The Main Titles CGI Sequence: Why It's So Important

[Retroman]

1.) Are creative CBM titles important to you as a fan?
It kind of sets the tone so yes in that sense it is important.
2.) If you can recall, what impression did the 2005 film's opening sequence have on you in theaters? Very forgetfull. It could have seen so much better.
3.) If you were designing FF2's CGI intro, what conceptual ideas would you implement?
2 years have past since the last film so i think its important for the audience to know whats happened in the meantime. The FF are now fullfledged superheros who have fought multiple villains. SS will soon arrive.Doom is in Latveria. I'd like to see a reflection of that in the opening.They could possibly do something similar to Spider-Man 2's Alex Ross opening. Maybe with a voice-over by........Andre Braugher? I don't know. The possibilities are endless.Just hope it's unique and not a blatant rip-off.
4.) Do you think FOX should give FF2 full length opening credits (a la the Spider-Man, and Superman Returns franchises)?
Yes.

 

[surfergirl]

This is a good topic to discuss. The opening credits is a key way to grab the audience's attention and I think they could be better this time around. Full length credits with a montage of what the 4 have been up to over the last couple of years would be great IMO. That way it gets the audience interested and sets up where they are beginning with the opening scene in the sequel.

 

[gerbstat]

I agree that the opening sequence is important to setting the tone of the movie. The 2005 opening titles looked hurried, as if they were tacked on as an afterthought. The first sequence, in spite of the statue of Victor, lacked any impact and seemed just wrong somehow.

 

[surfergirl]

^^ I think they were rushed too. As you are watching them you are into the movie before you know it. They need a smoother, more intriguing transition this time.

 

[invisibeav]

1.) Are creative CBM titles important to you as a fan?​

2.) If you can recall, what impression did the 2005 film's opening sequence have on you in theaters? ​

3.) If you were designing FF2's CGI intro, what conceptual ideas would you implement?​

4.) Do you think FOX should give FF2 full length opening credits (a la the Spider-Man, and Superman Returns franchises)?​

1. Absolutely. I remember the first time I saw Spider-man in the theatres and was just in awe of the opening title sequence. It definitely set the movie in a serious tone and gave it an epic feel. I loved the Superman Returns titles as well; it almost brought tears because the score was so reminiscent of the theme from the 1978 film.

2. I felt punched in the guts. I'm exaggerating of course, but I had expected a full-blown CGI sequence timed to Ottman's score and was sorely disappointed by the lack of a title sequence. I had heard some clips of the title score on his website and found it impressive and fitting to the characters. Later when I got the OMP soundtrack (the one made of the score), I realized even more what a missed opportunity it had been. The way Ottman constructed the opening first chords and then have them segued into the FF theme would have left quite an impression on the audience. And since the rest of the score came across as choppy and incoherent at times during the film (due to the heavy editing), having that title sequence with the full theme played out might also have remedied some of the continuity problems, as far as the music goes.

3. I really like the aforementioned idea of showing the audience newspaper clips and filling them in to what the FF has been doing. I also think that since the Silver Surfer is introduced in the film, the intro should convey the idea that the FF are not mere vigilantes; they are imaginauts and explorers whose adventures extend far beyond those on earth.

4. Yes!

 

[KenK]

1.) Are creative CBM titles important to you as a fan?

Immensely. In the case of a first film, the proper tone needs to be set, and there needs to be a lot of imagination to it to coincide with the source material.

2.) If you can recall, what impression did the 2005 film's opening sequence have on you in theaters?

I don't think I've ever seen anything so half-assed in my life. One of the worst opening title sequences I've seen for ANY movie, comic book or otherwise. The minimal approach to the Batman Begins title sequence (and it's like of showing a title period) was that you had enough of a visual representation of what the movie was about. Batman is second only to Superman as the most iconic comic book character of all time. He almost needs no introduction, and given the kind of character he is, he probably wouldn't want one. But the opening was very subtle and striking at the same time. You saw the bats swarming, then the bat logo appears and it just makes for a very dynamic visual. You don't need to say anything after that.

Fantastic Four really need to put itself out there, and they failed to do that with their opening title sequence.

3.) If you were designing FF2's CGI intro, what conceptual ideas would you implement?

My favorite opening titles for Marvel comic movies in particular have been the ones that recap events from the preceding film. The best example, IMO, would be Blade II. It really told you everything you needed to know, and was a great way of incorporating a scene between Whistler and Blade when they first met, as it was deleted from the actual film. It really set the tone and had that cool vibe to it that you associate with the character.

I agree with those who would do the same for FF2. And this time of course use the full-on theme music.

I'd also do something like a close-up of a large steel disc, slowly rotating in black space with each actor's name appearing on the screen, but it would be representative of each character's power. Then as you pull away from the disc, it's revealed to be the F4 logo.

4.) Do you think FOX should give FF2 full length opening credits (a la the Spider-Man, and Superman Returns franchises)?

I think so. The "title with no specific credits" thing has gotten really old.

 

[Lightning Strykez!]

2. I felt punched in the guts. I'm exaggerating of course, but I had expected a full-blown CGI sequence timed to Ottman's score and was sorely disappointed by the lack of a title sequence. I had heard some clips of the title score on his website and found it impressive and fitting to the characters. Later when I got the OMP soundtrack (the one made of the score), I realized even more what a missed opportunity it had been. The way Ottman constructed the opening first chords and then have them segued into the FF theme would have left quite an impression on the audience. And since the rest of the score came across as choppy and incoherent at times during the film (due to the heavy editing), having that title sequence with the full theme played out might also have remedied some of the continuity problems, as far as the music goes.

I agree with you.

When you listen to track 1 of the official score CD one realizes just how brilliant John Ottman's musical intentions were for FF1. Just the opening seconds of the main score alone was dramatic and distinctive, and would have really brought some class to the film. Sadly, all of that was chopped and the last few seconds of the track (a motif that isn't repeated anywhere else in the film) was used. I seem to remember reading that even John himself was surprised and a bit dissapointed by what happened. He had scored the main theme against a certain CGI intro that apparently was dropped last minute.

If memory serves, he's is back for this sequel. I hope that he cooks up something similar and it's actually used this time.

 

[Lightning Strykez!]

You know, one of the things that really worked well for the X-films was Professor X's motto/monologues. Since a few here have talked about the Watcher having some presence in this film, would having him give an off-camera monologue be a decent tie-in?

After all, he was critically involved in this saga.

 

[thegameq]

1) Yes. It's all part of the CBM experience; consider it the titlepage if you will. The same way the titlepage of a comic attracts the first time reader or excites the long time reader, the purpose is the same.

2) None. Very bland. Naturally and automatically compared to the best in the business; disappointing.

3) FF is about family, adventure, scifi, and the opening should say that. While flashbacks fo the first film could be shown, that could cause misgivings toward the new film based on the first film, yet you still want to re-familiarize or just familiarize a new audience with the characters. I envision and opening where we see the members of the FF on different endeavors, both heroic and natural. This would play well into both the "normal folks", family aspect of the FF as well as highlight their fantastic nature. I guess you could call my idea "a day in the life of the FF".

Example (credits and soundtrack only--I envision a FF soundtrack to be very adventurous and jazzy, similar to the Incredibles excellent soundtrack, no dialogue): Reed working in a hi-tech, exotic looking lab, stretching every which way. He get's distracted by Sue (who shows up in a night gown, impatient for Reed to come to bed; playful) and POOF! A little slapstick I know, but it makes the FF relatable and human. A variation of the same scene would play out several times spaced within the opening with a similar yet different ending each time; an explosion the first time, a gloopy explosion the second, a stink bomb the third, etc. The final scene has Reed completing his experiment successfully or so he thinks. Sue shopping at a womans boutique and dealing with ther celebrity status--again. Sue as a guest host on the View, etc. Johhny showing off his powers at a sporting event. Johnny at a party where he uses his power in some mischievous way. Ben working out at Gold's gym; the place is crowded inside and out. We see a barbell loaded to the brim with weights (spotters view). Then we see a set of "mits" grab the barbell, then we see Ben effortlessy do a set. Just events that showcase their everyday life as well as their daring-do: A construction crane collapses in midtown Manhattan and the FF are there to save the day. Ben of course catches the crane or holds it up long enough for the citizens to get to safety. Reed, Sue and Johnny assist in the rescue. The FF on a mission in a foreign land; after succeeding in their mission they are given major ceremony Star Wars style (a nod to the SW franchise of course).

There are countless ways to interpret such an opening, which would be fun, fresh and imaginative. Also, it could be used again in the next film.

However, if the tone of these films were different, or Galactus were to be the crux of the third film, arguably some sort of monologue by the Watcher or SS regarding the fate of the earth and it's inhabitants might work as well.

4) Yes. It fits the whole CBM presentation.

 

[Kelly]

I'm sorry I've gotten alittle nauseated at your depiction of Sue.....excuse me as I go and "throw up"...

 

[thegameq]

I'm sorry I've gotten alittle nauseated at your depiction of Sue.....excuse me as I go and "throw up"...

To froo, froo?....I was trying to stay within the context of Story's films.

 

[Kelly]

To froo, froo?....I was trying to stay within the context of Story's films.

??????? his films? if you look back on "his films" the women have pretty much kicked the butts of the men...most of the women are strong, independent, intelligent women....

How about we show the 4 defending earth "together" as a team, as family....Not as the guys fighting the bad guys and Sue at the mall.....

 

[Spider-Fan]

1.) Are creative CBM titles important to you as a fan?
I think opening titles are great. Necessary, probably not. They don't determine whether a movie is great (Superman Returns had an awesome opening credit sequence, and Batman Begins had none. As flims, I hated Superman Returns and loved Batman Begins), but I love the opening titles of comic based movies. They are great to get you pumped, but in no way are they necessary. The movie will still speak for itself regardless of opening titles (see previous BB vs SR example).

2.) If you can recall, what impression did the 2005 film's opening sequence have on you in theaters?
It had none. I didn't care that it was brief (in fact, I was a tad relieved sine the movie had a shorter run time).

3.) If you were designing FF2's CGI intro, what conceptual ideas would you implement?
If I had to, probably a sequence where we see something coming to Earth, maybe with some signs of dead planets as the silver flash comes closer to Earth.

4.) Do you think FOX should give FF2 full length opening credits (a la the Spider-Man, and Superman Returns franchises)?
I have to say no. I think with FOX handling this, it is better to just get to the movie. Who knows what kind of runtime it will be given (much like FF), and since FF didn't make a point of doing this, I don't expect nor think they need to do an opening sequence. If this was something like James Bond or Superman, then yes they would have to because those franchises made a point of doing the credits a certain way. FF did not.

 

[thegameq]

??????? his films? if you look back on "his films" the women have pretty much kicked the butts of the men...most of the women are strong, independent, intelligent women....

How about we show the 4 defending earth "together" as a team, as family....Not as the guys fighting the bad guys and Sue at the mall.....

His films as in FF, FF2....

My idea was based on showing the FF as normal people--as normal as possible anyway, with super powers. As I said in my post, my idea could be interpreted in various scenes. We could put Sue in the lab and have Reed distract her in his boxers if it suits you, but that might be a little out of Reeds character. We could have Reed doing interviews with various talk show hosts, explaining the benefits of his latest invention, etc. We could put Reed in an awkward scene inside a lingerie shop buying unmentionables for Sue, clearly uncomfortable in such a surrounding.

Again within the context of Story's (FF) films.

 

[terry78]

I prefer the intro that Mars Attacks! had, with the montage, clippings, etc. during the opening credits for cast and crew, then after the Directed by Tim Story credit, the title screen 4 comes up with Rise of the Silver Surfer fading into view in front of it. An extended upon version of the theme from the first movie would be a must during this time. What would actually be good is some still shots of actual comic panels and covers from the original 60's series, but in live action format.

 

[Kelly]

His films as in FF, FF2....

My idea was based on showing the FF as normal people--as normal as possible anyway, with super powers. As I said in my post, my idea could be interpreted in various scenes. We could put Sue in the lab and have Reed distract her in his boxers if it suits you, but that might be a little out of Reeds character. We could have Reed doing interviews with various talk show hosts, explaining the benefits of his latest invention, etc. We could put Reed in an awkward scene inside a lingerie shop buying unmentionables for Sue, clearly uncomfortable in such a surrounding.

Again within the context of Story's (FF) films.

???? ????

Sorry, but Sue does most of the distracting in the comics.... And actually Reed doing talk shows would be out of his character...as would the lingerie shop buying unmentionables....now I know that this is the 21st Century BUT....I don't see them giving us any idea that they are sleeping together....or at least anything that specific....as Reed in a lingerie shop???? talk about out of character....

Continue on with your ideas....I'm just not feeling so far whats out there....

But, I do agree that they should be shown as regular people....that was one thing they did ALOT of in the first film....and should also be in this one as well....but I don't know that I want it in the opening montage....I want to see them BECOMING the Fantastic Four over the past 2 years....BECOMING the superheros that the people call on for help....etc....we already know they are normal people living as superheros....but definitely put that in, here and there in the movie...

 

[WideAwake]

Yes, opening title sequences are important. I loved the one in Superman Returns. If such a sequence looks good, I have no problems sitting through one.

If I would design the opening title sequence, I would incorporate some key moments from the first movie, to remind the audience of the Fantastic Four's origin.
After the Marvel logo has fade away, a field of stars fades in.
Mysterious music is heard.
The camera pans down to the surface of the sun. The surface errupts, and a solar flame is cast into space.
The camera follows the flame towards Earth.
The music builds up, as voices from the scene where the Fantastic Four are affected by the radiation fade in. Quick shots of that scene are shown.
Then the camera builds up speed, and zooms through the radiation towards Earth, where it comes out behind a fully flamed on Johnny Storm, soaring through NYC.
The music bursts into a heroic theme, as we see a montage of Reed, Susan and Ben fighting a villain (Basilisk, for example), all desplaying their powers. Newspaper headlines appear throughout the sequence.
The Fantastic Four beat their foe, which is accompanied by a headline "Fantastic Four beat the Basilisk!"
The music reaches its climax.
Reed, Susan and Ben turn to face the camera. Johnny lands next to them.
Camera's flash.
With one last flash, the screen switches to a black screen with the Fantastic Four logo on it.
The music fades into something more omnious.
Then the subtitle "Rise of the Silver Surfer" appears over the logo. With a big silver flash, the logo dissapears, and the movie begins.

...or something like that

 

[Lightning Strykez!]

I prefer the intro that Mars Attacks! had, with the montage, clippings, etc. during the opening credits for cast and crew, then after the Directed by Tim Story credit, the title screen 4 comes up with Rise of the Silver Surfer fading into view in front of it. An extended upon version of the theme from the first movie would be a must during this time. What would actually be good is some still shots of actual comic panels and covers from the original 60's series, but in live action format.

I like this...

 

[Malus]

The music bursts into a heroic theme, as we see a montage of Reed, Susan and Ben fighting a villain (Basilisk, for example), all desplaying their powers. Newspaper headlines appear throughout the sequence.
The Fantastic Four beat their foe, which is accompanied by a headline "Fantastic Four beat the Basilisk!"

The Basilisk...?
Have they ever fought the Basilisk?
..and Marvel Two-In-One doesn't count; that was Thing & Spiderman.

 

[WideAwake]

My bad!
I didn't know of any Fantastic Four villains, so I looked for Marvel villains on Wikipedia, and picked one I thought looked interesting to get an idea for my opening titles across.
I'm not familiar with the comics of the Fantastic Four (more of X Men and Spiderman), but I liked the first movie, and am really looking forward to the second one. But I agree, should've done my homework better.

 

[Kelly]

I prefer the intro that Mars Attacks! had, with the montage, clippings, etc. during the opening credits for cast and crew, then after the Directed by Tim Story credit, the title screen 4 comes up with Rise of the Silver Surfer fading into view in front of it. An extended upon version of the theme from the first movie would be a must during this time. What would actually be good is some still shots of actual comic panels and covers from the original 60's series, but in live action format.

If we get a full time movie....not a 105 minute movie....I'd say....yes go with this one....

BUT if we get only... a 105 minute movie....then no to the 60's comics portion....yes to the montage portion....

 

[antsman41]

opening titles take you out of the movie so bad... when kool things are going on and names are all over the place is kinda retarted... Batman Begins is the best film to do it... the Bats sound just pound you into your seat and Bam! movie starts... it just has a better atmosphere all around for the movie experience...

 

[MattC]

John Ottman on the opening titles:

It looks as though there might be more areas this time around to squeeze in the Fan 4 theme, and there's also a possibility the film may have a full-fledged title sequence this time around so I can introduce the theme properly and get the adrenaline going as I had wanted to in the first film. As many know, in the 11th hour on the first film, the title sequence was cut out, and so the Fan 4 theme wasn't able to be introduced in the traditions of these types of films. So I'm keeping my fingers crossed.

http://www.f4movies.com/news/0461.shtml

 

[Retroman]

^^I posted that article in another thread, didn't know you posted it already.

Heres hoping they don't screw up the score and the opening sequence. I wonder if we'll get to see the one they intended to do for FF1 on the extended cut dvd?

 

[MattC]

Its ok Retro, the article is relevant to both of the threads that it is in