Arrow The Matt Ryan/ John Constantine thread

[batdude]

Well, they may be deciding which show to bring him back on. I think he will show up on Legends as well as Arrow. Not sure about Flash or Supergirl.

 

[NotNickFury]

Arrow or Legends would make the most sense, particularly given how Arrow keeps name-dropping him and with Legends, I think he'd make a good fit with the time travel aspect. Would just depend on Matt Ryan's schedule, how the universe as a whole is affected, if at all, by the Season 2 finale of The Flash, and really, if there are good writers for Constantine's character.

 

[metaphysician]

I suspect it will more depend on which show has a "need magic consulting" plot first. From a superhero perspective, that's basically what Constantine is: a consultant to call in when dealing with funky magical stuff, if you don't have anyone safer on speed dial.

 

[Joe Von Zombie]

Matt Ryan is Constantine in the Justice League Dark animated movie.

 

[metaphysician]

I don't think that's going to effect his odds of reappearing on the CW one way or the other, though.

 

[Joe Von Zombie]

It's clear even DC wants him and that is better than nothing

 

[famicommander]

I wish they'd give more characters their own CW Seed animated shows, like Vixen. Constantine, Atom, Firestorm, Martian Manhunter, Vibe, etc would all be good candidates. A chance to give their characters some more back story.

 

[KidFlash6969]

I hope there's some truth to the rumor that the CW is debating replacing their Vampire Diaries spot with Constantine...

The supernatural dark magic stuff is right up the CW's alley (Ex. charmed, supernatural etc) and I wood really like to see Constantine introduce the justice league dark side to the DC universe

 

[BlueLanternKal]

It's clear even DC wants him and that is better than nothing

Pretty much, I've even been reading Hellblazer Rebirth in Ryan's Welsh accent even though canonically Constantine has had a Scouse accent.

The impact he's had on the character in the short amount of time he got with it is huge.

I really hope DC keeps Matt Ryan to play John in some capacity or other.

Berlanti should find a competent, more "adult" showrunner for Hellblazer and give Matt Ryan steady work.

 

[famicommander]

There's no room on CW for a sixth DC show right now. Flash, Supergirl, Arrow, Legends, and iZombie are enough.

And if they were going to give another character a show, it probably wouldn't be John Constantine. Based on the candidates that currently exist in the Arrowverse, I'd reckon a Birds of Prey or Superman spinoff would be a lot more profitable.

The best we can hope for is for Constantine to be a recurring/regular character on one of the Arrowverse shows that's still running. Or one of those Arrowverse-wide deals like Black Canary, Merlyn, Jay Garrick, and Captain Cold got.

 

[Nathan]

Isn't one of their shows on the CW coming to an end? It was either Vampire Diaries or Supernatural. Constantine would be perfect to fill that open slot.

 

[famicommander]

Isn't one of their shows on the CW coming to an end? It was either Vampire Diaries or Supernatural. Constantine would be perfect to fill that open slot.

It's Vampire Diaries, but they aren't going to fill its spot with another DC show.

CW has 10 hours of programming to play with in a given week

There has to be a split between Warner shows and CBS shows on the network. It doesn't have to be 50/50 but CBS needs at least 2-3 hours of it per week. The goal is 50/50, though.

Warner shows on CW (fall/spring only):
The Flash
Arrow
iZombie
Supergirl
Legends of Tomorrow
The 100
Supernatural
The Originals
The Vampire Diaries
Riverdale
Frequency

CBS shows on CW:
Reign
Jane the Virgin
Crazy ex-Girlfriend
No Tomorrow

There's no guarantee that it would be a Warner show replacing Vampire Diaries, first off. And even if it were, it's very unlikely that Warner would go for a sixth full-hour DC Comics show.

 

[BlueLanternKal]

It's Vampire Diaries, but they aren't going to fill its spot with another DC show.

CW has 10 hours of programming to play with in a given week

There has to be a split between Warner shows and CBS shows on the network. It doesn't have to be 50/50 but CBS needs at least 2-3 hours of it per week. The goal is 50/50, though.

Warner shows on CW (fall/spring only):
The Flash
Arrow
iZombie
Supergirl
Legends of Tomorrow
The 100
Supernatural
The Originals
The Vampire Diaries
Riverdale
Frequency

CBS shows on CW:
Reign
Jane the Virgin
Crazy ex-Girlfriend
No Tomorrow

There's no guarantee that it would be a Warner show replacing Vampire Diaries, first off. And even if it were, it's very unlikely that Warner would go for a sixth full-hour DC Comics show.

They can get rid of Vampire Twilight whatever whatever or one of it's spinoffs and get someone outside of the YA wheelhouse to show run a Constantine show starring Matt Ryan and rebranded as Hell Blazer to disassociate from the NBC show.

This would work. Put the show on at a later time slot because the audience you're going for will be slightly older than the other DC shows.

Berlanti would be throwing out a golden opportunity here. Especially because he doesn't need to back door pilot the character through other shows like Arrow. He already exists in the universe.

 

[famicommander]

-CW doesn't have any later timeslots. They get 8:00 and 9:00 PM. Two hours every week night and nothing more. The local affiliates get the rest.

-If CW had wanted the show they could have saved it in the first place. They didn't. It didn't perform well enough on NBC for ANY other network to pick it up.

-There's very little chance that a hypothetical first season of a new Constantine show would be more profitable than another season of a currently running show, eg Originals, Supernatural, iZombie, etc. Much of CW's revenue model relies on high episode counts for syndication, streaming, international sales, DVD/BluRay/digital sales, etc. This is why shows in their third or fifth seasons will be renewed with ratings much lower than new shows.

-Again, very little chance Warner wants to put all their eggs in the DC basket. Six DC shows when there is a theoretical maximum of 7 or 8 Warner shows on the entire network is a massive risk for Warner. And again, in the highly unlikely event that they want another DC show, there are much more high profile candidates that don't already have a recent failure on their resumes like Birds of Prey, Superman, Martian Manhunter, etc.

 

[BlueLanternKal]

-CW doesn't have any later timeslots. They get 8:00 and 9:00 PM. Two hours every week night and nothing more. The local affiliates get the rest.

-If CW had wanted the show they could have saved it in the first place. They didn't. It didn't perform well enough on NBC for ANY other network to pick it up.

-There's very little chance that a hypothetical first season of a new Constantine show would be more profitable than another season of a currently running show, eg Originals, Supernatural, iZombie, etc. Much of CW's revenue model relies on high episode counts for syndication, streaming, international sales, DVD/BluRay/digital sales, etc. This is why shows in their third or fifth seasons will be renewed with ratings much lower than new shows.

-Again, very little chance Warner wants to put all their eggs in the DC basket. Six DC shows when there is a theoretical maximum of 7 or 8 Warner shows on the entire network is a massive risk for Warner. And again, in the highly unlikely event that they want another DC show, there are much more high profile candidates that don't already have a recent failure on their resumes like Birds of Prey, Superman, Martian Manhunter, etc.

Be honest, you just want a BoP show. I love Supes, but I don't want a CW Supes spinoff. Too similar to Supergirl. Same goes for MMH. BoP can exist on LoT just like the JSA and LoD.

Johnny Con-Job can bring in Swamp Thing and Zatanna. Something the other shows can't without a major tone shift.

So yeah, I'll take a Hell Blazer show before any of the ones you listed. And like I said before, WB doesn't have to waste time or money setting it up.

 

[famicommander]

It's not about what I want. If it were up to me we'd have a real Batman show instead of Gotham, and Aquaman would have his own show too. And while we're at it, I'd kill off Superman, move Supergirl's National City to Earth 1, suit up John Wesley Shipp as his original 90s Flash character, redeem Ted Grant, etc.

It's about what makes financial sense. And a Constantine show makes very little, for the reasons already stated.

You could set up a Birds of Prey show very easily with pre-existing Arrowverse characters. Felicity in the Oracle role, then take your choice of the other female characters already running around in the multiverse: White Canary, Black Canary (or some alternate version), Katana, Speedy, Hawkgirl, either of two Vixens, Harbinger, a reformed Huntress, etc. Wouldn't be any more difficult than Superman or Constantine.

 

[famicommander]

Guess what I saw on the back of the Aquaman comic I bought today?

They haven't actually put it on the site for sale yet but, much like with Lucifer and iZombie hitting Blu Ray, Warner Archives has come to the rescue

Fans have a chance to really send a message to WB/DC about how much we want to see more of Matt Ryan's Constantine in the Arrowverse. Don't waste it.

 

[Slade W]

Nice. Credit to the Arrow higher-ups and Amell for playing their part in getting Constantine into the Arrow universe.

 

[cronosred]

Looks like an Oct. 4th release.


http://tvshowsondvd.com/news/Constantine-The-Complete-Series/22651

 

[famicommander]

About time.

Now I just need them to release a compilation of all the Arrowverse web series (Vixen, Blood Rush, Chronicles of Cisco, the upcoming Ray series, etc) on Blu Ray.

 

[Micromind]

About time.

Now I just need them to release a compilation of all the Arrowverse web series (Vixen, Blood Rush, Chronicles of Cisco, the upcoming Ray series, etc) on Blu Ray.

Wow, they finally released it in Bluray / DVD format, was not expecting it, Nice.

Is Constantine also available on Netflix ?

 

[Joe Von Zombie]

Wow, they finally released it in Bluray / DVD format, was not expecting it, Nice.

Is Constantine also available on Netflix ?

Its on CW Seed which is free.
http://www.cwseed.com/shows/constantine/non-est-asylum/?play=65a94d34-cbb2-43a5-af48-c770a794b2e6

 

[hellblazer103]

Tbh, I don't really want an even more neutered John Constantine on CW ( if they didn't even let him smoke onscreen in Arrow, there's no way in hell they'd half the **** that goes down in Hellblazer happen ) . Better off making a new series on HBO or even AMC ( to go along with Preacher , making AMC " The Vertigo Network " as opposed to CW being " The DC Network " ) . I'd love to see Matt Ryan return for this role either way, though.

 

[NotNickFury]

Yeah, CW is more dominated by DC proper, but iZombie is DC Vertigo, so that paired with Constantine would still be two Vertigo series

 

[batdude]

Well, Id like to see him on the other Arrowverse shows at least. It might be better on HBO or AMC for a solo show, but I'd rather we kept Matt Ryan on whatever channel gets it