The McCain Thread

[Superman]

nice try, but the ol' wave your hand this way as a distraction doesn't work anymore.

I'm glad I'm not the only one who sees, and is getting tired of, the Right's Bait and Switch tactic.

 

[StorminNorman]

so basically you haven't watched the video i posted.....gotcha.

Ha, not at all. I have seen it. I have seen it before. I saw most of those clips live. McCain never flip flopped. You mistake showing support for a President during War Time for mistaking complete support of strategy. McCain's statements about making progress in Iraq were true. His statements in 2003 and 2004 about success on the ground in Iraq were true. The majority of the dysfunction, and McCain's call for a troop surge, came after - something the video does not display. The video is what you get when you take a blogger with an agenda, give him 8 years of video and have him make a piece with a purpose.

I could make Obama look like an anti-American racist with the same amount of video, time and interest.

why not? you did.

Show me where I compared McCain's knowledge and experience to that of an average voter?

so basically you haven't watched the video i posted.....i gotcha the first time.

Nothing in that video shows McCain is not qualified to be Commander in Chief.

first polls and statistics aren't important, now you pull them out because it suits your argument. i like how you only mentioned THIS year as if unemployment rates haven't increased since last year.

Fine - want to go back to 2007?

June 154,252,000 146,958,000 7,295,000 4.7% 4.6%
July 154,871,000 147,315,000 7,556,000 4.9% 4.7%
August 153,493,000 146,406,000 7,088,000 4.6% 4.7%
September 153,400,000 146,448,000 6,952,000 4.5% 4.7%
October 153,516,000 146,743,000 6,773,000 4.4% 4.8%
November 154,035,000 147,118,000 6,917,000 4.5% 4.7%
December 153,705,000 146,334,000 7,371,000 4.8% 5.0%
2008 January 152,828,000 144,607,000 8,221,000 5.4% 4.9%
February 152,503,000 144,550,000 7,953,000 5.2% 4.8%
March 153,135,000 145,108,000 8,027,000 5.2% 5.1%
April 153,208,000 145,921,000 7,287,000 4.8% 5.0%
May 154,003,000 145,926,000 8,076,000 5.2% 5.5%The unemployment rate has made little change over the past 12 months, fluctuating between one percentage point.

The biggest boon to the American economy is not unemployment - its energy prices. A crisis Obama has given no valid response to.

Polls shouldn't dictate Presidential policy - I never said polls as a whole don't matter. Further I never said statistic don't matter. When you are dealing with issues such as unemployment - statistics and facts are available and relevant. When dealing with the success in Iraq, the benchmarks made by the Iraqi government are available and relevant. Etc. Etc.

most people disagree with him on the big issues...the ones you named: economy, energy, and the war.

Thats simply untrue. Again - the majority of Americans want to drill, McCain wants to drill. Obama is in the minority there.

The majority doesn't want to raise taxes - McCain is in that majority, Obama is not.

So Obama is the people's choice on the war. McCain is the people's choice on energy and the economy.

i seem to recall you picking specific issues that lend to your argument (gay rights and burning the flag) and excluding the ones that don't (economy and energy).

I never excluded the economy and energy. Why would I when the economy and energy SUPPORT my cause? Obama is in the minority on those issues.

you're right when you say that all issues are important and you can't ignore any of them, however...i was talking about one of the biggest issues while you brought up some of less popular issues. so much for picking and choosing.

You can NOT say that the President must follow the majority opinion of Americans on one issue (in this case the war) and NOT advocated to do the same on every other issue (I intentionally used smaller, less important issues to demonstrate the stupidity of that philosophy). You are the one picking a choosing here, sir - I am the one advocating a President to ignore all polling.

maybe to you, but as you like to point out...different people have different priorities when it comes to the issues.

Thats not even a relevant response to my comment.

yes, you're right when you say the voice of the people is the house.....however, we elect the president to represent our country and that all depends on the candidate's stances on the issues. whatever candidate the majority ends up agreeing with most of the time is going to be elected....so yes, the president is supposed to have his own idea but ultimately he should resemble the majority's ideas, even if it's not exact. so in that sense...the president is elected based on what the majority wants, not because he holds onto his own views. simply holding onto your own views is not enough to get elected....your views must be in line with the majority vote. so yes....it IS a matter of what the majority wants.

We elect the President to lead our country - not to make decisions based on public opinion.

The President has no obligation to have his views reflect those of the majority - nor should he in every case. Now naturally the President will more often than not make policy that is favorable (after all, he was elected by a majority), but it is NOT a requirement. If McCain is elected President, then McCain will continue the war policy he has ran with the entire campaign - its simple as that.

this is the McCain thread and i'm keeping my discussions based on him. if you want to talk about Obama then go for it, but we have a thread made specifically for that reason.

What a lame ass excuse. We are discussing one candidate in comparison to the other - thats what this is coming down to. Obama is every bit as relevant to this conversation as any other topic. Again - you can't debate Presidential candidates in a vacuum. Its an either/or situation here.

 

[StorminNorman]

I'm glad I'm not the only one who sees, and is getting tired of, the Right's Bait and Switch tactic.

Please - when you are discussing Presidential candidates, then every conversation is going to have a mention of the opposition. When it comes to electing a President - its an either/or situation - Obama is every bit as relevant when talking about McCain as McCain is relevant when talking about Obama. It is fair to contrast the two. When a supporter of Obama is calling out McCain on a flaw, then a McCain support can and should point out the same flaw in Obama if it is present. This is simple politics, boys and girls.

 

[DorkyFresh]

What a lame ass excuse. We are discussing one candidate in comparison to the other - thats what this is coming down to.

correction: YOU are discussing one candidate compared to another and this is what YOU'RE bringing it down to. i started off by posting a vid about McCain and only McCain and you brought up Obama when there was no need to, other than to distract and derail. the video didn't mention anything about Obama, yet you brought him up. it's obvious that you feel the need to attack Obama, but discussion on Obama isn't the focus of this thread. i'm not saying people shouldn't talk about Obama in this thread, but i also have the right to NOT talk about Obama and focus solely on McCain.......since you know........this is the McCain thread.

 

[Matt]

I can't count how many times McCain's name is droppd by an Obama supporter to defend Obama with "Well McCain says..." "Or McCain does..." Comeon Dorkyfresh, you're better than that kind of semantic ******** arguing.

 

[StorminNorman]

correction: YOU are discussing one candidate compared to another and this is what YOU'RE bringing it down to. i started off by posting a vid about McCain and only McCain and you brought up Obama when there was no need to, other than to distract and derail. the video didn't mention anything about Obama, yet you brought him up. it's obvious that you feel the need to attack Obama, but discussion on Obama isn't the focus of this thread. i'm not saying people shouldn't talk about Obama in this thread, but i also have the right to NOT talk about Obama and focus solely on McCain.......since you know........this is the McCain thread.

My comment to your post with the video had nothing to do with Obama.

I only mentioned the O word because you brought up Bush - tit for tat, you see.

A McCain thread will involve comparing McCain to Obama - the Obama thread will include comparing Obama to McCain. Again - simple politics.

 

[DorkyFresh]

I can't count how many times McCain's name is droppd by an Obama supporter to defend Obama with "Well McCain says..." "Or McCain does..."

and you're just as free to ignore that sort of talk on McCain on the Obama threads as i am free to ignore Obama talk in the McCain thread. i'll admit that Obama can't help but be brought up in this thread because of the presidential race, however....i, personally (one person), would rather not talk about Obama in a McCain thread the same way i wouldn't want to talk about McCain in an Obama thread. so...feel free to talk about Obama in this thread, just know that i'll respond by saying that i don't want to talk about Obama. i'm here to talk about McCain.

My comment to your post with the video had nothing to do with Obama.

I only mentioned the O word because you brought up Bush - tit for tat, you see.

um......i posted the video and the very first reply was you asking if Obama should support the majority. i didn't mention Bush.

A McCain thread will involve comparing McCain to Obama - the Obama thread will include comparing Obama to McCain. Again - simple politics.

and again, i understand that there WILL be Obama talk in this thread....however, if you're going to discuss McCain with me in this thread then you'll have to stick with McCain and resist the temptation to stray off topic.

 

[StorminNorman]

um......i posted the video and the very first reply was you asking if Obama should support the majority. i didn't mention Bush.

Ha, you are right I did. I misread my own post.

The point I was making, however, had little to do with Obama (I was not bashing Obama in that post) - but simply arguing with your logic. Basically you were criticizing McCain for having an opinion that differed from the majority, somehow implying this indicated he is not fit to be President.

This logic is simply ridiculous considering that Obama (the only other credible candidate) has the same exact problem by having positions that go against the wishes of the majority as well.

You can get all high and mighty with the "oh well don't bring up Obama in a McCain thread" attitude - but it does nothing to rebut the ridiculous nature of your claim about McCain, not to mention your blatant hypocrisy.

and again, i understand that there WILL be Obama talk in this thread....however, if you're going to discuss McCain with me in this thread then you'll have to stick with McCain and resist the temptation to stray off topic.

Its not off topic though! If McCain is a bad Presidential candidate for dare keeping a position he has had for years that has now come out of favor with Americans, then Obama is equally as guilty. That leaves us with two bad Presidential candidates, going by your description.

 

[DorkyFresh]

Basically you were criticizing McCain for having an opinion that differed from the majority, somehow implying this indicated he is not fit to be President.

my first post was simply putting the video up for everyone to see, similar to how theMarx puts his stories up and adds little comments. i think the video shows how hypocritical McCain is and that's the main reason why i put it up. the quote i made with the video was to reiterate how unpopular his view is with the majority IN THAT PARTICULAR ISSUE. i will also maintain my stance that he's not fit to be president, but those reasons have very little to do with Obama and Obama wasn't the topic of discussion. you CAN point out a candidates strengths and flaws without mentioning the other candidate. not everything HAS to be about both candidates.

This logic is simply ridiculous considering that Obama (the only other credible candidate) has the same exact problem by having positions that go against the wishes of the majority as well.

once again...i was referring to one particular issue (the war) and you brought other issues into the discussion. i guess that's why you keep thinking that i'm criticizing McCain on all of the issues instead of just the one i originally posted.

Its not off topic though! If McCain is a bad Presidential candidate for dare keeping a position he has had for years that has now come out of favor with Americans, then Obama is equally as guilty. That leaves us with two bad Presidential candidates, going by your description.

have you ever read a post of mine that says that Obama would be a great president? sorry for my misleading or your assumption...either way, i posted a video about McCain and YOU brought Obama into it. once again (please read carefully this time) i'm not saying you shouldn't or can't talk about Obama. you have the right to steer the conversation in that direction, however...i also have the right to say that i don't want to talk about Obama and keep the attention on McCain. so once again...if you want to McCain it up and start talking about Obama instead of talking about McCain, then go right ahead....but you'll have to do it without me.

 

[StorminNorman]

my first post was simply putting the video up for everyone to see, similar to how theMarx puts his stories up and adds little comments. i think the video shows how hypocritical McCain is and that's the main reason why i put it up. the quote i made with the video was to reiterate how unpopular his view is with the majority IN THAT PARTICULAR ISSUE. i will also maintain my stance that he's not fit to be president, but those reasons have very little to do with Obama and Obama wasn't the topic of discussion. you CAN point out a candidates strengths and flaws without mentioning the other candidate. not everything HAS to be about both candidates.

You stated "More McCain insanity" and then highlighted the fact he admitted that his view on the war went against the majority - the implication was that McCain was wrong to hold this position. You further showed support of that implication further in the argument when you tried to argue the President should mirror the views of his majority. My argument has less to do with defending McCain and everything to do with criticizing that belief. I brought up Obama because the candidate in question had little to do with the point I was making - I reject the notion that ANY President, Republican or Democrat - should make policy based solely on the opinion of the majority of Americans, the most of which are ignorant and uninformed.

Also - that video was made by a political hack that made a video with the intent of showing McCain as a hypocrite, making it completely irrelevant. Again, anyone can take clips from 6 years of footage and make anyone look like anything.

once again...i was referring to one particular issue (the war) and you brought other issues into the discussion. i guess that's why you keep thinking that i'm criticizing McCain on all of the issues instead of just the one i originally posted.

Again - my point has little to do with McCain and more to do with the notion that a President should dictate policy based on polls.

have you ever read a post of mine that says that Obama would be a great president? sorry for my misleading or your assumption...either way, i posted a video about McCain and YOU brought Obama into it. once again (please read carefully this time) i'm not saying you shouldn't or can't talk about Obama. you have the right to steer the conversation in that direction, however...i also have the right to say that i don't want to talk about Obama and keep the attention on McCain. so once again...if you want to McCain it up and start talking about Obama instead of talking about McCain, then go right ahead....but you'll have to do it without me.

You posted a video about McCain and then implied that the fact he disagreed with the majority of Americans on a issue made him a bad politician, or stupid, or something similarly bad. I am not trying to defend McCain by using Obama as much as showing how flawed that idea is using Obama.

Also - you have stated that McCain is not fit to be President. Why is that?

 

[Marx]

Also - you have stated that McCain is not fit to be President. Why is that?

He does have problems remembering things from week to week.

 

[Kelly]

*bites my tongue* you got me energy and drilling, but as far as the deadline...it doesn't really matter. the majority of the WORLD wants us out of Iraq and McCain hasn't shown any signs that he has any plans to pull troops out any time soon. also, i'm sure if you do a quick search you'll find that most polls show the majority against McCain on the economy. the majority being against McCain on 2 out of the 3 biggest issues isn't exactly a good thing for him, but all of this is besides my original point.

Hmmmm...

quick search


IRAQ

According to the poll, 50 percent of the respondents favored a timetable while 49 percent didn't. Here was another close one: 47 percent of those surveyed said they trusted Sen. John McCain, the all-but-official Republican nominee, on Iraq while 45 percent said they trusted Obama.
But when asked whether McCain would make a good commander-in-chief, 72 percent said yes while 25 percent said no.
By comparison, respondents were evenly split at 48 percent on the question of whether Obama would make a good leader of the U.S. military.
However, many analysts believe the election will turn not on Iraq but on the economy. If that holds, then Obama could have the advantage since polling shows him leading McCain on economic issues.
But what's really interesting about this Iraq poll is that it seems to indicate that McCain's position on Iraq isn't as unpopular with voters as it's frequently portrayed.

source: http://www.swamppolitics.com/news/politics/blog/2008/07/mccain_tops_obama_to_lead_mili.html

This months Rasmussen

ECONOMY

http://rasmussenreports.com/

overall on Economy 44% McCain 45% Obama
Balance of Federal Budget tied at 40%
Taxes tied at 43%
Social Security 42% McCain 44% Obama
Healthcare 38% McCain 48% Obama
Government Spending will go up 29% McCain 51% Obama
Government Spending will go down tied at 18%

 

[Marx]

New state polls show good news for McCain
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/07/24/new-state-polls-show-good-news-for-mccain/

 

[StorminNorman]

He does have problems remembering things from week to week.

He has his computer for remembering things.

Wait..he doesn't know how to work one of those either

 

[StorminNorman]

New state polls show good news for McCain
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/07/24/new-state-polls-show-good-news-for-mccain/

Who says running the worst Presidential campaign in modern history hurts you?

 

[Marx]

He has his computer for remembering things.

Wait..he doesn't know how to work one of those either

Yeah...that might be a problem.

 

[DorkyFresh]

You stated "More McCain insanity" and then highlighted the fact he admitted that his view on the war went against the majority - the implication was that McCain was wrong to hold this position. You further showed support of that implication further in the argument when you tried to argue the President should mirror the views of his majority.

please don't twist my words around. i try not to think of things as wrong or right. my point was that McCain denying his support for a war that up till now has essentially been a failure leads me to believe that his military experience means squat, especially considering he was wrong about the order of events between the surge and the Anbar awakening. i understand that the surge played a role, but it's clear to me that McCain is massaging the 'success of the surge' as much as he can in an attempt to make up for the last several years he has or has not been supporting the war, which he seemed to so invested in when it began.

My argument has less to do with defending McCain and everything to do with criticizing that belief. I brought up Obama because the candidate in question had little to do with the point I was making - I reject the notion that ANY President, Republican or Democrat - should make policy based solely on the opinion of the majority of Americans, the most of which are ignorant and uninformed.

i agree that a president shouldn't always follow majority opinion either, but in the case of Iraq i believe he should....considering most of the civilized world (not just America) wants us out of there.

Also - that video was made by a political hack that made a video with the intent of showing McCain as a hypocrite, making it completely irrelevant. Again, anyone can take clips from 6 years of footage and make anyone look like anything.

the video didn't have to do much to succeed in making McCain look like a hypocrite, because McCain IS a hypocrite. he was all for the war for the first years but the moment he said he was against the war it made him a hypocrite. you can NOT deny that.

You posted a video about McCain and then implied that the fact he disagreed with the majority of Americans on a issue made him a bad politician, or stupid, or something similarly bad. I am not trying to defend McCain by using Obama as much as showing how flawed that idea is using Obama.

i think you like to put words in my mouth. i pointed out 2 things that stood out to me...his hypocrisy and his unwillingness to yield to our country's pleas. if you consider that a good thing or a bad thing feel free to go ahead but please don't insinuate that i'm trying to make him look like the devil or anything. i called it insane. take out of that whatever you will, but don't put words in my mouth.

Also - you have stated that McCain is not fit to be President. Why is that?

well theMarx had a good point, hehe. the video i posted fills most of the gap...the other reason being that it seems he's not very good with the economy, where America is hurting most. he advocated the war in Iraq and still supports it despite the fact that it's draining our resources (messing up our economy).

Hmmmm...

quick search


IRAQ


source: http://www.swamppolitics.com/news/politics/blog/2008/07/mccain_tops_obama_to_lead_mili.html

in regards to Iraq, that was a national survey and i said that most of the WORLD wants us out of Iraq. if you can find me an international survey that shows that the world wants us IN Iraq, i'll bite my tongue again.

This months Rasmussen

ECONOMY

http://rasmussenreports.com/

overall on Economy 44% McCain 45% Obama
Balance of Federal Budget tied at 40%
Taxes tied at 43%
Social Security 42% McCain 44% Obama
Healthcare 38% McCain 48% Obama
Government Spending will go up 29% McCain 51% Obama
Government Spending will go down tied at 18%

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25816799/
updated 6:29 p.m. ET, Wed., July. 23, 2008

"The economy is issue No. 1
Also in the poll, the issue of the economy remains the public’s top concern, and it’s an issue that voters want both McCain and Obama to address with their vice-presidential picks. Respondents overwhelmingly think that McCain needs to find a running mate who’s an expert on the economy.

For Obama, meanwhile, they want him to pick an expert in military or foreign affairs — but a close second is an expert on the economy.

The poll also shows that voters don’t have much confidence in either Obama or McCain to get the country’s economy back on track. Twenty-eight percent say they have confidence in Obama, while 17 percent say that of McCain."







then again, this is besides my original point.

 

[Matt]

He has his computer for remembering things.

Wait..he doesn't know how to work one of those either

McCain's number one priority a president would be to keep those darn kids off of his lawn.

 

[Marx]

McCain's number one priority a president would be to keep those darn kids off of his lawn.

 

[StorminNorman]

please don't twist my words around. i try not to think of things as wrong or right. my point was that McCain denying his support for a war that up till now has essentially been a failure leads me to believe that his military experience means squat, especially considering he was wrong about the order of events between the surge and the Anbar awakening. i understand that the surge played a role, but it's clear to me that McCain is massaging the 'success of the surge' as much as he can in an attempt to make up for the last several years he has or has not been supporting the war, which he seemed to so invested in when it began.

McCain has never denied support for this war - he has been critical of the failed strategy used in the war for too long until the surge he long advocated was utilized. There is a big difference there.

You can't "message up" the success of the surge - the surge WAS successful. Period. The results speak for itself. Yes, the Iraqi political aspects were important for maintaining the success of the surge - but without the surge, Iraq would not be in the state it is now.

i agree that a president shouldn't always follow majority opinion either, but in the case of Iraq i believe he should....considering most of the civilized world (not just America) wants us out of there.

The opinion of most of the civilized world is less relevant than the opinion of most Americans - but regardless, again, who gets to decide which issues should follow a majority mandate? You CAN NOT pick and choose issues. The idea that a President shouldn't always follow majority opinion...unless its for an issue you have a real interest in isn't so much logical and laughable.

If the majority of American's elect McCain - almost all of them knowing full well where he stands on the Iraq war - McCain has no mandate to pull out of Iraq. In fact, I would argue, he has a mandate not to.

the video didn't have to do much to succeed in making McCain look like a hypocrite, because McCain IS a hypocrite. he was all for the war for the first years but the moment he said he was against the war it made him a hypocrite. you can NOT deny that.

He was NEVER against the war! He continues to be one of the wars biggest supporters! Period! He was critical of strategy used in the past - and he made that known then - but he always supported the war.

Using a sports analogy - you can support a team but be critical of the play calling. That was McCain to the war.

i think you like to put words in my mouth. i pointed out 2 things that stood out to me...his hypocrisy and his unwillingness to yield to our country's pleas. if you consider that a good thing or a bad thing feel free to go ahead but please don't insinuate that i'm trying to make him look like the devil or anything. i called it insane. take out of that whatever you will, but don't put words in my mouth.

Again - your example of hypocrisy here is nonexistent, unlike Obama's hypocrisy of gun rights, over campaign finance, over warrantless wiretapping, etc.

He is no more unwilling to yield to our country's pleas than Obama is for refusing to support domestic drilling. In fact more people want drilling than they want us to leave Iraq.

Now you are right - I did bring up Obama here, I do so because it shows your own hypocrisy, not because I am trying to distract. You state that you can not support McCain for "hypocrisy" and an unwillingness to yield to our country's pleas...and yet you support Obama.

well theMarx had a good point, hehe. the video i posted fills most of the gap...the other reason being that it seems he's not very good with the economy, where America is hurting most. he advocated the war in Iraq and still supports it despite the fact that it's draining our resources (messing up our economy).

In which way is Obama more skilled in the economy than McCain is?

McCain was named Chairman of the Commerce Committee in 1997 - he does have some experience in the area. If he picks Mitt Romney - he has the most economically suave Presidential candidate in 2008 working with him.

in regards to Iraq, that was a national survey and i said that most of the WORLD wants us out of Iraq. if you can find me an international survey that shows that the world wants us IN Iraq, i'll bite my tongue again.

The President of America should not have his policy dictated by the World. An international survey is even more irrelevant than a domestic survey.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25816799/
updated 6:29 p.m. ET, Wed., July. 23, 2008

"The economy is issue No. 1
Also in the poll, the issue of the economy remains the public’s top concern, and it’s an issue that voters want both McCain and Obama to address with their vice-presidential picks. Respondents overwhelmingly think that McCain needs to find a running mate who’s an expert on the economy.

For Obama, meanwhile, they want him to pick an expert in military or foreign affairs — but a close second is an expert on the economy.

The poll also shows that voters don’t have much confidence in either Obama or McCain to get the country’s economy back on track. Twenty-eight percent say they have confidence in Obama, while 17 percent say that of McCain."

And yet McCain is only 4 points down to Obama - this in spite of running one of the worst and chaotic campaigns in the history of American politics, and Obama running one of the best.

 

[Kelly]

please don't twist my words around. i try not to think of things as wrong or right. my point was that McCain denying his support for a war that up till now has essentially been a failure leads me to believe that his military experience means squat, especially considering he was wrong about the order of events between the surge and the Anbar awakening. i understand that the surge played a role, but it's clear to me that McCain is massaging the 'success of the surge' as much as he can in an attempt to make up for the last several years he has or has not been supporting the war, which he seemed to so invested in when it began.


i agree that a president shouldn't always follow majority opinion either, but in the case of Iraq i believe he should....considering most of the civilized world (not just America) wants us out of there.


the video didn't have to do much to succeed in making McCain look like a hypocrite, because McCain IS a hypocrite. he was all for the war for the first years but the moment he said he was against the war it made him a hypocrite. you can NOT deny that.


i think you like to put words in my mouth. i pointed out 2 things that stood out to me...his hypocrisy and his unwillingness to yield to our country's pleas. if you consider that a good thing or a bad thing feel free to go ahead but please don't insinuate that i'm trying to make him look like the devil or anything. i called it insane. take out of that whatever you will, but don't put words in my mouth.


well theMarx had a good point, hehe. the video i posted fills most of the gap...the other reason being that it seems he's not very good with the economy, where America is hurting most. he advocated the war in Iraq and still supports it despite the fact that it's draining our resources (messing up our economy).




in regards to Iraq, that was a national survey and i said that most of the WORLD wants us out of Iraq. if you can find me an international survey that shows that the world wants us IN Iraq, i'll bite my tongue again.



http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25816799/
updated 6:29 p.m. ET, Wed., July. 23, 2008

"The economy is issue No. 1
Also in the poll, the issue of the economy remains the public’s top concern, and it’s an issue that voters want both McCain and Obama to address with their vice-presidential picks. Respondents overwhelmingly think that McCain needs to find a running mate who’s an expert on the economy.

For Obama, meanwhile, they want him to pick an expert in military or foreign affairs — but a close second is an expert on the economy.

The poll also shows that voters don’t have much confidence in either Obama or McCain to get the country’s economy back on track. Twenty-eight percent say they have confidence in Obama, while 17 percent say that of McCain."







then again, this is besides my original point.

DF, I understand where you are coming from, I'm not trying to prove you wrong by any stretch. I'm simply showing that this is a very close race, and yes the world does want us out of Iraq, but I don't have a poll for that one. The main point as far as that is concerned is the fact that the world isn't voting, Americans are, so it would be kind of stupid not to use a national poll. My problem with this whole campaign, is that neither candidate is proving to me that they are ready to be my president. And according to this poll, they aren't necessarily showing the rest of America either.

To me, Obama is doing a wonderful job of staying general and fluffy, which as history has shown, the American like that. McCain is trying to show substance, but theres just not much there so he has turned to trying to hit Obama on his fluff, but he doesn't have enough substance to make it a clear distinction between him and Obama.

I'm still waiting for substance from either candidate, hopefully I'll see it in the debates, but I have strong doubts that we will even see it there.

 

[Marx]

GOP losing the new media war
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0708/12008.html

 

[Marx]

McCain source: VP announcement not settled
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/07/25/veep.talk/index.html

 

[DorkyFresh]

DF, I understand where you are coming from, I'm not trying to prove you wrong by any stretch. I'm simply showing that this is a very close race, and yes the world does want us out of Iraq, but I don't have a poll for that one. The main point as far as that is concerned is the fact that the world isn't voting, Americans are, so it would be kind of stupid not to use a national poll. My problem with this whole campaign, is that neither candidate is proving to me that they are ready to be my president. And according to this poll, they aren't necessarily showing the rest of America either.

To me, Obama is doing a wonderful job of staying general and fluffy, which as history has shown, the American like that. McCain is trying to show substance, but theres just not much there so he has turned to trying to hit Obama on his fluff, but he doesn't have enough substance to make it a clear distinction between him and Obama.

I'm still waiting for substance from either candidate, hopefully I'll see it in the debates, but I have strong doubts that we will even see it there.

Kel.....i'm actually in full agreement with you on this one. yay! i pretty much feel the same way. this IS a close race but neither candidate has shown me enough to prove that either will do a good job as president. however, i'm biased against McCain simply because he's been advocating and supporting almost everything that's been going on for the last several years.

 

[Marx]

McCain: Bin Laden could face Nuremberg-like justice
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/07/25/mccain-bin-laden-could-face-nuremberg-like-justice/