Arrow The League of Assassins Thread

[godisawesome]

So Merlin was officially badass enough and determined enough to get Ra's Al Ghul to release him, and Ra's apparently disapproves of the Undertaking at least in part thanks to its civilian death toll.

Also, Nyssa is clearly a reverse-Talia in this show, rather than a potential Ra's replacement. Loud and sincerely honest, as compared to Talia's now duplicitous and sneaky nature. Even Nyssa's self proclamation as heir to Ra's comes off as a clear contrast to Talia's traditionally humble role as her father's daughter.

And anybody else dig the black cloth ladders they had the Assassins use in this episode? It's a nice stylistic touch.

 

[Herolee10]

I'm not sure if she was just putting up an act or if it was really coming from her, but I also noticed on how she gave a nice smile to the small boy at the airport.

Maybe I'm just looking too far into things, but I feel like when you add what Moira said about Ra's code of ethics and that little look from Nyssa, that this LOA must have some rule that prohibits them from killing people that they don't deem guilty and that they don't look at every being as someone that needs to be killed.

 

[DrRocket]

^ probably, glad their different from the nolans movies

 

[Silver Surfer]

Anyone else think that Ollie has had runnings with the League prior to Sara's arrival? When she explains her affiliation with the league, Ollie didn't seem clueless like Felicity about who they were. And in last week's episode he said that he had heard a lot about Ra's. Any chance he ran into one of them on the Island? maybe the guy who finishes Ollie's training?

 

[Loki882]

I took the smile as being genuine. It seems pretty clear to me that Nyssa is extremely ruthless and has no trouble killing people. However, she doesn't seem to be a complete monster. She doesn't seem like the kind of person who would just kill anyone, only her targets or those who get in her way. Heck, I'm not even sure if she killed those airport guards, or just beat the crap out of them. Also, her expression when she sees Sara with her family, and her letting Sara go seem to back up my reading of her character. I am kind of annoyed that Oliver was able to overpower her by himself. He had to stab HIMSELF in a last ditch effort to defeat Malcolm, and Malcolm isn't Ra's #2, Nyssa is. If it had been Oliver AND Sara overpowering her together, then it would have worked better.

 

[regnak]

Sara should have gone with Nyssa, she would be much better for her than Oliver.

 

[Herolee10]

I took the smile as being genuine. It seems pretty clear to me that Nyssa is extremely ruthless and has no trouble killing people. However, she doesn't seem to be a complete monster. She doesn't seem like the kind of person who would just kill anyone, only her targets or those who get in her way. Heck, I'm not even sure if she killed those airport guards, or just beat the crap out of them. Also, her expression when she sees Sara with her family, and her letting Sara go seem to back up my reading of her character. I am kind of annoyed that Oliver was able to overpower her by himself. He had to stab HIMSELF in a last ditch effort to defeat Malcolm, and Malcolm isn't Ra's #2, Nyssa is. If it had been Oliver AND Sara overpowering her together, then it would have worked better.

Some have suggested that since Nyssa's head wasn't fully in the game, due to her thoughts about Sara potentially dying, it prevented her from fighting at her best and hence why she lost.

 

[Hunter Rider]

Given the way things went down I wonder iof the LOA are going on the back burner for now and the remainder of the season will focus on Deathstroke and Blood.

I have no issues with Ollie beating Nyssa, he's the hero of the show, he should overcome.

 

[Shikamaru]

I have no issue with him being Nyssa either. Plus, there are several things to take into account:

1) Nyssa was grieving over Sara. She wasn't at her best.
2) He has gotten better/more heroic since Season 1, which is why he couldn't originally beat Malcolm but can now beat Nyssa.
3) Malcolm is much older than Nyssa and can thus have more experience. We know he left Starling when Tommy was like 5 - 10. That means around 17 - 22 years have passed. Nyssa could be closer to Oliver's age (late 20's).

 

[Herolee10]

Honestly, if Oliver was to go up against the likes of Ra's or even Batman in a one on one fight, I expect for the same results to happen to Oliver like when he had first confronted Malcom in his office and got his ass handed to him.

 

[Loki882]

I have issues with him beating Nyssa because it doesn't fit the situation. Him being the hero doesn't mean that he should be able to beat everyone. Batman is the hero in TDKR, but he still got his ass kicked by Bane the first time that they fought. Nyssa is Ra's daughter and his second in command. If he's anything like comic book Ra's, then he's been training her since birth. I'm having trouble buying that Malcolm is somehow more skilled than Ra's own daughter and heir. Also, tat LOA guy in episode 5 revealed that HE was the one who trained Malcolm and heavily implied that he was better than Malcolm. That guy wasn't as high-ranking as Nyssa is. Like I said, if it had been Oliver AND Sara beating Nyssa together, than it wouldn't bother me. I just don't buy it at this point. If this were season 4, then maybe, but not now. Also, the argument that Nyssa's head "wasn't in the game" is purely speculative. There's no direct evidence of that in the actual episode, and if that is the case, then Oliver should be affected as well.

 

[Herolee10]

Also, the argument that Nyssa's head "wasn't in the game" is purely speculative. There's no direct evidence of that in the actual episode, and if that is the case, then Oliver should be affected as well.

Hmmm..I'm not so sure about that.

I mean Nyssa obviously looked affected from seeing Sara reunite with her parents and the thought of seeing Sara choose death over being with her (Nyssa) must have been a gut punch to her heart.

Oliver knew he could save Sara if given the chance to feed the medicine to her, but Nyssa must have thought that Sara was a goner by now, so when you add being rejected by someone you love and believing them to be a goner, it could really affect your gameplay imho.

 

[Silver Surfer]

It's also speculative that Nyssa is Ra's #2, Talia's still out there, writers have had discussions to give Ra's a son. Let's not assume things. If anything, I'd say Dark Archer was Ra's right hand man considering he is the only one is the history of the LOA to be released by Ra's. And the ease at which he whupped Ollie the first time gives credence to that. It's also speculative to assume that Nyssa is a better fighter than Malcolm, there is very little info about her in the comics and all of one episode's worth in this series.

 

[mr. peasant]

Hmmm..I'm not so sure about that.

I mean Nyssa obviously looked affected from seeing Sara reunite with her parents and the thought of seeing Sara choose death over being with her (Nyssa) must have been a gut punch to her heart.

Oliver knew he could save Sara if given the chance to feed the medicine to her, but Nyssa must have thought that Sara was a goner by now, so when you add being rejected by someone you love and believing them to be a goner, it could really affect your gameplay imho.

Also, don't forget that Oliver was fighting to save Sara's life. In Fiction Land, having such a strong, personal incentive, namely to rescue a loved one, is a much stronger drive than just blind rage and/or grief.

In other words, if the stakes had been different, Oliver might've lost.

 

[divan]

Besides, Oliver is probably a better fighter than he was in Season 1, considering he had to learn how to fight and defeat opponents that were considerably stronger than him (such as Cyrus Gold, who is also stronger than any normal human).

 

[Hunter Rider]

I just thought, wasn't Nyssa supposed to fight Roy?

 

[Nathan]

They had to cut the scene because of time constraints. The Episode was already running at 42 minutes. Is there ever a chance that deleted scenes will find their way back on a DVD/Blu-ray release? Integrated into the Episode of course, not just as an extra.

 

[Primal Slayer]

I doubt it. They rarely recut episodes to include the deleted footage

 

[Hunter Rider]

They had to cut the scene because of time constraints. The Episode was already running at 42 minutes. Is there ever a chance that deleted scenes will find their way back on a DVD/Blu-ray release? Integrated into the Episode of course, not just as an extra.

I doubt they'll integrate it, I am just curious as to where it was supposed to fit into the episode.

 

[JC00]

I doubt they'll integrate it, I am just curious as to where it was supposed to fit into the episode.

Oliver told him to go to the hospital and keep an eye on Laurel and Dinah. That's where Dinah was kidnapped from.

 

[Infinity9999x]

I've really been enjoying how they're handling the LOA on this show, but honestly I can't watch an episode with them without thinking "They better reference Batman at some point." And if they have Ra's appear on this show, then Batman should appear on this show.

It would just seem wrong to have Ra's appear on Arrow and not have Batman there, or at the VERY least, Nightwing (though it should still be Bats). Ra's is equivalent to the Dr. Octopus of Spider-man, or the Zod to Superman. He's not the number one baddie to Bats (we all know who that is) but he's arguably his second biggest nemesis. Batman should be involved in some way if Ra's makes an appearance.

 

[Llama_Shepherd]

Batman probably doesn't exist.

 

[Shikamaru]

The writers said they want to use Batman and Nightwing at one point, so he at leasts in this universe in the minds of the writers. If he doesn't exist though, I think doing Ra's and making him a big Green Arrow bad make the show (and the character by extension) feel like a proxy for Batman.

 

[gugumugats]

I actually like what Jeff Lemire is doing with the New 52 Green Arrow by modifying the Outsiders to be an ancient secret society akin to the League of Assassins.

It's a shame Lemire had only gotten onto the title only until after they incorporated the League of Assassins on the show.

 

[Boy Scout]

The writers said they want to use Batman and Nightwing at one point, so he at leasts in this universe in the minds of the writers. If he doesn't exist though, I think doing Ra's and making him a big Green Arrow bad make the show (and the character by extension) feel like a proxy for Batman.

Assuming they never get around to introducing Nightwing, I think it would be pretty cool if it were implied that Bruce was currently being trained by the League.