Joker "The Joker" in development with Todd Phillips and Martin Scorsese attached? - Part 2

[geosphere]

Apparently Beirut is Gotham City irl
Same in Chile
Seems like people are already using the mask/facepaint as a symbol of protest against corruption, which is... i don't know. Some people at Barcelona were using the mask in a protest, too. Saw some photos in Twitter.

I personally don't think the film potrays the protests as something good but just as an excuse people use to do chaos and destruction. But to each their own.

I just hope the media doesn't blame the movie for what a few people do (I know they will totally do it).

I think the political unrest happening in those countries are a little bit bigger(and older) than the joker movie. ...Just saying.

 

[Hollis Mason]

I think the political unrest happening in those countries are a little bit bigger(and older) than the joker movie. ...Just saying.

Yeah, but believe it ot not, some people already used it as an excuse to blame the movie. Look at twitter. It's just amazing how desesperate some people are to find reasons to hate this film. Typical bluecheck idiocy.

Anyways, changing topic, i really hope the success of this film makesWB at least make another villain movie about Luthor. Even if it's just one movie.

 

[Flint Marko]

Would be really interesting to hear your thoughts on it, I find you to be generally negative but always fair with your points and back them up so I've taken to giving them some value even when I disagree.

Do yourself a favour and see it in the cinema though if times permits, it's definitely worth it.

I appreciate it, I'll let you know soon as I see it

Also FWIW I've become a lot more positive since 2017, DC is 3/3 for me on movies not directed by Snyder and Joker looks to continue that trend.

 

[BaelaTargaryen]

The media's Joker panic was all ginned-up nonsense

 

[Deck Rickard]

He wasn't very good in Blade Runner 2049 either (and there were additional stories of him staggering around "blind" on set to be "method"). I feel like his Oscar win (which wasn't unwarranted) inflated his ego and pretentiousness even further and his subsequent performances have suffered as a result.

I liked him in Blade Runner but yeah, I remember hearing those stories, lol. As for his Oscar win... I remember being happy about it at the time but then I kinda woke up and realized that cisgender actors shouldn't be playing trans characters in movies. Given that trans actors have a hard enough time landing ANY role, they should at the very least be able to play trans characters. I guess one could argue that Leto's character in that movie may have not actually been trans and was gender nonconforming or even cisgender and just very feminine, but the character was fictional and I don't think anything would have been lost by casting an actual trans actor in the role.

 

[Deck Rickard]

For me, the biggest revealing thing about Arthur just not being a very good human being, besides his self-pitying tirade that Murray calls him out on, is the fact that all of his happiest and most giddy moments are after he's just brutally murdered someone. The first two dudebros on the subway you could argue were self-defense, but the third one he hunts him down and puts him down like a wounded animal. After being in shock for like, thirty seconds, he starts dancing, then goes marching more confidently than ever down the hall and bangs Zazie Beetz (in his fantasies, anyway). Later, he murders Randall like a total savage, and then gets all dressed up and goes dancing down the steps being the most carefree we've seen him the whole movie. He's all delighted with himself immediately after shooting Murray, and even more gleeful riding in the back of the police car watching the riots and the city burning. Causing death and destruction is the thing that finally makes him happy. He's a worse person than Walter White (IMO).

It's probably already been discussed here,

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but do you think he murdered Zazie's character? I hope not, but I wonder if he did and they just chose not to show it. It's implied at the end that he might have murdered the psychiatrist and this wasn't show either. I wonder if he did kill both women but they simply didn't show it because they were wary of people saying that the movie glories violence against women or whatever. We do see him kill his mother but that feel a bit more justified because she allowed him to be abused for years.

 

[Arachnerd]

The thing that stops me from completely believing that is

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how he chose to spare the dwarf for being nice to him instead of just killing him outright. Throughout the movie, Arthur only kills people he thinks have wronged him, so it wouldn't make much sense for him to kill Zazie's character.

Plus, didn't she have a scene in the original script where she saw Arthur on Murray's show feeling horrified by his actions?

 

[Deck Rickard]

The thing that stops me from completely believing that is

Spoiler

how he chose to spare the dwarf for being nice to him instead of just killing him outright. Throughout the movie, Arthur only kills people he thinks have wronged him, so it wouldn't make much sense for him to kill Zazie's character.

Plus, didn't she have a scene in the original script where she saw Arthur on Murray's show feeling horrified by his actions?

That's a good point; though if he did

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kill the psychiatrist at the end, as is implied,

then he's operating outside his code. I didn't read the original script so I'm not sure about that; I just read a summary of it and I don't remember that being mentioned.

 

[Micromind]

The scene where

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He kills the psychiatrist at the end is supposed to show that he has fully transformed into Joker, who has zero empathy for others.

Arthur Fleck was not like that in the beginning of the movie or when he let go that Gary the midget, and I don't think he killed Zazie's character, the police sirens outside the window were just a misdirection as Gotham was also slowly becoming more and more lawless City.

I also don't think everything we saw in the movie was in Arthur's head (in his imagination), I think many incidents really happened, Arthur just adds something here and there to those incidents, so some parts might be false memories but not all.

 

[TheSmoothKnight]

 

[Detective Conan]

"You've Got to Stop This": Jared Leto Fumed Over New 'Joker' Movie

 

[Pennywise]

Boo hoo!

 

[Arachnerd]

"You've Got to Stop This": Jared Leto Fumed Over New 'Joker' Movie

 

[Pennywise]

Box Office: ‘Joker’ Nears $700 Million As It Passes ‘Justice League’ And ‘Logan’

 

[The Joker]

"You've Got to Stop This": Jared Leto Fumed Over New 'Joker' Movie

At this point, sources say Leto’s days as the Joker likely are over. He will not reprise the role for Warners' upcoming DC movies Birds of Prey (a spinoff centered on Robbie's Harley Quinn) or in James Gunn's The Suicide Squad, due out in 2021. Says one person involved in the situation: "How do you play the Joker you established following [Phoenix]? It kind of ends his Joker run.”

 

[BaelaTargaryen]

 

[WhoMani]

"You've Got to Stop This": Jared Leto Fumed Over New 'Joker' Movie

I wouldn't be surprised as Leto does come across as someone who takes himself way too seriously and Phoenix is getting a lot of love for his performance while the response to Leto's Joker has been underwhelming which probably hurt his ego.

Leto is probably thinking he took the role at the wrong time, as he came a few years after Ledger's award winning performance as the Joker and inevitably people would have compared his Joker to Ledger's Joker, while Phoenix's performance has been received very well by fans/critics (it's likely that Phoenix will receive loads of award nominations). It's probably for the best that he moves on.

 

[Arachnerd]

There's this guy on one of my Discord servers who is unironically defending Leto and saying WB is the villain here for "screwing him" over.

 

[Pfeiffer-Pfan]

I believe every word of that Jared Leto article.

Didn't he get paid $7 million for his performance in Suicide Squad? You win some, you lose some, Jared.

 

[OutOfBoose]

Didn't he get paid $7 million for his performance in Suicide Squad? You win some, you lose some, Jared.

Jesus... Money well spent.

 

[WhoMani]

I'm not surprised that WB wouldn't greenlit a standalone Joker movie starring Leto. He did terrified and annoyed his castmates while being in character during the making of Suicide Squad which made him out to be difficult to work with. Also the poor reception to Leto's Joker made the decision even more easy for WB.

 

[Boom]

Under different circumstances, Leto would have made a very good Joker. But that didn't happen, and there's simply no going back now. Chalk this up to wasted potential and move along.

 

[-JKR-]

I don't like Leto as a person, but think he is a talented actor and loved many of his performances .

His Joker was... not good. He could've been good. But he should've been reigned in. He probably played himself in Suicide Squad.

 

[TMP98]

Didn't he get paid $7 million for his performance in Suicide Squad? You win some, you lose some, Jared.

wtf. Phoenix got paid $4.5m, and he was in every frame of the film, lost 52lbs for the role, and is a more respected actor than Leto was when he was cast

 

[Predator jp]

to be fair so many people were against this movie just like Leto.