Inhumans The Lockjaw Thread

[psylockolussus]

Yay! Can't wait to see the finished version!

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Glad they have included him, hope the CGI for him is a decent standard.

 

[eon001]

I'm a little disappointed there not using puppetry for close ups at least. CGI ages. Puppetry is pretty timeless. Labyrinth still looks awesome to me.

Gollum from LOTR is starting to look like a PS3 cut scene. :P

 

[Lilbaz]

I hope they don't go with "Lockjaw was a normal 'human' Inhuman whose terrigen experience transformed him into a dog" theory some Marvel writer (John Byrne?) flirted with years ago. Just make him a big lovable superpowered dog. People love dogs.

How do you explain where he comes from? Are there a whole race/breed of lockjaws?

I don't mind if he was an inhuman. Makes his story that little bit tragic and shows that the effects of the terrigen can be bad.

 

[Mike Murdock]

I hope they don't go with "Lockjaw was a normal 'human' Inhuman whose terrigen experience transformed him into a dog" theory some Marvel writer (John Byrne?) flirted with years ago. Just make him a big lovable superpowered dog. People love dogs.

John Byrne wrote it that way for an important story arc - essentially, Quicksilver wanted his daughter Luna to go through Terrigenesis since he was upset that she didn't have mutant powers and wanted her to have something. Crystal didn't want her to go through with it because she might be badly disfigured. When Pietro said he would love his daughter no matter what, Lockjaw asked if he would love her even if she looked like him. It's a surprisingly powerful story considering it's set in a Thing solo book about the extent you could love someone if they looked like a monster.

Apparently, some people in Marvel editorial hated it and asked Peter David to retcon it, so he said that it was just a practical joke played by Gorgon and Karnak. Leaving aside that those are not the characters to do practical jokes, it badly undercuts the heart of the original story. But we were left with that status quo for a long time with an original story and a retcon and people divided on this issue.

That being said, there have been recent developments. First, Charles Soule has made it clear that Terrigenesis can produce results far more radical than a dog. Eldrac is an Inhuman turned into a door. Hub is an Inhuman turned into a ship's engine. A dog seems benign by comparison. On the other hand, Forey was introduced as Reader's dog. Is he an Inhuman-dog as well?

Writer Geoffrey Thorne, who is on record saying his personal belief is that Lockjaw is an Inhuman turned dog, made a great reference to this debate in his Mosaic book where Mosaic says "Inhuman Dog or Dog-Shaped Inhuman. Data's Inconclusive." His theory is that Lockjaw is so transformed by Terrigenesis that even his thoughts have become more dog-like, which is why it's difficult for him to speak.

This may all be coming to an end. Saladin Ahmed, who is writing the upcoming Black Bolt book, has said that he wants to definitively answer this question. That being said, my position is we've had two definitive answers that contradict each other and neither the original story nor the retcon has satisfied anyone. Short of a legitimate flashback, I doubt this answer will either. My personal preference is to keep it ambiguous even though I am firmly in the "Lockjaw is an Inhuman transformed to look like a dog" camp.

 

[NotNickFury]

Well, there you go:

 

[DalekbusterFitz]

Well, there you go:

A lot closer to the comics than the costumes.

 

[Vartha]

Nice! Glad he IS closer to the comic version. Makes me wonder why we haven't seen any other animal on Shield be effected by the terrigin. You have to figure it's in fish, quite a few animals love to eat fish not to mention cats eating fish and getting into their owners Fish oil pills

 

[psylockolussus]

Best Marvel television adaptation from comics to live action, looks wise!

 

[metaphysician]

Nice! Glad he IS closer to the comic version. Makes me wonder why we haven't seen any other animal on Shield be effected by the terrigin. You have to figure it's in fish, quite a few animals love to eat fish not to mention cats eating fish and getting into their owners Fish oil pills

What makes you think Lockjaw is an animal?

 

[DalekbusterFitz]

Nice! Glad he IS closer to the comic version. Makes me wonder why we haven't seen any other animal on Shield be effected by the terrigin. You have to figure it's in fish, quite a few animals love to eat fish not to mention cats eating fish and getting into their owners Fish oil pills

I'm not sure Inhuman animals could be pulled off on Agents of SHIELD. It would work better in the Guardians of the Galaxy series given it already has a talking racoon with a machine gun.

 

[SwiftFox]

What makes you think Lockjaw is an animal?

Exactly this.

 

[marcvader]

The one saving grace of the trailer. What does that tell you.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

Best Marvel television adaptation from comics to live action, looks wise!

Oh lord... You know you should quit trying to be funny when it's only when you are sincere and serious that you can elicit big ole belly laughs.

 

[Dark Raven]

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

I'm a little disappointed there not using puppetry for close ups at least. CGI ages. Puppetry is pretty timeless. Labyrinth still looks awesome to me.

Gollum from LOTR is starting to look like a PS3 cut scene. :P

Eh... One looks like it can move and has alive eyes. The other... Looks like obvious people in suits with dead eyes. Lots and LOTS of practical effects like puppetry don't age well given what can be done today with VFX. People don't want to admit that but it's pretty clear if you try to step away from the, frankly, nostalgia those old films evoke in us as adults. It like, puppets, stop motion, make up... There was fantastic work done in the past but EXACTLY as with some CGI (and notice some because there is use of CGI that is so common yet so not noticed by the audience, even the "CGI always sucks" crowd) today, back then... you even as a kid knew it was a special effect. Some of the greatest of the old school visual effects was in it's day obviously an artificial creation. I think the real problem isn't some objective greater magnitude of quality, I think it's a combination of a pose of "authenticity" with an unfortunate cynical view of entertainment that seeks to pop the bubble of suspension of disbelief, usually to pat oneself on the back as to how worldly, intelligent and insightful one is as compared to the "rubes".

 

[psylockolussus]

He actually looks faithfully to the comics.

 

[psylockolussus]

Oh lord... You know you should quit trying to be funny when it's only when you are sincere and serious that you can elicit big ole belly laughs.

Have you seen Daredevil, Punisher with the oversized jacket, covered up Elektra, Toy pasted Deathlok, Iron Fist in casual clothing?

 

[Mike Murdock]

Eh... One looks like it can move and has alive eyes. The other... Looks like obvious people in suits with dead eyes. Lots and LOTS of practical effects like puppetry don't age well given what can be done today with VFX. People don't want to admit that but it's pretty clear if you try to step away from the, frankly, nostalgia those old films evoke in us as adults. It like, puppets, stop motion, make up... There was fantastic work done in the past but EXACTLY as with some CGI (and notice some because there is use of CGI that is so common yet so not noticed by the audience, even the "CGI always sucks" crowd) today, back then... you even as a kid knew it was a special effect. Some of the greatest of the old school visual effects was in it's day obviously an artificial creation. I think the real problem isn't some objective greater magnitude of quality, I think it's a combination of a pose of "authenticity" with an unfortunate cynical view of entertainment that seeks to pop the bubble of suspension of disbelief, usually to pat oneself on the back as to how worldly, intelligent and insightful one is as compared to the "rubes".

Yeah, puppetry doesn't age because it always looks like a puppet. It never looks like it's supposed to be part of the same world.

 

[MilkmanDan]

How do you explain where he comes from? Are there a whole race/breed of lockjaws?

I don't mind if he was an inhuman. Makes his story that little bit tragic and shows that the effects of the terrigen can be bad.

I realize that it makes more sense for him to be an Inhuman who was turned into a dog-like creature. But that kind of takes all the fun out of the character. He's a big, awesome dog with superpowers. That's fun. A person stuck in a body of a freakishly large dog isn't. (Okay, it can be but that sounds like a very specific idea for a comedy.) Also I think it's more fun to have other characters react to Lockjaw like he's a big awesome dog rather than a deformed family member.