of Water"(92%) among many others are also quite derivative if not more so than Joker. The Shape of Water went on to win Best Picture even though it is a complete rip off of Splash. I MEAN ITS LITERALLY THE SAME FILM! That is not an over-exaggeration!

At least Martin Scorsese had a hand in the development of Joker.

 

[geosphere]

A left-wing writer praises Joker.

Neoliberalism Is the True Villain of ‘Joker’

This is what I am talking about! Don't blame all of us on the left! This is corporatism trying to use left-wing movements as a guise to push their OWN agenda! Just like I was saying earlier and just like Micah Uetricht wrote in the article that @The Overlord shared a few posts earlier, this movie is an indictment on the corporate media and the wealthy elite. It is a film with a truly far-left message and that is the REAL issue the media has with this film, it is criticizing them where they live! Notice how much audiences have embraced this film regardless of the media frenzy. That is undeniable at this point. And the audience for this film is very diverse! Very few if any are coming out of the movie thinking any of the things that have been projected by the elite class. Luckily there are plenty of people on the left like Michael Moore, Beto, Leslie Lee(and there are a lot more than whom we have mentioned here) that are speaking out against them.