The McCain Thread

[Kelly]

I'd rather see an unmoderated debate where the two candidates 'talk' in a town hall setting. Obama is a great speaker ... when he's had time to practice. In terms of knowledge and experience and world view, however, he will get stomped by McCain, and he knows it.

Actually knowing Rick Warren, he will ask questions that are not the run of the mill questions. Its not like they will be giving 1 hour speeches each.

 

[lazur]

Actually knowing Rick Warren, he will ask questions that are not the run of the mill questions. Its not like they will be giving 1 hour speeches each.

Hope so ...

(Woot! 5000 posts!)

 

[StorminNorman]

If you ask me though I think McCain should have spent more time coming up with and explaining his own plans on Iraq instead of telling us what, in his opinion, was wrong with Obama's plan.

But...he....did...

 

[fifthfiend]

So wait... the McCain campaign is complaining about someone getting preferential treatment from the media? Seriously? Because wow, that takes balls. By which I mean the kind of balls that have been dutifully licked continually by every single reporter on the Maverickey McMaverick Express Bus to Straighttalkin'ville since his campaign began.

 

[fifthfiend]

Specifically on the op-ed, honestly that this is even a thing is just stupid. Shipley (the NYT op-ed editor) asked the McCain campaign to rewrite their op-ed to define their strategy in Iraq. The thing of this is that McCain's strategy in Iraq is to keep doin' what we're doing. Which would be fine, except that this isn't clear in the original op-ed, because it's ****tily written and too focused on calling Obama a Dumbsy McDumbhead to actually coherently make that point. Which is why it needed to be rewritten.

I mean I know John McCain can't comprehend the notion of a universe where the press doesn't bend over backwards to accommodate his every whim, but in the world the rest of us live in, when the editor of a professional publication hands you criticisms that seem to miss the point of your op-ed, it means you didn't actually make your point, so you need to go back and re-write your **** to actually do that. As opposed to you know, hopping in the Fox News Waaaaahmbulance to cry how those big bad bullies at the NYT are hurtin' you in your precious feelings.

 

[Marx]

Are you kidding, this is a huge gift to the McCain campaign.....they are loving this......lmao. His rebuttal to Obama's is getting FAR MORE play time now, than it would have ever gotten just being in a newspaper. This was a gift.

I never said that this whole thing has benefited McCain. I just think that it was a bad idea by the Times to not publish them. McCain has had several articles in the paper, but they reject this one? That's what I'm questioning.

 

[Superman]

So wait... the McCain campaign is complaining about someone getting preferential treatment from the media? Seriously? Because wow, that takes balls. By which I mean the kind of balls that have been dutifully licked continually by every single reporter on the Maverickey McMaverick Express Bus to Straighttalkin'ville since his campaign began.

Specifically on the op-ed, honestly that this is even a thing is just stupid. Shipley (the NYT op-ed editor) asked the McCain campaign to rewrite their op-ed to define their strategy in Iraq. The thing of this is that McCain's strategy in Iraq is to keep doin' what we're doing. Which would be fine, except that this isn't clear in the original op-ed, because it's ****tily written and too focused on calling Obama a Dumbsy McDumbhead to actually coherently make that point. Which is why it needed to be rewritten.

I mean I know John McCain can't comprehend the notion of a universe where the press doesn't bend over backwards to accommodate his every whim, but in the world the rest of us live in, when the editor of a professional publication hands you criticisms that seem to miss the point of your op-ed, it means you didn't actually make your point, so you need to go back and re-write your **** to actually do that. As opposed to you know, hopping in the Fox News Waaaaahmbulance to cry how those big bad bullies at the NYT are hurtin' you in your precious feelings.

 

[Kelly]

I never said that this whole thing has benefited McCain. I just think that it was a bad idea by the Times to not publish them. McCain has had several articles in the paper, but they reject this one? That's what I'm questioning.

I don't remember, but I think I quoted both you and Matt. I was speaking more to Matt's quote as far as that was concerned.

 

[Matt]

This has nothing to do with bias and you know it so just stop with the attacks.

This has to do with facts. Did the NYTs ask for a piece from them or not? If they did then what did they ask for? If not then I agree, The NYTs should have posted McCain's piece. But I want to know one way or the other with facts, Not here say.

You've already been told that they did not ask for the op-ed pieces. You said you refuse to believe it. Sounds like biases to me.

 

[Addendum]

When McCain was school age, I wonder if he had a similar reaction toward a teacher that asked him to rewrite his paper

 

[DorkyFresh]

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makes me wonder what kind of words McCain uses to describe Obama behind closed doors........"Macaca" maybe?

 

[Marx]

makes me wonder what kind of words McCain uses to describe Obama behind closed doors........"Macaca" maybe?

It really does make one wonder Dorky...

 

[jaguarr]

makes me wonder what kind of words McCain uses to describe Obama behind closed doors........"Macaca" maybe?

Wow. Pretty damning discussion, and I thought Tang did a great job of presenting the facts without becoming overly emotional about it. He also echoes a fear about McCain that I've had from the start and that's his fixation on going to war with Iran. That scares the s**t out of me that anyone would talk about that so nonchalantly as if it would be a walk in the park and that diplomacy shouldn't even really be a part of the equation; as if we have no choice but to war with Iran. That's frightening stuff. Especially when it comes out of the mouth of someone who could potentially be our next Commander In Chief.

jag

 

[Marx]

Is McCain inching toward Pawlenty?
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/07/23/is-mccain-inching-towards-pawlenty/

 

[jaguarr]

Jindal Says He's Not Interested In No. 2 Spot With McCain.

jag

 

[Marx]

Jindal Says He's Not Interested In No. 2 Spot With McCain.

jag

Ohh thank god!

 

[DorkyFresh]

Wow. Pretty damning discussion, and I thought Tang did a great job of presenting the facts without becoming overly emotional about it. He also echoes a fear about McCain that I've had from the start and that's his fixation on going to war with Iran. That scares the s**t out of me that anyone would talk about that so nonchalantly as if it would be a walk in the park and that diplomacy shouldn't even really be a part of the equation; as if we have no choice but to war with Iran. That's frightening stuff. Especially when it comes out of the mouth of someone who could potentially be our next Commander In Chief.

jag

exactly...things like that are why i giggle when people try to bring up McCain's "character" and "integrity" as if they are positive traits of his.

 

[jaguarr]

Ohh thank god!

He will remain the scariest Governor in the U.S. For now.

jag

 

[terry78]

Vanity Fair parodies the NY cover.

http://www.yahoo.com/s/922004

 

[Matt]

Thats a bit of a double edged sword. On one hand, Jindal scares the hell out of me. On the other hand, I think the reason he says no is because he fully expects an Obama win and if Obama does go the route of Carter...we're going to be looking at 8 years of President Jindal come 2012 and frankly, I'd rather see 8 more years of Bush before I'd like to see a nut job like Jindal take the oval office..

 

[Marx]

Thats a bit of a double edged sword. On one hand, Jindal scares the hell out of me. On the other hand, I think the reason he says no is because he fully expects an Obama win and if Obama does go the route of Carter...we're going to be looking at 8 years of President Jindal come 2012.

I have a bag full of stones ready to throw at you for even suggesting such a thing!

 

[Matt]

If a semi-moderate like McCain loses, the Republican Party is going to turn back to the extremist sects that gave them 20 years in control of Congress and more recently, 8 years in the White House. They will see Obama's success and elect a young, energetic, minority, hardcore conservative candidate to run against him. If Obama flops, he will pave the way for President Jindal.

 

[Raiden]

Vanity Fair parodies the NY cover.

http://www.yahoo.com/s/922004

You can see the Vanity Fair cover by following this link.

I think VF's satirical portrayal of McCain holds more truth than New Yorker's. At least McCain really is old, whereas Obama is definitely not a muslim terrorist.

 

[jaguarr]

Jindal will never be President. Simply can't see that happening. He's way too extreme.

jag

 

[DorkyFresh]

more McCain insanity.....oh the joy!



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Reporter: We've talked about the majority of Americans wanting out of Iraq at this point. I wonder at what point do you stop doing what you think is right and you stop doing what the majority of the American people want?

McCain: Well, again, uh...I disagree with what the majority of the American people want.