The McCain Thread

[Raiden]

You know, It's a sad shame that McCain's best speech all year was his last speech.

I liked McCain in 2000, I even considered voting for him, But something happend to him after 2000. I don't know what it was but the man sold his soul to the very people that beat him, BushCo, And after that I and many others lost any and all respect we had for him.

Same here. But I think McCain has regained some of my respect with his acceptance speech, where he sounded humble and not bitter and vengeful, like his followers were.

 

[Marx]

The speech was like when Vader killed the emperor and redeemed himself.

I repeat...


Something, something...dark side....something, something...complete.

 

[The Senator]

1) He sat "on the fence" on some very important issues, such as abortion and gay marriage. He said he would only approve abortion if the pregnancy was the result of rape, or if it were endangering the mother's life. While those limits are commendable in some ways, I personally believe that he should've made up his mind 100%, to be either for abortion or against it. His "halfway" stance certainly made me uncomfortable, and I suspect a large number of Americans likely agreed with me.

Which is why more Americans voted for one of the most liberal members of the United States Senate when it comes to abortion and gay rights instead?

I don't think so. This election was about the economy and foreign policy more than anything, and McCain didn't represent what voters were looking for when it came to those two specific issues. Had McCain come out and said that abortion should be illegal and that gay marriage should be banned by the Constitution, I'm willing to bet he would lose by the same margin he already lost by.

 

[rdh007]

You do realize that the Iraqi Government now controls almost the entirety of the county? That attacks on US Troops are dramatically down? That Iraq is now a country of relative peace? That the Iraqi Government has actually met 16 of the 18 benchmarks.

We don't have to wait for Iraq to magically improve military infrastructure. They have already done it.

Stick to Superman and The Dark Knight, you are proving you know little in the area of World Affairs.

Great! Let's go home. Or to Afghanistan where we belong.

 

[Sexecutioner]

Economy
Iraq
$$$

 

[BlackLantern]

also....McCain/Palin did absolutely nothing to court the undecided voters....

 

[SurfDUI]

Age
Bush
No GOP youth movement compared to the left.

He would have beaten Kerry or Edwards

 

[Goddessreicho]

I gotta agree

1. McCain's painfully awful and completely incompetent surrogates and campaign staff
2. The top of the ticket's inability to control their crowds, on the fly. Ex, the let them say ******ed things ON CAMERA and ignored it, whereas Obama stopped the booing immediately with a catchy phrase, "don't boo, vote!"
3. Not able to run a 21 century campaign, too much good ole style not enough flexibility or youth/minority/non-nuclear family/secular push. They missed out on HUGE voting blocks.

 

[kedrell]

1. Economic Meltdown
2. Economic Meltdown
3. Economic Meltdown

He was actually running ahead of Obama until that happened in September. But just about no candidate could have overcome that disaster, especially not with less than 2 months to go until the election.

 

[The Overlord]

You do realize that the Iraqi Government now controls almost the entirety of the county? That attacks on US Troops are dramatically down? That Iraq is now a country of relative peace? That the Iraqi Government has actually met 16 of the 18 benchmarks.

We don't have to wait for Iraq to magically improve military infrastructure. They have already done it.

Stick to Superman and The Dark Knight, you are proving you know little in the area of World Affairs.

So can we leave soon, because this is an expensive and unpopular government venture and we really need the money for the other stuff.

 

[JLBats]

Man in Business Suit at Woodstock: Tsk.

 

[ShadowBoxing]

1) He sat "on the fence" on some very important issues, such as abortion and gay marriage. He said he would only approve abortion if the pregnancy was the result of rape, or if it were endangering the mother's life. While those limits are commendable in some ways, I personally believe that he should've made up his mind 100%, to be either for abortion or against it. His "halfway" stance certainly made me uncomfortable, and I suspect a large number of Americans likely agreed with me.

I think this election proved, on a nation level, these issues are issues people don't really care about. We saw Obama officially return to lunch pale politics. Issues that effect people on a day to day basis, instead of distractions like social outrage issues that really have little to do with anything, frankly.

 

[ShadowBoxing]

Except McCain was leading polls with Bush being Bush and McCain being Republican.

It was Bush's policies that lost the election for him, and his ties to them. The economic crisis was certainly jarring, but McCain certainly could've turned it to his advantage, that is if he wasn't trying to play both sides of the aisle with regards to Bush. McCain came out that Monday morning saying "the fundamentals of our economy were strong", but it wasn't him talking, it was Bush talking through him. That same old philosophy of "different rhetoric" versus "different reality". He couldn't divorce himself from that style of politics, governance, and policies. Sarah Palin, was by extension, another attempt to court those Bush apologists. He couldn't break that cycle. You did see glimmers of hope, he talked about reigning in spending, something Bush never does. He talked about more centrist policies in social issues. He talked about more tempered foreign policy, but it was all neatly wrapped in Bush wrapping paper, to the point where whatever he said was filtered through the Bush doctrines. He couldn't break that cycle and it killed him.

 

[AmazinUncleBen]

1) Bush
2) ****ty economy
3) Never-ending war

 

[Holiday]

Her rallies were bigger than McCain's and packed with women. I'm sure they were older republican women but aI think a lot of women in general would see her as a role model even though she sucked as a vice nominee.

 

[CaptainClown]

I hope women don't see her as a role model. That is like looking at 50 cent as a role model for inner city kids. Hell I will say Sarah made me like Hillary. That is scary.

 

[Mandi-chan]

1.) The hateful and negative campaign-He encouraged it while failing to address the REAL issues that should have been addressed.

2.) Voting with Bush/continuing Bush's plan-Bush ruined this country, and is the reason why the rest of the world came to hate us...why would we want to continue down that path when all it's brought us is harship?

3.) Palin-She was in no way qualified as VP, came across as a superb idiot (a scary one), and I totally disagreed with her on pretty much everything.

I used to be okay with McCain. While I wanted a Democrate to win the election, I started off thinking that it wouldn't be so bad if he won because he used to be more of a middle man than he ended up being by the end of this election.

However, any respect for him that I held at the time died when he picked Palin to be his VP...because it came across that he only picked her in the hopes that Clinton's supporters would hop ship and vote for him instead because of Palin, and I found that insulting...especially the more I learned about the woman.

The nasty campaign that he ran after picking her just made my opinion of him worsen...

But I will admit, that I gained a small amount of respect back for him after his classy speech when Obama won (shame I can't say that McCain's supporters at his speech were unable to be classy too).

I don't hate him (never did) or Palin (I just don't think she was qualified for the job...or her job as gov. since she was investigated for abusing her power and then found guilty of it...but then again, Bush lied to the country and the UN about weapons of mass destruction in order to egg us on to war and got away with it...so I won't be suprised if Palin gets to keep her job too even though I personally don't think that's right)...but I'm thrilled that they didn't win.

 

[\S/JcDc\S/]

1. Economy
2. Palin
3. Obama ran a better campaign (negativity from Mccain just hurt himself really)

 

[Kelly]

That speech, and the fact that it reminded so many people of the OLD john mccain really underscores how John McCain got swallowed by the RIGHT WING MACHINE.

The moment he was finally "free", the likeable McCain came back.

He sold his soul to try to become president by giving in to the forces he used to oppose. And it just came across very badly.

Leave the scummy tactics to the actual scumbags John.

Actually I saw the 2000 McCain come back about October 30, 2008. Unfortunately for him, I voted October 20, 2008.

 

[Matt]

Anyone else think McCain is retiring in 2010? That is when his term is up, right? I can't help but think he will. This election seems to have left him tired, disillusioned, and well...I don't think he liked the person it made him. I think he is probably ready to call it quits.

 

[Bathead]

I agree, I think this is most likely McCain's last hurrah.

 

[ShadowBoxing]

Anyone else think McCain is retiring in 2010? That is when his term is up, right? I can't help but think he will. This election seems to have left him tired, disillusioned, and well...I don't think he liked the person it made him. I think he is probably ready to call it quits.

I agree, I think he's going to retire.

 

[Holiday]

Anyone think McCain might grow a beard like Gore did after he lost?

 

[CaptainClown]

Anyone think McCain might grow a beard like Gore did after he lost?

I would have voted for him if he had a beard.

 

[Raiden]

I would have voted for him if he had a beard.

McCain will look 10 years older if he has a beard.