The McCain Thread

[StorminNorman]

3. he wants to shut down 78% of the coal mines in the country.

Yes - because Biden saying that coal is not okay in America and Obama saying he is going to bankrupt the coal industries sure hurt that ticket.

 

[Ironfan72]

Age
Palin
Bush policies

 

[TheFuture]

1)Palin/Media- I use the combination due to what it descended into. The media originally rightfully highlighted certain decisions she made as governor of Alaska such as the librarian incident and her very conservative right wing ideals. But then it descended into farcical incidents such as her "fashion sense", involving her family and painting her as some kind of Monster in contrast to Michelle Obama. The media basically destroyed her for wrong and right reasons.

2)McCains Age- I honestly feel middle America were scared of the potential situation of Sarah Palin becoming President of the United States.

3)Negative Republican Campaign coupled with Obama's PR team making every negative move by the Republicans an embarrassment for McCain.

 

[Raiden]

1) Bush: Having a wildly unpopular president who has low approval rating and 8 years of voter fatique of his administration clearly hindered McCain. It is why McCain tried to argue that he's different from Bush despite the fact that he voted 90% for Bush's bills, and decided not to invite Bush for the GOP convention.

2) Economy: Bank failures, bearish Stock Market, rising foreclosures & unemployment, and falling dollars all created enormous anxiety among the voters. It even eclipsed Iraq & Afghan wars as the #1 voter concern, and during the election year (to paraphase Caville) "It's the economy, stupid!"

3) Palin: Although she energized the conservative base, she clearly hurt McCain on his strength (experience), alienated independents and swing voters, and her barrage of scandals and missteps ended up hurting McCain more than helping him. It also didn't help when she started to distance herself from him during the waning days of the campaign. She also highlighted the problem of McCain's age, since voters clearly don't want the possibility of her becoming the prez.

Honorable mentions: Dirty campaign, and Joe the Plumber.

 

[StrainedEyes]

Yes - because Biden saying that coal is not okay in America and Obama saying he is going to bankrupt the coal industries sure hurt that ticket.

That's not what he said.

 

[SuBe]

That's not what he said.

Then, what did he say?

 

[StorminNorman]

That's not what he said.

So if somebody wants to build a coal-powered plant, they can. It's just that it will bankrupt them because they're going to be charged a huge sum for all that greenhouse gas that's being emitted.

 

[Addendum]

So will McCain tell Obama his plan for getting Bin-Laden?

 

[UltimateJustin]

The reasons McCain lost, in top three format, are as follows:

He is a republican. People are sick and tired of these guys. These individuals, mostly white and rich, have ruined the country and rolled back the clock on what little social progress we, as a country and a nation, had achieved. Republicans are basically reactionaries, pro-racism and big business.

Sarah Palin was a bad choice. Sure, she looks like a hot aunt, but just as such, there is no where to go with her, and she can't be trusted. She lacks substance as a VP choice and was a pontential liability to her country, she doesn't even know major supreme court decisions; I know two.

McCain is a war "hero" (oxy-MORON alert).. In this day in age, we don't want to think about Iraq, much less Vietnam. Please. I think we've had enough wars, thanks, but stop by next time you want to unload a couple trillion dollars of debt on us. Oh, you all ready have? Get out.

 

[Nivek]

McCain talking about Nuclear Power plants in a positive manner as far as energy goes. Anyone who lives near a working plant will be the first to tell people of the risks of living near that kind of sleeping monster. I grew up across the river from Indian Point in NY, and that place scared the hell out of the residents with all the glitches, leaks, and emergency shut downs, especially after Chernobyl. You live near a place that has Meltdown warning sirens, you have a different opinion of Nuclear Energy.

The Coal plant thing is just obvious. We are trying to find cleaner energy, burning carbon in smokestacks doesn't even look environmentally safe. We are trying to find more efficent energy, not push the same carbon crap that is making things worse.

 

[StorminNorman]

The reasons McCain lost, in top three format, are as follows:

He is a republican. People are sick and tired of these guys. These individuals, mostly white and rich, have ruined the country and rolled back the clock on what little social progress we, as a country and a nation, had achieved. Republicans are basically reactionaries, pro-racism and big business.

I am going to ignore the complete and utter stupidity of your "Republicans are pro-racism" comments, but him being a Republican obviously wasn't a sole factor in McCain's defeat because he was LEADING polls a few months ago and the Republican name isn't any dirtier today, nor is McCain any more Republican than he was then.

McCain is a war "hero" (oxy-MORON alert).. In this day in age, we don't want to think about Iraq, much less Vietnam. Please. I think we've had enough wars, thanks, but stop by next time you want to unload a couple trillion dollars of debt on us. Oh, you all ready have? Get out.

Oxy-MORON? Are you implying that you can't have war heroes? Are you implying that anyone who fights for this country ISN'T a hero? Are you implying a man who CHOOSE to keep himself in HELL, being tortured and broken and beaten because he didn't want to leave men behind - that ISN'T a hero? You are pathetic.

McCain talking about Nuclear Power plants in a positive manner as far as energy goes. Anyone who lives near a working plant will be the first to tell people of the risks of living near that kind of sleeping monster. I grew up across the river from Indian Point in NY, and that place scared the hell out of the residents with all the glitches, leaks, and emergency shut downs, especially after Chernobyl. You live near a place that has Meltdown warning sirens, you have a different opinion of Nuclear Energy.

The Coal plant thing is just obvious. We are trying to find cleaner energy, burning carbon in smokestacks doesn't even look environmentally safe. We are trying to find more efficent energy, not push the same carbon crap that is making things worse.

Except I believe most Americans WANT Nuclear Power since its a clean and efficient way to power America and to reduce our need of oil and coal. France is powered by Nuclear Energy and is an energy initiative we MUST utilize.

You can't say you want to find "more efficient energy" then coal and then bash nuclear power.

 

[UltimateJustin]

I am going to ignore the complete and utter stupidity of your "Republicans are pro-racism" comments, but him being a Republican obviously wasn't a sole factor in McCain's defeat because he was LEADING polls a few months ago and the Republican name isn't any dirtier today, nor is McCain any more Republican than he was then.



Oxy-MORON? Are you implying that you can't have war heroes? Are you implying that anyone who fights for this country ISN'T a hero? Are you implying a man who CHOOSE to keep himself in HELL, being tortured and broken and beaten because he didn't want to leave men behind - that ISN'T a hero? You are pathetic.



Except I believe most Americans WANT Nuclear Power since its a clean and efficient way to power America and to reduce our need of oil and coal. France is powered by Nuclear Energy and is an energy initiative we MUST utilize.

You can't say you want to find "more efficient energy" then coal and then bash nuclear power.

You don't think we over-glorify war in this country? Eight years of a war president sending us to wars like it was going out of style (which it is, by the way) and you see heroes returning? I see broken souls, shattered bodies, men and women who have had their youth stolen from them by a lying dictater disguised as our leader. I don't want any more of these "heroes", I want our children to survive. I guess I'm "pro-life" in that way. Maybe to you a hero is a pawn in an idiot's failed war, so beaten and mentally uncoiled from the stress that he takes to stealing the lives and soiling the bodies of innocent civilians nearly every day, but that's not my idea of a hero; I'd take Dead Pool over that.

 

[Nivek]

Except I believe most Americans WANT Nuclear Power since its a clean and efficient way to power America and to reduce our need of oil and coal. France is powered by Nuclear Energy and is an energy initiative we MUST utilize.

You can't say you want to find "more efficient energy" then coal and then bash nuclear power.

Once again, I grew up near a major nuclear power plant in NY (Indian Point, look it up), calling nuclear power "Clean and Safe" is like calling Britney Spears "Clean and Safe". Do you live anywhere near a nuclear power plant, Normie? I have first hand exsperience to go on, and if Americans are looking into getting plants like that, they need to consol with communities in the shadow of one of these plants. It scares the hell out of you to hear those test sirens. It may make more energy, and some countries like france use them more efficently, but it's very, very dangerous and affords no screw ups.

 

[Anjow1060]

The reasons McCain lost, in top three format, are as follows:

He is a republican. People are sick and tired of these guys. These individuals, mostly white and rich, have ruined the country and rolled back the clock on what little social progress we, as a country and a nation, had achieved. Republicans are basically reactionaries, pro-racism and big business.

Sarah Palin was a bad choice. Sure, she looks like a hot aunt, but just as such, there is no where to go with her, and she can't be trusted. She lacks substance as a VP choice and was a pontential liability to her country, she doesn't even know major supreme court decisions; I know two.

McCain is a war "hero" (oxy-MORON alert).. In this day in age, we don't want to think about Iraq, much less Vietnam. Please. I think we've had enough wars, thanks, but stop by next time you want to unload a couple trillion dollars of debt on us. Oh, you all ready have? Get out.

Psssst. I'm a conservative republican and I am none of what you listed above.

And while I respect your views and opinions on those things, even falsely labeling me, do us all a favor and shut your mouth when it comes to speaking ill about War Heroes.

- Jow

 

[Moviefan2k4]

1) He sat "on the fence" on some very important issues, such as abortion and gay marriage. He said he would only approve abortion if the pregnancy was the result of rape, or if it were endangering the mother's life. While those limits are commendable in some ways, I personally believe that he should've made up his mind 100%, to be either for abortion or against it. His "halfway" stance certainly made me uncomfortable, and I suspect a large number of Americans likely agreed with me.

2) His age definitely played a factor. I don't know the stats, but I think McCain would've come very close to becoming the oldest President in U.S. history, if not actually being so. People generally want to know that their President will survive long enough to finish his term, and I suppose there were voters who didn't feel too confident about it.

3) Sarah Palin was probably a factor as well. Now, to be clear, I think she would've made a great Vice President, ready to rip the guts out of corrupted politics. But her lack of experience probably made people think that if McCain were to die, she'd become President, and folks weren't sure what to think about that.

 

[Carcharodon]

3) Sarah Palin was probably a factor as well. Now, to be clear, I think she would've made a great Vice President, ready to rip the guts out of corrupted politics.

Just after, you know...she got done dealing with her own corruption.

 

[StorminNorman]

Once again, I grew up near a major nuclear power plant in NY (Indian Point, look it up), calling nuclear power "Clean and Safe" is like calling Britney Spears "Clean and Safe". Do you live anywhere near a nuclear power plant, Normie? I have first hand exsperience to go on, and if Americans are looking into getting plants like that, they need to consol with communities in the shadow of one of these plants. It scares the hell out of you to hear those test sirens. It may make more energy, and some countries like france use them more efficently, but it's very, very dangerous and affords no screw ups.

I live on the coast of Florida, that doesn't make me an expert on Hurricanes.

http://www.world-nuclear.org/info/inf06.html

You don't think we over-glorify war in this country? Eight years of a war president sending us to wars like it was going out of style (which it is, by the way) and you see heroes returning? I see broken souls, shattered bodies, men and women who have had their youth stolen from them by a lying dictater disguised as our leader. I don't want any more of these "heroes", I want our children to survive. I guess I'm "pro-life" in that way. Maybe to you a hero is a pawn in an idiot's failed war, so beaten and mentally uncoiled from the stress that he takes to stealing the lives and soiling the bodies of innocent civilians nearly every day, but that's not my idea of a hero; I'd take Dead Pool over that.

You are a fool and I question how much experience you actually have with returning veterans. I don't think we over-glorify war, I think we glorify heroes risking their lives to defend and serve our country and we can never over glorify those souls.

I live in a military town, I share my city with a large Navy base with two Air Force bases an hour away - I have seen my share of veterans, I have known many friends who parents have served the country.

The overwhelming majority of our returned warriors are good, strong, proud people. My experience with the Republican Party in my county has shown me that the majority of dedicated and active volunteers for the party who support victory in the wars you bash. These are men that actually no the heat and chaos and power of battle, of combat - and they choose to serve this political party.

Now you can bash the leader who sent this country into these wars, but to devalue the sacrifice of the men and women who serve this country - which is EXACTLY what you are doing - is beyond appalling.

Also, the idea that our brave troops are slaughtering innocent civilians is a disgusting and putrid lie.

 

[The Dude]

#1- Economy. He sat on the fence on most issues and didnot offer up as many policies and programs as Obama. "The fundamentals of our economy are strong."

#2- George Bush and the Republican Party- His voting record of voting with Bush over 90% did him little help when most of the country wants to move away from the unpopualr president and his party.

#3- Sarah Palin- She alienated independents and women's rights activists. He would have been much better with a Mitt Romney for example.

 

[SuBe]

#1- Economy. He sat on the fence on most issues and didnot offer up as many policies and programs as Obama. "The fundamentals of our economy are strong."

#2- George Bush and the Republican Party- His voting record of voting with Bush over 90% did him little help when most of the country wants to move away from the unpopualr president and his party.

#3- Sarah Palin- She alienated independents and women's rights activists. He would have been much better with a Mitt Romney for example.

McCain voted with his party 76% of the time, Obama voted with is party, 97% of the time. The 90% rhetoric is garbage, and George Bush does vote in the United States Senate.

 

[StorminNorman]

Women's rights activists were never voting for McCain.

 

[UltimateJustin]

I'm not saying the vets are to blame for anything, if anything they are the biggest victims in this country, and we all owe them an APOLOGY for not stopping this madness. We need to stop glorifying the disposable heroes, and in turn war will lose its glory. When we acknowledge and accept how ugly war is, we will be closer to perserving peace. That's what I believe in, that's what Superman believes in, that's what America has shown that it is ready to believe in.

 

[The Overlord]

McCain voted with his party 76% of the time, Obama voted with is party, 97% of the time. The 90% rhetoric is garbage, and George Bush does vote in the United States Senate.

But the Democratic party hasn't been supporting a very unpopular President for the last 8 years. Its doesn't matter which of them supported their party the most or the least, what matters is the GOP was very unpopular and the Dems aren't and that hurt McCain.

 

[StorminNorman]

I'm not saying the vets are to blame for anything, if anything they are the biggest victims in this country, and we all owe them an APOLOGY for not stopping this madness. We need to stop glorifying the disposable heroes, and in turn war will lose its glory. When we acknowledge and accept how ugly war is, we will be closer to perserving peace. That's what I believe in, that's what Superman believes in, that's what America has shown that it is ready to believe in.

Well if you and Superman believe it by all means it is clearly the right path.

You take away the threat of war and you paint yourself as the target to every country who is envious of our power and position in the world, a target to every extremist who disagrees with our culture, a target to every thief that wants a piece of our pie.

In an ideal world War is waste of human life.

In the real world War is a terrible necessity.

 

[The Overlord]

Well if you and Superman believe it by all means it is clearly the right path.

You take away the threat of war and you paint yourself as the target to every country who is envious of our power and position in the world, a target to every extremist who disagrees with our culture, a target to every thief that wants a piece of our pie.

In an ideal world War is waste of human life.

In the real world War is a terrible necessity.

Of course war should be an option, but it should be the last options, when the other options haven't worked and it should be planned very careful before it is executed. One shouldn't big to war willy nilly and one should never fight a war on two fronts, unless they can prove beyond a shadow of doubt there is no other option. Bush didn't do any of that and that's one of the reasons his party lost.

Actually, to be fair the Democratic Congress is not very popular either, but they didn't invent enemy countries to invade and thats one of the main issues with conscientious voters.

If weren't that popular, why did the Dems take more seats. the congress may not have been popular (because Bush blocked very attempt they made to change things) but the party itself was still way more popular then the GOP.

 

[UltimateJustin]

But the Democratic party hasn't been supporting a very unpopular President for the last 8 years. Its doesn't matter which of them supported their party the most or the least, what matters is the GOP was very unpopular and the Dems aren't and that hurt McCain.

Actually, to be fair the Democratic Congress is not very popular either, but they didn't invent enemy countries to invade and thats one of the main issues with conscientious voters.