The Lone Ranger - Part 2

[chamber-music]

Here is what Hammer said

While Johnny Depp said he believed that critics made their minds up about the film before it was even released, Armie Hammer ignored his disapproving publicist and said the following.

"This is the deal with American critics: they’ve been gunning for our movie since it was shut down the first time, that’s when most of the critics wrote their initial reviews.

If you go back and read the negative reviews, most of them aren’t about the content of the movie, but more what’s behind it. It’s got to the point with American critics where if you’re not as smart as Plato, your stupid. That seems like a sad way to live your life. While we were making it we knew people were gunning for it. I think it was the popular thing when the movie hit rocky terrain they jumped on the bandwagon to try and bash it. They tried to do the same thing with to ‘World War Z’, it didn’t work, the movie was successful. Instead they decided to slit the jugular of our movie."

 

[Octoberist]

Eh. It's one of those things where you're promoting a movie that has bombed in your homeland, your back's against the wall and gotta blame something; and that something is the critics. Obviously you can't blame the movie itself because you're the one promoting it.

And in a few years from now, someone like Depp or Hammer will bash the movie openly (IE Daniel Craig and EON with 'Quantum of Solace)

 

[Schlosser85]

Depp's a big baby. Maybe he should try actually acting again at some point in the near-future.

 

[Rowsdower!]

Haha, nice knowing you, Armie. I just had a premonition of reading a review for Man from U.N.C.L.E. Here's an excerpt:

Guy Ritchie does what he does best with Man from U.N.C.L.E., creating an action-packed, visually appealing world full of zany characters and one liners. The script isn't great, but a standout performance from emerging action star Henry Cavill as agent Napoleon Solo really makes the film work. Sparks fly whenever Cavill and Elizabeth Debicki's femme fatale are onscreen together.

Unfortunately, the movie comes to a screeching halt whenever that black hole of acting, Armie Hammer, shows up. Hammer's character, Ilya Kuryakin, speaks as if he learned a Russian accent from listening to a cheap, knock-off version of Rosetta Stone that he purchased at Wal-Mart. Fortunately for Hammer, his accent is so mind-numbingly awful that it manages to distract from his otherwise wooden performance. If we get to see a sequel to this film, hopefully the producers will realize that the title, Man from U.N.C.L.E., is not plural and the story would benefit from having the titular character's partner killed off in the first five minutes.

Cavill's Solo could certainly benefit from going solo next time around.

 

[Octoberist]

I don't blame Armie for taking a role like The Lone Ranger, but like I've said before, this road to Stardom doesn't work anymore.

Gosling, Fassbender, Gordon-Levitt, Hardy, and many others have a more effective method: Build your careers on great performances in smaller, indie flicks. Build upon that THEN move onto maintream stuff.

Look at Taylor Kitch and Sam Worthington (though he's trying NOW with smaller films). You can't just jump into the lion's den. This is a different era now. Even guys like Chris Pine and Henry Cavill are not out of the woodwork yet. They haven't proved that they're valuable outside of Star Trek and Superman (yet).

 

[Rowsdower!]

I don't blame Armie for taking a role like The Lone Ranger, but like I've said before, this road to Stardom doesn't work anymore.

Gosling, Fassbender, Gordon-Levitt, Hardy, and many others have a more effective method: Build your careers on great performances in smaller, indie flicks. Build upon that THEN move onto maintream stuff.

Look at Taylor Kitch and Sam Worthington (though he's trying NOW with smaller films). You can't just jump into the lion's den. This is a different era now. Even guys like Chris Pine and Henry Cavill are not out of the woodwork yet. They haven't proved that they're valuable outside of Star Trek and Superman (yet).

Yeah, it does seem to be the way to go, but you have to roll with the things that come your way. You even have to have a stroke of luck to land those smaller indie film roles. Gosling, Hardy, all of those guys managed to appear in projects that were very good... but they're the exceptions. There are a LOT of bad indie films out there.

 

[Schlosser85]

The only thing I've ever seen Armie Hammer in was as Leo's lover in J. Edgar, and I thought he was pretty good in that. Maybe he just needs to pick better roles.

And badmouthing critics left and right doesn't help anything. Depp can get away with it because Depp's a big star. You're not.

 

[dark_b]

whats funny about Cavill is that the guy wants to be a movie star. he is trying for over 10 years to get a hollywood franchise. then he was forced to do a tv show to pay teh bills. but it was always about money and hollywood.

Hardy,Gosling,Levitt. those guys are legit. they act because they like it and they respect the art.

 

[Schlosser85]

Gosling, Hardy, all of those guys managed to appear in projects that were very good... but they're the exceptions. There are a LOT of bad indie films out there.

Hardy did more than his share of crap in the early 2000s, so much so that he considered quitting acting.

 

[dark_b]

And badmouthing critics left and right doesn't help anything. Depp can get away with it because Depp's a big star. You're not.

i have a feeling that the producers and studio told him to say thats its the critics fault. he should have said NO. he will still work in this industry and critics will writte reviews. if Depp is in the worst movie of all time and than next year gives a good performance all critics will praise him. he is Depp.

 

[Schlosser85]

Exactly. Someone like Johnny Depp can survive a huge flop. People like Armie Hammer, Sam Worthington, and Taylor Kitsch can't.

And fairly or unfairly, they get blamed for it.

 

[Octoberist]

Yeah, it does seem to be the way to go, but you have to roll with the things that come your way. You even have to have a stroke of luck to land those smaller indie film roles. Gosling, Hardy, all of those guys managed to appear in projects that were very good... but they're the exceptions. There are a LOT of bad indie films out there.

Of course, there is never a clear path and yes, there are tons of bad indie movies out there. It's about being smart, and even that can get ya no where.

Becoming a recognizable actor is an arbitrary process. It's not about being just talented but being super lucky. It's nabbing that ONE role that change your life. Be it 'Bronson, Brick, or whatever. It's that momentum to keep when people start to notice ya. How that happens is up to Zeus and Krom.

 

[Octoberist]

Hardy did more than his share of crap in the early 2000s, so much so that he considered quitting acting.

The road can be rocky for some.

 

[jacobed]

whats funny about Cavill is that the guy wants to be a movie star. he is trying for over 10 years to get a hollywood franchise. than he was forced to do a tv show to pay teh bills. but it was always about money and hollywood.

Hardy,Gosling,Levitt. those guys are legit. they act because they like it and they respect the art.

Ok that is quite a bit of assumptions towards Cavill. All probably wrong too.

I don't get Hammer, he is saying that since they shut down the critics automatically hated them. Look at Wwz and Mib 3 while neither are critically darlings they both seem to reciever generally favorable reviews and they were both shut down during production. Both of these guys just need to accept the fact this movie was mind numbingly terrible

 

[dark_b]

i dont belive for a second that Cavill or Hammer couldnt get in those smaller movies in the last years. they just didnt care for those movies.

 

[Schlosser85]

Becoming a recognizable actor is an arbitrary process. It's not about being just talented but being super lucky.

There are A-list stars that are mediocre in every way and excellent character actors that toil in obscurity.

 

[dark_b]

Ok that is quite a bit of assumptions towards Cavill. All probably wrong too.

look in what kind of movies he was. now lets add the fact that he was trying to be in all big franchises in the last 10 years. not rumors. they were rumors in 2000-2005. today we know for a fact where he auditioned.
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0147147/

 

[Octoberist]

There are A-list stars that are mediocre in every way and excellent character actors that toil in obscurity.

Yeah, look at Sam Rockwell. He's way talented but he never gets noticed; even after Moon and Iron Man 2.

 

[terry78]

It's all about who Hollywood wants to market. They're trying to find a combination of guys that look good, can carry a movie, AND have Shakesperian quality ability, and you ain't gonna get that all the time.

 

[dark_b]

Yeah, look at Sam Rockwell. He's way talented but he never gets noticed; even after Moon and Iron Man 2.

he is not attractive by hollywood standards. he looks like a normal guy. i bet they call him and give him roles where he plays side characters or a villain. if Sam looked like Hammer or Cavill he would be a mega star with oscar nominations. i hate this ..... i hate it. he is a good actor and deserves more.

 

[dark_b]

It's all about who Hollywood wants to market. They're trying to find a combination of guys that look good, can carry a movie, AND have Shakesperian quality ability, and you ain't gonna get that all the time.

hollwood would also like a young Pitt and Cruise or RDJ. but all 3 are in movies that are popular and make money. who cares if the actors are old. hollywood should focus more on actors from 30-50. lets hope Batman is very old in MOS2.

 

[Octoberist]

he is not attractive by hollywood standards. he looks like a normal guy. i bet they call him and give him roles where he plays side characters or a villain. if Sam looked like Hammer or Cavill he would be a mega star with oscar nominations. i hate this ..... i hate it. he is a good actor and deserves more.

You're right. He's in-between good looking but too normal looking. I guess the days of being the 'next' Tom Hanks (everyman) is gone.

But if Sam was heavier, like Phillip Seymour Hoffman, he would get noticed more, me thinks.

 

[Octoberist]

I'm still in the mindset that Depp should've played the Lone Ranger and a real Native American should've played Tonto.

It's sad to think that you'll see CG aliens or giant robots more often than a Native American actor leading a film.

 

[Hunter Rider]

I haven't seen the movie yet but I don't think they are that wide of the mark saying there was an agenda against the film, you just have to look back in this thread to see articles about the production costs that already had this pegged to be the whooping boy of summer 2013 as far back as last year.

How much this actually affected people's choice not to see the movie is impossible to determine though, but it's a solid argument for Depp and co to hang their (Cowboy)hat on.

 

[Octoberist]

That, and what else are they gonna say when they're promoting their film overseas?