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[Spider-Fan]

Isn't he in a good position to say fewer projects would be better though? Based from the reports, I don't think I've read something that he was pressured to do these shows. From my understanding, these shows wouldn't eXist if it wasn't for Disney+. But once he got the opportunity to do these shows, Marvel Studios pretty much went overload. I think thats the problem, neither Disney/Feige held back from producing so much content until fatigue finally set in with the audience.

They're new to TV, so given their prior success maybe he thought it would be fine. Or maybe he didn't and Bob Chapek didn't care. Who knows. It doesn't really matter either way it went, cause Disney wanted D+ content, so they were going to have to make content regardless if he was happy about it or not.

 

[Venom 1988]

Isn't he in a good position to say fewer projects would be better though? Based from the reports, I don't think I've read something that he was pressured to do these shows.

No. He's in a very good position to make a case for fewer projects but at the end of the day it's his boss that decides. And in the MCU Reign book, it does allude to the idea that both Iger and Chapek wanted a steady flow of content for Disney+ from Marvel. But both things can be true. Feige could have wanted to dip is toe into TV while at the same time be pressured to do more and more.

 

[psylockolussus]

Busy day for Marvel news

Marvel's What If? Season 2 Trailer Previews Multiversal Cameos, Reveals Release Date

A new trailer for Marvel's What If...? Season 2, which releases in December 2023, features characters like Ant-Man, Doctor Strange, and more.

www.superherohype.com

Avengers: The Kang Dynasty Loses Director, Will Instead Focus on Wonder Man and Shang-Chi 2 - Comic Book Movies and Superhero Movie News - SuperHeroHype

Destin Daniel Cretton is no longer directing Avengers: The Kang Dynasty and is instead focusing on Wonder Man and Shang-Chi 2.

www.superherohype.com

Marvel Studios' Fantastic Four Reportedly Casts Pedro Pascal as Reed Richards

Marvel Studios' Fantastic Four reboot has reportedly founds its Reed Richards/Mister Fantastic in The Mandalorian star Pedro Pascal.

www.superherohype.com

Fantastic Four: Javier Bardem Is Reportedly Marvel's Top Choice for Galactus

Marvel Studios is reportedly eyeing No Country for Old Men star Javier Bardem to play Galactus in its upcoming Fantastic Four reboot.

www.superherohype.com

 

[Mysteryman]

Yes, tons of projects. But it's only been real world time a couple of years. The quantity of projects doesn't really have anything to do with that. Most of the content addition has been shows. Movie wise, we have only had 11 movies, and we're into the 2nd phase of Saga. Perhaps there is a perception that we have been in this Saga longer cause of the shows, but this Saga is going to end up being a good 4 or 5 years shorter than the Infinity Saga was. It's already half over

Half Over, WE HOPE!

 

[Karelia]

Has the casting of Steven Yuen as The Sentry been confirmed?

Will he be playing Bob Reynolds, or is this a completely different take on the character? I really loved that first series featuring The Sentry (Marvel Knights banner) and wondering how drastically different this is going to be from the comic version.

I'll be honest, I don't keep up with Marvel news like I use to, so sorry if this is well known information at this point.

 

[Venom 1988]

Has the casting of Steven Yuen as The Sentry been confirmed?

Will he be playing Bob Reynolds, or is this a completely different take on the character? I really loved that first series featuring The Sentry (Marvel Knights banner) and wondering how drastically different this is going to be from the comic version.

I'll be honest, I don't keep up with Marvel news like I use to, so sorry if this is well known information at this point.

Not confirmed but it seems likely from all reports.

EDIT- Did you ask cause of this?

 

[Iceman]

Busy day for Marvel news

Marvel's What If? Season 2 Trailer Previews Multiversal Cameos, Reveals Release Date

A new trailer for Marvel's What If...? Season 2, which releases in December 2023, features characters like Ant-Man, Doctor Strange, and more.

www.superherohype.com

Avengers: The Kang Dynasty Loses Director, Will Instead Focus on Wonder Man and Shang-Chi 2 - Comic Book Movies and Superhero Movie News - SuperHeroHype

Destin Daniel Cretton is no longer directing Avengers: The Kang Dynasty and is instead focusing on Wonder Man and Shang-Chi 2.

www.superherohype.com

Marvel Studios' Fantastic Four Reportedly Casts Pedro Pascal as Reed Richards

Marvel Studios' Fantastic Four reboot has reportedly founds its Reed Richards/Mister Fantastic in The Mandalorian star Pedro Pascal.

www.superherohype.com

Fantastic Four: Javier Bardem Is Reportedly Marvel's Top Choice for Galactus

Marvel Studios is reportedly eyeing No Country for Old Men star Javier Bardem to play Galactus in its upcoming Fantastic Four reboot.

www.superherohype.com

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[Iceman]

Yes, tons of projects. But it's only been real world time a couple of years. The quantity of projects doesn't really have anything to do with that. Most of the content addition has been shows. Movie wise, we have only had 11 movies, and we're into the 2nd phase of Saga. Perhaps there is a perception that we have been in this Saga longer cause of the shows, but this Saga is going to end up being a good 4 or 5 years shorter than the Infinity Saga was. It's already half over

I think another factor adding to it is that the end of the phase wasn't obvious at all with no big event around it, so it seems like one ongoing phase since Endgame.

 

[Karelia]

Not confirmed but it seems likely from all reports.

EDIT- Did you ask cause of this?

Sure did haha!

 

[Venom 1988]

Sure did haha!

Yea lol it's basically all but confirmed at this point. The Kirman comment just cements it even more.

 

[Batgirl0202]

NeXt year, is going to be a more lowkey year when it comes to Marvel releases. Still a lot of releases, but most of it aren't really must see in my opinion.

• Echo is dropped in 1 day, very early in the year. Lowest episode count too.
• Only 2 MCU movies, unless a 3rd miraculously arrived.
• Sony could still release 3 movies, if Madame Web is ready to go.
• Agatha won't be released until fall.
• Three cartoons - X-Men, Spider-Man and possibly What If?.

Potentially 5 movies, 2 live action shows and 3 cartoons (which i don't really count since its not live action). I'm hoping the Sony films would not contribute more to the Marvel fatigue but I fear they will, as people will see the Marvel logo in them. Echo and Agatha are such non event shows, either people would easily ignore them or if they are bad, people would use it more against Marvel Studios. Marvel Studios really should be selective of what they release now.

This is a good point, something I hadn't really considered before.

We here all understand the different between Marvel Sony and Marvel Disney, but as proud card carrying members of the Geek Squad, it's our job to know stuff like this

However, does the general movie-going audience understand the difference too? I'd wager that a good percentage of them don't, and it's entirely possible that seeing Marvel over and over - both at the movies and on Disney - might be contributing to the "not you again" fatigue, if that is indeed the issue.

Pieces of this have been posted in various threads but figured I'd post it here in

Marvel Delays ‘Deadpool 3,’ ‘Captain America 4’ and ‘Thunderbolts’ in Post-Strike Disney Release Shake-Up

Only Deadpool 3 is coming out in 2024, which given how the strikes have been going, isn't that surprising. Ultimately while it sucks in the short term, long term this is probably for the best given all the fumbles and quality control isssues they've been having.

Agree 100%. It might suck a bit for us fans to only have one MCU theatrical release next year. But in the bigger picture, I think it will be a good thing for audiences to take a breather from the MCU. Absence make the heart grow fonder and all that

 

[Filmfreak]

This is a good point, something I hadn't really considered before.

We here all understand the different between Marvel Sony and Marvel Disney, but as proud card carrying members of the Geek Squad, it's our job to know stuff like this

However, does the general movie-going audience understand the difference too? I'd wager that a good percentage of them don't, and it's entirely possible that seeing Marvel over and over - both at the movies and on Disney - might be contributing to the "not you again" fatigue, if that is indeed the issue.



Agree 100%. It might suck a bit for us fans to only have one MCU theatrical release next year. But in the bigger picture, I think it will be a good thing for audiences to take a breather from the MCU. Absence make the heart grow fonder and all that

I would agree with you if 2025 didn't have four movies and probably three-four TV shows scheduled. Whatever good absence might achieve, having again an overabundance of content the next year is going to take it back big time.

 

[psylockolussus]

Having Madame Web, Kraven and Venom in neXt year, is likely going to cause more damage. Unless those 2/3 are miraculously good but why would I even hope for that with those trailers released and Venom 1/2.

At least El Muerte is likely dead at this point.

 

[BoredGuy]

Yeah, Sony most definitely muddies the Marvel waters
They somehow avoided it with the Fox movies, a lot of "normies" didn't seem to connect them
But Spidey and Venom are so connected, and Madame Web has rip-off Spidey as the villain...

I would agree with you if 2025 didn't have four movies and probably three-four TV shows scheduled. Whatever good absence might achieve, having again an overabundance of content the next year is going to take it back big time.

At this point, I doubt all of that stuff comes out in 2025, maybe 3 movies and two shows, if they get their s**t together

 

[Filmfreak]

Yeah, Sony most definitely muddies the Marvel waters
They somehow avoided it with the Fox movies, a lot of "normies" didn't seem to connect them
But Spidey and Venom are so connected, and Madame Web has rip-off Spidey as the villain...


At this point, I doubt all of that stuff comes out in 2025, maybe 3 movies and two shows, if they get their s**t together

Oh I doubt that too, I'm just talking about the current plan. Though I think in shows we'll see Wonder Man, Ironheart and Daredevil. And three movies after one is still bad scheduling.

 

[Iceman]

Yeah, Sony most definitely muddies the Marvel waters
They somehow avoided it with the Fox movies, a lot of "normies" didn't seem to connect them
But Spidey and Venom are so connected, and Madame Web has rip-off Spidey as the villain...


At this point, I doubt all of that stuff comes out in 2025, maybe 3 movies and two shows, if they get their s**t together

Yeah, I've heard friends and colleagues say things that made it clear they didn't know that the Sony films weren't connected to the MCU films. One even said the Marvel films are getting worse after Morbius.

 

[Mr. Peanut]

Yeah, Sony most definitely muddies the Marvel waters
They somehow avoided it with the Fox movies, a lot of "normies" didn't seem to connect them
But Spidey and Venom are so connected, and Madame Web has rip-off Spidey as the villain...

Well the only Fox movie that felt anything like an MCU movie was Deadpool, which funnily enough got grandfathered into the MCU...

Whereas Sony's spider universe stuff has a weird off-brand MCUness to it, it's obvious they want casual moviegoers to lump Sony Marvel and Disney Marvel together. Hell they even somehow got Disney to agree to allow them to connect Venom and Morbius to the MCU multiverse.

 

[psylockolussus]

Like I've said many times, pause Thunderbolts and Blade and comeback to it, when Marvel Studios is in a better state. Those two, if on track for 2025, wouldn't be doing well at the boX office.

Captain America is already filmed and they could easily release it neXt year and take the loss, rather spending more on it. I'd be surprised if the numbers are suddenly much healthier compare to the Marvels.

Lastly, Fantastic 4 should have been made before Brave New World simply because it was announced first and its the Fantastic 4. Its the only movie from the Back to the Movies 2021 Marvel video, that hasn't been released yet and not even filmed. The fact that the cameras started rolling on Deadpool and Brave New World is a red flag on Marvel's part. Thunderbolts would have been filming by now if it wasn't for the actors' strike as well. I know the original director left but still. They are dedicating their attention to 10 other projects, F4 got lost in the miX.

They need Spider-Man and Avengers more than ever after Deadpool.

 

[Venom 1988]

Like I've said many times

We know. You can continue to say it many more times, it won't change the fact that they're moving forward.

 

[psylockolussus]

We know. You can continue to say it many more times, it won't change the fact that they're moving forward.

And thats going to be the problem, two years from now if we do see Thunderbolts and Blade in cinemas less than 2 years from now. The fact they are simply delaying dates is a problem especially with how disastrous the numbers of The Marvels is getting.

They can move forward by releasing other projects that would see better numbers at the boX office and improve the Marvel brand. Thunderbolts won't be that project. Blade is in a dire shape if we believe the report from Variety. The only glimmer of hope for 2025 is Fantastic 4 which still needs a good lead in which Captain America won't be in 2025.

 

[Venom 1988]

And thats going to be the problem, two years from now if we do see Thunderbolts and Blade in cinemas less than 2 years from now.

Unless you have a crystal ball that I'm not aware of, we don't know that. A lot can happen between then and now.

 

[psylockolussus]

Unless you have a crystal ball that I'm not aware of, we don't know that. A lot can happen between then and now.

Instead of asking me if I have a "crystal ball", what a snide comment from you. I'd like for you to point out how Marvel Studios is suddenly going to bounce back in less than 2 years by keeping that 2025 line up (big emphasis on Thunderbolts/Blade) after a flop that most of us haven't even predicted weeks and months ago.

We are getting 4 Marvel movies neXt year that includes Kraven, Venom and Madame Web which are more likely going to damage the Marvel name than help it. Also MCU Disney+ shows are still moving forward at a fast speed (Wonder Man continuing to film, when there's already four other shows waiting for release).

Well maybe F4 suddenly breaking out in May 2025 would do wonders for Thunderbolts and Blade that mcu films would suddenly gross over $100 million in North America, but why would I think of that possibility when The Marvels had the lowest opening weekend for a MCU film and a record breaking 78% 2nd weekend drop. Also there's a long list of franchises that had a string of hits suddenly flopped and didn't recover (Wizarding World, FoX-Men, DCEU).

 

[Bayne]

Instead of asking me if I have a "crystal ball", what a snide comment from you. I'd like for you to point out how Marvel Studios is suddenly going to bounce back in less than 2 years by keeping that 2025 line up (big emphasis on Thunderbolts/Blade) after a flop that most of us haven't even predicted weeks and months ago.

We are getting 4 Marvel movies neXt year that includes Kraven, Venom and Madame Web which are more likely going to damage the Marvel name than help it. Also MCU Disney+ shows are still moving forward at a fast speed (Wonder Man continuing to film, when there's already four other shows waiting for release).

Well maybe F4 suddenly breaking out in May 2025 would do wonders for Thunderbolts and Blade that mcu films would suddenly gross over $100 million in North America, but why would I think of that possibility when The Marvels had the lowest opening weekend for a MCU film and a record breaking 78% 2nd weekend drop. Also there's a long list of franchises that had a string of hits suddenly flopped and didn't recover (Wizarding World, FoX-Men, DCEU).

No matter how much some small number of comics fans desperately want to believe otherwise, there's no actually rational reason to believe F4 is any more likely to be a breakout hit than Thunderbolts or Blade.

The F4 haven't been the top of the comics heap in decades and they've never been a real hit in any other media. The MCU F4 is arguably a riskier project than Thunderbolts since Thunderbolts stars well-liked characters like Bucky and Yelena while F4 has to erase people's memory of Fan4stic before it can even start to get people to like it.

 

[Mr. Peanut]

I'd say Captain America 4 is the safest of the 2025 films. Wakanda Forever showed that the general audience is at least potentially willing to accept legacy versions of popular franchises. As long as they properly market CA4 as a sequel to the other CA movies and stick to the established tone and iconography and whatnot, it should do fine.

Fantastic 4, Blade, and Thunderbolts are all new franchises, which is much shakier ground to be on, as Marvel has been struggling to get people invested in its newer stuff. Right now it's like there's a cutoff after Black Panther, where that was the last new MCU franchise that people got truly and deeply invested in.

 

[DyeLorean]

I'm surprised there hasn't been more movement with Shang-Chi. There they had a newcomer that was well received and haven't done anything with it since. They are making it hard for us to care for the new characters if they don't show us more of them. Three Iron Man movies, three Cap movies, three Thor's... is not a coincidence that we are so attached to those.