The Dark Knight The many faces of the Joker. Which is the "real" one?

[The Mighty Wind]

Here's my two cents, I don't like the look of Nolans Joker at all! I want the classic comic book Joker.

They should of cast someone that looks like the joker, Willem Dafoe, or that guy from the Willard movie, Heath Ledger just isn't doing it for me.

This will probably be a great movie, but this guy looks nothing like the joker.

Given the physical deviations of Ra's, Scarecrow, Batman and the Batmobile in Begins from their comic counterparts, I'm none too worried.

 

[Droogoonie789]

Yeah, the new pic just screams "Joker". I honestly dont know what to think, but if Nolan's take on Joker is based on his first appearances, Im pretty sure he's going to keep the same "Oh my god thats not makeup!" plot twist.

 

[bgshw44]

The latest pic looks the 'real' Joker to me.

agreed

 

[jrc3735]

Its so ****** up people still think the Joker is going to be "perma white." He wears makeup and thats the end of it. In the leaked pics you can CLEARLY see it coming off, that hes just wearing it over his skin. There is no twist where "Oh he wears flesh covered makeup under his white makeup to conceal his true dark secret!!!22!" Thats the worst logic in ever. If he was really a crazy monster with a bleached face he wouldn't wear human makeup over it then white over that, he would embrace his deformity to the fullest (hence how he puts red makeup on his scars to create a more gruesome looking smile).. The entire movie takes place shortly after Begins and the Joker commits armed robbery double homicide right before the end of Begins, and as we can see from the pic of him in the bank he is clearly normal. He doesn't go through some "chemical bath" in between his robbery and the movie. REALISTICALLY, he probably just wears the mask at first when hes small time and then puts on the makeup to be more intimidating when he becomes a bigger criminal. Nolan is going for as real as possible, and if someone fell into a POOL OF ACID (re: acid), they certainly wouldn't come out with just green hair and white skin, you'd be ******* burnt to death, dead. Ledger has also said its about the eyes and how the guy is just nuts in the head. I can't even believe this argument is still going on and I'm just stooping to the level of the idiots but maybe it will quiet a few of the "perma white" nuts...

 

[CaptainClown]

did we really need this thread..really did we?

 

[Reek]

this is the real one.

 

[FrostBite]

At the end of the movie we will see Heath's Joker is nothing more than a decoy, and the real joker, will come out and show himself setting it up for Part 3

 

[Reek]

At the end of the movie we will see Heath's Joker is nothing more than a decoy, and the real joker, will come out and show himself setting it up for Part 3

i guess twoface will just be a joke then right?

Heath is Joker.

 

[Infinity9999x]

At the end of the movie we will see Heath's Joker is nothing more than a decoy, and the real joker, will come out and show himself setting it up for Part 3

LOL! You know, I've always wanted to see what Hammil would have been like as a livescreen joker, even though he's too old now.

 

[darknight7]

Spoiler

^^^^^^^New picture of the Joker!! ^^^^^^^^

hahah I was watching this the other night thinking WOW he looks like TDKJ lol

--dk7

 

[cryptic name]

It all looks the same to me, just different angles and lighting. Some of you are just obsessed about him being Perma-white to the point that your making out that he evolves. No, he just reapplies his damn pancake make-up, because he's a scarred guy wearing Mime/Clown-face.

you'd have to be blind to think lighting is the only difference in the pictures we've seen. and i don't care if he's permawhite or not.

 

[cryptic name]

Its so ****** up people still think the Joker is going to be "perma white." He wears makeup and thats the end of it. In the leaked pics you can CLEARLY see it coming off, that hes just wearing it over his skin. There is no twist where "Oh he wears flesh covered makeup under his white makeup to conceal his true dark secret!!!22!" Thats the worst logic in ever. If he was really a crazy monster with a bleached face he wouldn't wear human makeup over it then white over that, he would embrace his deformity to the fullest (hence how he puts red makeup on his scars to create a more gruesome looking smile).. The entire movie takes place shortly after Begins and the Joker commits armed robbery double homicide right before the end of Begins, and as we can see from the pic of him in the bank he is clearly normal. He doesn't go through some "chemical bath" in between his robbery and the movie. REALISTICALLY, he probably just wears the mask at first when hes small time and then puts on the makeup to be more intimidating when he becomes a bigger criminal. Nolan is going for as real as possible, and if someone fell into a POOL OF ACID (re: acid), they certainly wouldn't come out with just green hair and white skin, you'd be ******* burnt to death, dead. Ledger has also said its about the eyes and how the guy is just nuts in the head. I can't even believe this argument is still going on and I'm just stooping to the level of the idiots but maybe it will quiet a few of the "perma white" nuts...

you're not going to quiet anybody, you're just making yourself look like an ass by stating something as a fact that nobody except the filmmakers know for sure. we don't know. none of us know. a lot of people on this board have very strong IDEAS, and fight fiercely over them. but they don't know, and neither do you, so shut up.

 

[CaptainClown]

you're not going to quiet anybody, you're just making yourself look like an ass by stating something as a fact that nobody except the filmmakers know for sure. we don't know. none of us know. a lot of people on this board have very strong IDEAS, and fight fiercely over them. but they don't know, and neither do you, so shut up.

i agree, i hate people who see something in a picture and assume its real

 

[Crook]

you're not going to quiet anybody, you're just making yourself look like an ass by stating something as a fact that nobody except the filmmakers know for sure. we don't know. none of us know. a lot of people on this board have very strong IDEAS, and fight fiercely over them. but they don't know, and neither do you, so shut up.

Darn, I was just gonna go on a rant too. But you've already stated what I felt. Ah well.

 

[Reek]

you're not going to quiet anybody, you're just making yourself look like an ass by stating something as a fact that nobody except the filmmakers know for sure. we don't know. none of us know. a lot of people on this board have very strong IDEAS, and fight fiercely over them. but they don't know, and neither do you, so shut up.

god i love spunk.

 

[SpinyNorman]

The latest pic looks the 'real' Joker to me.

I hope this is his "genuine" look, too, whatever the hell that means.

 

[Reek]

I hope this is his "genuine" look, too, whatever the hell that means.

i dont want him to have a genuine look....i want constant change. and then the REAL cliffhanger, not twoface, but jokers real look.

 

[horrorwriter]

Its so ****** up people still think the Joker is going to be "perma white." He wears makeup and thats the end of it. In the leaked pics you can CLEARLY see it coming off, that hes just wearing it over his skin. There is no twist where "Oh he wears flesh covered makeup under his white makeup to conceal his true dark secret!!!22!" Thats the worst logic in ever. If he was really a crazy monster with a bleached face he wouldn't wear human makeup over it then white over that, he would embrace his deformity to the fullest (hence how he puts red makeup on his scars to create a more gruesome looking smile).. The entire movie takes place shortly after Begins and the Joker commits armed robbery double homicide right before the end of Begins, and as we can see from the pic of him in the bank he is clearly normal. He doesn't go through some "chemical bath" in between his robbery and the movie. REALISTICALLY, he probably just wears the mask at first when hes small time and then puts on the makeup to be more intimidating when he becomes a bigger criminal. Nolan is going for as real as possible, and if someone fell into a POOL OF ACID (re: acid), they certainly wouldn't come out with just green hair and white skin, you'd be ******* burnt to death, dead. Ledger has also said its about the eyes and how the guy is just nuts in the head. I can't even believe this argument is still going on and I'm just stooping to the level of the idiots but maybe it will quiet a few of the "perma white" nuts...

Although this is a very captivating response. I doubt anyone can be arduous enough to declare people idiots by stating their opinions.

I don't think it's very likely that we will see a perma-white joker, however, I also don't think it will be anything of what we are thinking. Nolan uses a lot of mis-direction in his filming, and although the realistic approach to having a maniac with a cut mouth wearing joker makeup is how i would do it, I certainly can understand the argument. After all, there is shots of Heath with his arms covered white. If a maniac (as you dictate) was to apply make up just over his face, and that's it...then why all over his body? Why is thier some scenes where he has flesh on his arms?

What if his face is one big JOKE? and we haven't seen the real thing yet? Could Nolan be holding back on everyone? I know if I had a character like this from one of my books, I would have him wear the make up over the flesh and then even a mask...(Bank robbery scene?) How creepy would it be to see someone walk up to you wearing a clown mask, pull it off, and then under it is a made up clown. He washes off his face to the flesh beneath and then begins peeling the flesh from his face to the first image we've ever seen. After all, this movie deals a lot with layers, and with the face. Think Two -Face for example. His whole persona no matter how you look at it is reflected from his image as well.

So I'm hoping you're right, but I have to concur with other people here...things just don't add up. I think in the end of this film, something will happen where the inmates at Arkham try to wash his face off, and ...well...they can't...

I think it would be very effective...

 

[CaptainClown]

The big reveal will be the shower scene.
Joker led to the showers and inmates laughing at him, calling him that wannabe clown. The inmates continue to jeer as Joker with his head low heads to the shower and turns it on. Steam fills the room and the water running down the drain with flesh colored make up. Out of the steam comes Joker completely pale white, screaming
"MY NAME IS JOKER, I AM NOBODIES *****. YOU ARE MINE!" the points at the biggest guy there and bashes his face in.

 

[seifergt]

however he looks, makeup, bleached skin whatever, that only plays second fiddle to his actions. I have seen fan videos that have joker look almost exactly like the comics, and none of them really gave me anything new, they looked like the joker yes, maybe more so than what tdk will give, but from what we are hearing, the performance should blow us away. Granted, it would be hard to take bale seriously if he wore the batsuit with nipples(forgive me for mentioning it), but he has the character down pat, and I would be able to look past the nipples. I like that they are deviating enough so that you know who it is on screen, but enough so that it feels like something new. thats my 2 cents.

 

[Mr. Socko]

The big reveal will be the shower scene.
Joker led to the showers and inmates laughing at him, calling him that wannabe clown. The inmates continue to jeer as Joker with his head low heads to the shower and turns it on. Steam fills the room and the water running down the drain with flesh colored make up. Out of the steam comes Joker completely pale white, screaming
"MY NAME IS JOKER, I AM NOBODIES *****. YOU ARE MINE!" the points at the biggest guy there and bashes his face in.

Anytime someone talks about a jail shower scene, I always think of American History X.

 

[IamProdigy]

In one of Nolan's epic plot twists, it is later revealed that the Heath-Joker is just one big Joker set-up by the REAL Joker in order to get his sick kicks, and so, at the end of the movie, we are left with a cliffhanger, as Batman prepares to combat the REAL Joker.

Do you really think that?

I doubt Nolan will try to re-use the same plot device that he used on Batman Begins.

 

[BatoutofHell]

Do you really think that?

I doubt Nolan will try to re-use the same plot device that he used on Batman Begins.

Yeah...that would be like the Emperor being Vader's father at the end of VI when he picked him up.

 

[MagicPrime]

Given the physical deviations of Ra's, Scarecrow, Batman and the Batmobile in Begins from their comic counterparts, I'm none too worried.

I thought Liam Neeson looked like a perfect Ra's.

 

[sglass03]

Captain Clown's idea is very appealing, and is one of the reasons I'm for the "permawhite" Joker - not so much for tradition's sake, but because it makes a better dramatic tool. To me, it makes Joker more frightening, more mysterious, and a la Captain Clown's scene, it makes for some very good entertainment. If Nolan wanted to pull a gigantic headfake on the audience (like he seems to enjoy doing in his other films), he'd do exactly what's been described here - make the audience think Joker wears makeup, and then BAM, in one shocking scene we realize it's all a mask under a mask under a mask, etc., etc.

But that's irrelevant to this thread, as someone said earlier. This thread is here to argue why the Joker looks different in each of the pics we've seen so far, not if "permawhite" is a better option or not.

Some argue it's merely technical, others think it's more than that. Perhaps Nolan wants Joker's look to evolve throughout the film - i.e., he never looks the same way twice, with slight alterations each time. Or perhaps Nolan actually responded to fan reactions - after the first pic, many people thought it was an effective look, but perhaps too gruesome. Half of his face literally looked like ground hamburger meat. Now Ledger's scars look like they were toned down, and perhaps that was a conscious measure of fan reaction. And perhaps it's all just one big ruse - if we're to believe Miranda, then we can guess that the Joker has something else going on with his look.

In the end, who knows? We're all here to argue our opinion, and none of us are "stupid" for it.