The McCain Thread

[Superman]

But Obama has painted himself in a corner. Anything that could possibly be contrued as an attack by McCain and company will be used to the fullest extent that it can be used as ammunition against him.

Let McCain attack him. It will just show that, Like Bush, McCain will use any frivolous subject to steer away from the real issues facing the US.

I think, I hope anyway, That the people are starting to see these attacks for what they are and are getting tired of them. It's the old Bait & Switch tactic that Bush was so fond of using. McCain keeps saying he's nothing like Bush and that he wants to elevate the process but then he turns around and continues to prove on a daily basis that he's no better than Bush.

I hope the people will see through McCain's BS and see him for what he truly is, McBush.

 

[Superman]

Classy

A perfect example of my point above. It's nonsense like this that's going to kill McCain in the end.

 

[kainedamo]

If McCain's attack gets Obama to respond by attacking - McCain wins.

Hahaha I love this logic.

Would that include an on stage debate? Is Obama not allowed to point out McCain's flaws?

Overall Obama should avoid negative campaign tactics. But once they're on stage, Obama should let loose.

 

[kainedamo]

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[kainedamo]

[YT]JqUBD-Vzjfo[/YT]

I definately agree with these guys.

There seems to be a pattern amongst some anti-Obama people. Obama is damned if he does, damned if he doesn't.

Some of the same people that would criticize Obama for NOT visiting those troops, would be the first people to criticize him for visiting them, using them as "political props".

 

[Superman]

I definately agree with these guys.

There seems to be a pattern amongst some anti-Obama people. Obama is damned if he does, damned if he doesn't.

Some of the same people that would criticize Obama for NOT visiting those troops, would be the first people to criticize him for visiting them, using them as "political props".

The politicization of wounded troops is exactly why Obama canceled the visit in the first place.

After the Pentagon told Obama that it would consider the visit a political event and that he couldn't take Scott Gration, His military adviser who also works on his campaign, Obama decided to canceled the visit to keep from politicizing the troops.

Plus the press wasn't even scheduled to go with Obama when he went to the military hospital. Hell they're not even allowed to go, The military won't let the press go like that and McCain know's it.

Apparently McCain has no problem politicizing the troops and making them "political props".

 

[Marx]

Let McCain attack him. It will just show that, Like Bush, McCain will use any frivolous subject to steer away from the real issues facing the US.

I think, I hope anyway, That the people are starting to see these attacks for what they are and are getting tired of them. It's the old Bait & Switch tactic that Bush was so fond of using. McCain keeps saying he's nothing like Bush and that he wants to elevate the process but then he turns around and continues to prove on a daily basis that he's no better than Bush.

I hope the people will see through McCain's BS and see him for what he truly is, McBush.

That is my hope too Supe!

Hahaha I love this logic.

Would that include an on stage debate? Is Obama not allowed to point out McCain's flaws?

Overall Obama should avoid negative campaign tactics. But once they're on stage, Obama should let loose.

There is a clear difference in pointing out obvious flaws and spinning the mills to your advantage. I believe that is what Norm is referring to.

 

[Marx]

Did McCain 'flip' on affirmative action measure?
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/07/27/obama-mccain-flipped-on-affirmative-action/

 

[Marx]

Ben Stein says John McCain needs Karl Rove's help
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/07/27/preston.mccain/index.html

 

[Doomed_hero]

i just don't get it. Obama cancels the trip so it does not turn seeing the troops into a political gain. And then McCain attacks him with a false lie seeing how cameras werent really the issue, and uses the troops for politcal gain.(not to mention those people Obama was playing basketball with, where servicemen) I belive Obama will come out and say something that contradicts McCain's ad and McCain will call it a attack and jump all over him. I really wish people will see through it, but most will belive the ad rather then check the facts.

 

[Kelly]

I'm not really sure of the facts on this matter. The military and Obama's camp seem to have differing stories.

I do think that it is stupid that McCain is using this in one of his ads.

 

[Doomed_hero]

Ben Stein says John McCain needs Karl Rove's help
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/07/27/preston.mccain/index.html

Ben stien has become less and less relavent to me, like lately when he referred to Obama as Hitler. I am not sure if Rove could help or hurt. On one hand he proved he can get a unpopular president with no real direction elected. On the other, the tactics he used seem to be looked down on more and Obama, in term of popularity, is no Kerry.

 

[Sandman138]

Stein still thinks that Woodward and Bernstein should burn in hell for Watergate.

 

[rdh007]

Win Ben Stein's Money brought us Jimmy Kimmel. I think we all probably need to remember that.

 

[The Senator]

Stein still thinks that Woodward and Bernstein should burn in hell for Watergate.

Stein also believes that an all-knowing magical Finger in the sky created everything in the universe and that science is the most evil, incorrect invention of man to ever exist. So, naturally, it's hard for me to take someone like him seriously.

 

[lazur]

Ugh, I'm still trying to figure out how this got turned around from Obama. Isn't anyone else concerned that Obama wouldn't visit the troops unless cameras came along? This seems like a legitimate concern to raise in a campaign...

 

[The Senator]

Ugh, I'm still trying to figure out how this got turned around from Obama. Isn't anyone else concerned that Obama wouldn't visit the troops unless cameras came along? This seems like a legitimate concern to raise in a campaign...

I don't really consider this a legitimate concern, because Obama would find himself criticized regardless of what he did. McCain would criticize Obama for visiting the troops instead of focusing on domestic issues in the United States, like he did last week when Obama went abroad. Moreover, McCain would criticize Obama for pretending he's the president, like he has several times during the campaign, since constantly visiting the troops is something a President should be concerned about, not a presidential candidate. As far as I'm concerned, visiting the troops once or twice is fine; but I do not think that constant overseas trips to boast about "foreign policy credentials" in the shadow of our troops reflects positively on the candidate.

Also, I find it interesting that McCain has visited the troops on multiple occasions with the cameras all around him, yet there's little criticism of McCain for that...

 

[jaguarr]

LOL! I'm going to punch you in the face repeatedly, but if you fight back at all or try to hit me back then everyone will think you are a giant ***** and a hypocrite.



jag

 

[Matt]

To be fair...Ben Stein is a pretty brilliant guy. I may not agree with him on everything, but lets not sell his intelligence short, here.

Plus he is absolutely right in this particular situation.

"Mr. McCain is running the absolute most pathetic campaign I have ever seen in my whole life," Stein said in his unmistakable monotone delivery. "His campaign is just heartbreakingly pathetic. He is a very impressive guy. He is a brave guy, but he is running the most lackluster campaign I have ever seen in my entire life. I would have thought Bob Dole's campaign would have set a record for poor campaigns, but this one is even worse. I mean it is shocking."

Can anyone really disagree with that? The only reason McCain is still in this race is because Obama is making mistakes every now and then (bitter-gate, Reverend Wright, the drawn out primary, not visiting the troop hospital, the recent flip-flops, etc). Not to mention he is fairly far left in a time when partisan divide is pretty heavy and splits the country pretty evenly. A moderate candidate like Mark Warner, John Edwards, or even Bill Clinton would be leading McCain by a good 20 points right now. This election should be a lot easier than Obama is making it, but I digress, I've drifted off topic a bit. Stein is right. Rove, love him or hate him (hell, I personally think he is a wretched excuse for a human being), is a brilliant campaign strategist. If McCain wants any chance at victory, he needs to do a total overhaul of his strategy and team, and that means bringing in the authority on GOP campaigns, Karl Rove.

 

[The Overlord]

Ugh, I'm still trying to figure out how this got turned around from Obama. Isn't anyone else concerned that Obama wouldn't visit the troops unless cameras came along? This seems like a legitimate concern to raise in a campaign...

1. The cameras would have followed him any way, so what was he supposed to do?

2. The FBI said visting the troops would have been seen as political, so that's why he didn't do it.

But hey, don't let facts get in the way of you trying to swiftboat him.

To be fair...Ben Stein is a pretty brilliant guy. I may not agree with him on everything, but lets not sell his intelligence short, here.

He's been acting like a child recently though, his latest movie was smug and so filled logical flaws (believing in evolution is akin to being a nazi) he deserves to be treated to be treat like an idiot. he should start acting smart, if he wants to be taken seriously.

 

[The Senator]

To be fair...Ben Stein is a pretty brilliant guy. I may not agree with him on everything, but lets not sell his intelligence short, here.

He may be a very intelligent economist-lawyer-journalist-actor-writer-game show host, but his recent crusades against science, along with many of his nonsensical anti-liberal tirades, prove to me that he knows his star is fading and that he's willing to say or do anything for attention. I have little respect for someone like that, and if I don't have respect for him personally, then I find it hard to take anything he says seriously.

 

[Matt]

1. The cameras would have followed him any way, so what was he supposed to do?

2. The FBI said visting the troops would have been seen as political, so that's why he didn't do it.

But hey, don't let facts get in the way of you trying to swiftboat him.

1) There are ways to keep cameras out of buildings. Shutting the door for one.

2) As if his entire European tour wasn't? Everything Obama does is political, same with McCain. Obama knew he would've recieved a less than stellar greeting from the troops so he opted out. I'm not going to cast judgement on that one way or the other, but if Lazur is trying to swift boat him, than you are trying to build up some false, saintly image of him as if he did not visit because he was concerned of their welfare and what the commotion of a visit from him would do to them.

He's been acting like a child recently though, his latest movie was smug and so filled logical flaws (believing in evolution is akin to being a nazi) he deserves to be treated to be treat like an idiot. he should start acting smart, if he wants to be taken seriously.

Never the less, in this particular case, he is right.

 

[Matt]

He may be a very intelligent economist-lawyer-journalist-actor-writer-game show host, but his recent crusades against science, along with many of his nonsensical anti-liberal tirades, prove to me that he knows his star is fading and that he's willing to say or do anything for attention. I have little respect for someone like that, and if I don't have respect for him personally, then I find it hard to take anything he says seriously.

Wait, when did Ben Stein ever have any real star power to begin with?

But still jman, personal dislike aside, see how I editted my post. In this particular case, he has hit the nail on the head.

 

[The Senator]

If McCain wants any chance at victory, he needs to do a total overhaul of his strategy and team, and that means bringing in the authority on GOP campaigns, Karl Rove.

Karl Rove went from being a brilliant strategist to a miserable failure in a two-year time period. We saw how irrelevant Rove was during the 2006 elections, and how Americans are not buying into the Christofascist, faux-conservatism he perpetuated years ago. Making Rove one of McCain's strategist would be a disaster in that respect. It would also hurt McCain's image in the eyes of the independent voters, who see Rove as a symbol of the Bush administration. For a candidate who already gets enough criticism for associating with Bush, making Rove your campaign strategist would be an absolute disaster.

 

[StorminNorman]

McCain is running one of the most incompetent campaigns in the history of modern politics - that being said, there are far more intelligent and successful campaign strategists than Karl Rove.