The Lone Ranger - Part 2

[lespaul59]

Actually he is the great uncle I think is the term....He is the son of the LR's nephew

Yes this is correct.

 

[warhorse78]

Well, I got bord and watched this a second time tonight. The theater was actually packed, and it's a Sunday night at 8 pm (I first watched it on the 3rd at 7, and the theater was nearly empty)

It rolled smoother a second time for me, and now I get some references with a second viewing, like how Tonto tells John about the silver bullet, and how silver made the man evil, and how silver is the only way to kill him.

Also, I guess it's the girl in me, but I noticed not only Armie Hammer being a hottie, I also thought James Badge Dale, who was John's brother, was hot too. I didn't even realize he's been in Ironman 3, and is in WWZ too (although I haven't seen that movie yet) but maybe it's the mustache.

 

[ChickenScratch]

Yes this is correct.

Nephew, grand nephew, whatever. I just remember as a kid finding this out and thinking it was the coolest thing ever. Two superheroes related to each other and not using the same super hero persona.

 

[roach]

Nephew, grand nephew, whatever. I just remember as a kid finding this out and thinking it was the coolest thing ever. Two superheroes related to each other and not using the same super hero persona.

It is cool...I'd like to think the kid at the beginning was Britt Reid

 

[ChickenScratch]

Or his dad. Kinda works if GH is active in the 50's and his dad was pretty old when he passed on. So the timeline is solid.

 

[Project862006]

Disney really is lucky they got marvel and pixar

Lone Ranger - 250m budget and only makes 48 million on 4th of july 5 day week
John Carter - 282mWW on a 250m budget
Prince Of Persia - 335mWW on a 200m budget

and even tron legacy while not a flop it certainly underperformed

all big budget blockbuster flops and all of this money loss in just a span of like 3 years

 

[roach]

Disney really is lucky they got marvel and pixar

Lone Ranger - 250m budget and only makes 48 million on 4th of july 5 day week
John Carter - 282mWW on a 250m budget
Prince Of Persia - 335mWW on a 200m budget

and even tron legacy while not a flop it certainly underperformed

all big budget blockbuster flops and all of this money loss in just a span of like 3 years

and Star Wars

 

[Bruce Malone]

It's not about luck and i wouldn't be surprised at all if their decision to go after lucasfilm as a property had some connections to the failure of their own "sci-fi epic" John Carter.

When Disney's animation division became less and less profitable i believe the decision to out-right purchase Pixar came about.

When Disney realized they were struggling to reach the young male demo with their own films Marvel was snatched up.

POTC 5 is probably going to be the last in-house disney pg-13 blockbuster, i think they've learned their lesson by now?

 

[Drizzle]

I was expecting it to bomb, but not that badly. Yeesh.

 

[Project862006]

i think disney is just so desperately trying to get their next potc

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Disney really is lucky they got marvel and pixar

Lone Ranger - 250m budget and only makes 48 million on 4th of july 5 day week
John Carter - 282mWW on a 250m budget
Prince Of Persia - 335mWW on a 200m budget

and even tron legacy while not a flop it certainly underperformed

all big budget blockbuster flops and all of this money loss in just a span of like 3 years

Even Oz did way less overseas than expected. Marvel and Star Wars will indeed be Disney's saviors.

 

[Sawyer]

They just really need to stop throwing inordinate amounts of cash at these things. $250 million for this is a ****ing joke. Yeah, yeah, yeah, laying down track and blah blah blah... Bottom line: It should never have cost that much.

 

[Raiden]

Even Oz did way less overseas than expected. Marvel and Star Wars will indeed be Disney's saviors.

I thought the hiring of Alan Horn was supposed to address their deficiency in making good, bankable movies under the Disney film division? Doesn't seemed like it worked at all. Perhaps Horn can entice Chris Nolan to make a movie or two for Disney in the future?

 

[James]

He's not a buffoon, hes a theif who has absolutely no training and is learning new stuff. Like Tony Stark. Lone Ranger was already a ranger, not for very long but a ranger nonetheless, there's no reason for him to be so incompetent except for a joke. It's pathetic and one of the reasons this movie is a complete failure.

He was a Ranger in as much as he'd worn a badge for like, a day. Prior to that he was an inner-city lawyer who didn't even "believe" in guns. Iron Man and Zorro get a pass, but The Lone Ranger should magically develop skills because...? There are plenty of valid criticisms flying around this thread, but saying the character had "no reason for him to be so incompetent" isn't one of them.

 

[lespaul59]

Nephew, grand nephew, whatever. I just remember as a kid finding this out and thinking it was the coolest thing ever. Two superheroes related to each other and not using the same super hero persona.

I only found out about the connection in like the last two or three years. I don't even remember how I came across the info. I think I may have been reading something about the Green Hornet movie and saw it mentioned.

Have any of you guys ever watched the LR cartoon from FIlmation that came out in the early 80's? It was called The New Adventures of the Lone Ranger. I bought a dvd a few weeks ago with 7 episodes a few weeks ago but have yet to watch it.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

They just really need to stop throwing inordinate amounts of cash at these things. $250 million for this is a ****ing joke. Yeah, yeah, yeah, laying down track and blah blah blah... Bottom line: It should never have cost that much.

Eh, it is as simple as that. If a studio spends that much that can't be shocked the film didn't make the 500-700mil it takes to make a profit. Those numbers aren't easy to get. Disney saw Lone Ranger all wrong anyway, they should have looked at other successful Westerns instead of Pirates. The budget should have been 70-100mil and the movie should have been somewhat light in tone but still a hardcore Western that was made for older adults who know the damn show. And it should have been released during the Holliday season. Kids don't give a **** about Westerns and they aren't going to start to care anytime soon. They should have been thinking lighter version of the True Grit remake in other words.

I thought the hiring of Alan Horn was supposed to address their deficiency in making good, bankable movies under the Disney film division? Doesn't seemed like it worked at all. Perhaps Horn can entice Chris Nolan to make a movie or two for Disney in the future?

Nolan and Disney sounds like an odd combo to me. Anything is possible I guess but Disney is not going to be able to use the same kind of marketing campaigns as they use for their other live action films.

 

[lespaul59]

He was a Ranger in as much as he'd worn a badge for like, a day. Prior to that he was an inner-city lawyer who didn't even "believe" in guns. Iron Man and Zorro get a pass, but The Lone Ranger should magically develop skills because...? There are plenty of valid criticisms flying around this thread, but saying the character had "no reason for him to be so incompetent" isn't one of them.

I can't really agree with this. We're talking about a character that would have grown up in the mid 1800's in Texas so he should at least know how to shoot a gun. I think he even tells his brother he hasn't touched a gun in 9 years. But at the same time your right he shouldn't just develop skills out of no where. With that being said he also should be very capable of firing a warning shot. Then you also have TLR saying he boxed while in law school but he looks stupid when he first mentions this but then actually hits a guy the second time it's mentioned. Personaly I think this comes more from the movie trying to make a joke of TLR's lack of skills at times rather than TLR being shown as having a lack of skills.

 

[Project862006]

Eh, it is as simple as that. If a studio spends that much that can't be shocked the film didn't make the 500-700mil it takes to make a profit. Those numbers aren't easy to get. Disney saw Lone Ranger all wrong anyway, they should have looked at other successful Westerns instead of Pirates. The budget should have been 70-100mil and the movie should have been somewhat light in tone but still a hardcore Western that was made for older adults who know the damn show. And it should have been released during the Holliday season. Kids don't give a **** about Westerns and they aren't going to start to care anytime soon. They should have been thinking lighter version of the True Grit remake in other words.

Nolan and Disney sounds like an odd combo to me. Anything is possible I guess but Disney is not going to be able to use the same kind of marketing campaigns as they use for their other live action films.

exactly why spend 250m on these blockbusters when you put so much pressure on the film to do well these films needs to make like 650WW just to make a profit and that is not the norm for blockbusters

 

[nightwing06]

The Lone Ranger is definitely not the eye gouging travesty several critics have claimed it to be,but it's definitely
not highly memorable,but it is fun with some major faults.
When i go to see a film about a legendary heroic character i expect him to be just that....HEROIC!!
Sure some of The Ranger's (Armie Hammer) banter,bumbling and arguing with Tonto (Johnny Depp)
was amusing,but at times i felt it was overdone in the film,and unecessary scenes became more grating
as they popped up in and out of the film.
Fortunately the film looks great,an almost unrecognizeable William Fichtner portraying the sadistic
Butch Cavendish does well in his role.Tom Wilkinson is always a welcome presence,and Helena Bonham Carter's
Red Harrington is an interesting character but underused.

I enjoyed the action sequences but by the time the action packed railroad rally rolls onto the screen,i felt it was too little to late
So in the end TLR has its moments but most that you will be grateful you waited for cable or the DVD to see.

Scale of 1-10 a 7

 

[ChickenScratch]

I only found out about the connection in like the last two or three years. I don't even remember how I came across the info. I think I may have been reading something about the Green Hornet movie and saw it mentioned.

Have any of you guys ever watched the LR cartoon from FIlmation that came out in the early 80's? It was called The New Adventures of the Lone Ranger. I bought a dvd a few weeks ago with 7 episodes a few weeks ago but have yet to watch it.

Hell yeah I watched the old cartoon. My father was into western heroes (go figure, an Indian scientist living in Jamaica into cowboys), but through him I had all the Lone Ranger stuff. As well as a number of other iconic western characters.

He had gotten the cartoon on one of those cartoon videos they used to sell in the 80's. It had LR and Zorro on there. If they have the cartoons on DVD then I have to get them. In the past couple months old LR serials, movies and the TV series has been popping up in bargin bins at discount stores.

His relation to GH to me was always a big deal. A legacy hero that wasn't father and son, or hero and sidekick. In fact it skipped a generation with Britt's dad being a newspaper man.

On a side note. Remember the Zorro cartoon?

 

[The Guard]

I need to see it again, as I saw a late showing, but I kinda loved it. Just a good, solid fun film. Armie Hammer was fantastic as Reid. Depp was solid as Tonto, with some very humorous moments. I don't see the complaints over his performance, to be honest. He's not the cliché Indian, but he also didn't feel like he was just being Johnny Depp, either.

The movie in general is just good, old fashioned cinematic fun. It's fairly well written, the Ranger himself has some decent pathos, and Tonto has a nice backstory that is heavier and with more complexity than you'd expect.

The weak spot is the villains, but even then, Colby and Cavendish are solid, they have a sobering, truly evil plan, and they're the kind of scenery chewing serial villains that elevate this to something more than average. The bits with the kid are just charming enough not to pull you out of the film.

The final action sequence is fantastic, especially the bits with The Lone Ranger on Silver, that was just incredible stuff, along with a great version of the William Tell Overture. Verbinski's been working toward that sort of INDIANA JONES action sequence all his career, and here, I think it finally fires on all cylinders.

I can see where the budget for this movie went now. Beyond the trains and tracks and town they built (which all look fantastic), that last sequence is immense and pretty complex stuff. And it cannot be ignored that they shot is some INCREDIBLE locations, on location. This is an absolutely beautiful Western cinematically.

There's been a lot of talk about how this movie somehow makes fun of The Lone Ranger and Tonto. I don't think it does. Hammer plays every scene he's in almost deadly serious, which is half the charm when Reid finds himself in over his head again and again and again. Yes, there's comedy, but its situational comedy, not comedy at the expense of The Lone Ranger and Tonto as characters.

I think this is a movie that will grow on people.

 

[DACrowe]

I thought the hiring of Alan Horn was supposed to address their deficiency in making good, bankable movies under the Disney film division? Doesn't seemed like it worked at all. Perhaps Horn can entice Chris Nolan to make a movie or two for Disney in the future?

Considering this was developed under the Dick Cook era and then greenlight by Rich Ross, I won't start throwing shade on Alan Horn's tenure just yet. This project happened because previous chairs could not tell Verbinski and Depp no. That just changed.

 

[roach]

I only found out about the connection in like the last two or three years. I don't even remember how I came across the info. I think I may have been reading something about the Green Hornet movie and saw it mentioned.

Have any of you guys ever watched the LR cartoon from FIlmation that came out in the early 80's? It was called The New Adventures of the Lone Ranger. I bought a dvd a few weeks ago with 7 episodes a few weeks ago but have yet to watch it.

I used to watch the cartoon as a child...they put him with Zorro and Tarzan and made a show....

 

[lespaul59]

Hell yeah I watched the old cartoon. My father was into western heroes (go figure, an Indian scientist living in Jamaica into cowboys), but through him I had all the Lone Ranger stuff. As well as a number of other iconic western characters.

He had gotten the cartoon on one of those cartoon videos they used to sell in the 80's. It had LR and Zorro on there. If they have the cartoons on DVD then I have to get them. In the past couple months old LR serials, movies and the TV series has been popping up in bargin bins at discount stores.

His relation to GH to me was always a big deal. A legacy hero that wasn't father and son, or hero and sidekick. In fact it skipped a generation with Britt's dad being a newspaper man.

On a side note. Remember the Zorro cartoon?

I didn't know about the Zorro cartoon untill I was looking online to see if there where any other LR cartoons available and ran across The New Adventures of the Lone Ranger and Zorro. But I dodn't think those are in production anymore. But I did run across a dvd similer to TLR dvd which I'll have to check out.

 

[Tony Stark]

It's not about luck and i wouldn't be surprised at all if their decision to go after lucasfilm as a property had some connections to the failure of their own "sci-fi epic" John Carter.

When Disney's animation division became less and less profitable i believe the decision to out-right purchase Pixar came about.

When Disney realized they were struggling to reach the young male demo with their own films Marvel was snatched up.

POTC 5 is probably going to be the last in-house disney pg-13 blockbuster, i think they've learned their lesson by now?

I'm kind a pissed that Disney has nearly completely killed off it's cell animation business. The last cell animated film they produced was the Princess and the Frog in 2009, but that was the one area where Disney did really well. They did have an occasional flop, like Treasure Planet (which I actually liked), but they did really well in that arena. Their competing digital animation studio to Pixar, has been spotty at best. Films like Chicken Little and Bolt were modest successes, but Mars needs Mom's was a complete and total disaster.

The deal with Pixar came when Pixar was about ready to end their partnership with Disney, and work with other studios. It really was a no brainer.

Now let's be honest here folks, Buena Vista Pictures is a very small part of Disney. And anyone that thinks that Disney is in trouble is out of their bleeding mind. Look at what their stock has done since 2009, when they were around 15/share. They are currently at a 5 year high.

Yes they spent too much on this film, and yes they need to be more budget conscious, and Verbinski and Depp had too much creative control.