The McCain Thread

[StorminNorman]

Well, I don't know if it is definitely Portman. Considering Mitt Romney doesn't have a home state (he's disliked immensely in Massachusetts and he can barely call Michigan "Mitt Country"), McCain can pretty much make the announcement anywhere he pleases. Also, since McCain is apparently spending one of the following days in Pennsylvania, Tom Ridge could also be in the running. But Portman would make the most sense, considering Ohio is his homestate and he is an economic expert in that economically-stagnant state.

So I'm guessing Portman, Romney and Ridge are the top contenders.

I would have little problem with Portman really, but I think he is risky because of his connections with George W.

 

[Chris B]

I think Romney odds of getting picked will skyrocket if Obama ends up going with Biden. McCain is going to need someone who will be able to go toe-to-toe with him in the VP debate, and Pawlenty and Portman aren't going to cut it.

 

[The Senator]

I think Romney odds of getting picked will skyrocket if Obama ends up going with Biden. McCain is going to need someone who will be able to go toe-to-toe with him in the VP debate, and Pawlenty and Portman aren't going to cut it.

I would love to see Biden own Romney if he tries saying something ridiculous like "the Democrats support Islamofascism and Jihad" like he did when he withdrew from the primary. Biden is a master of quips and rebuttals, he's probably the only person who can put Romney in his place.

 

[Marx]

I think Romney odds of getting picked will skyrocket if Obama ends up going with Biden. McCain is going to need someone who will be able to go toe-to-toe with him in the VP debate, and Pawlenty and Portman aren't going to cut it.

I would love to see a Biden/Romney VP debate! That would be amusing!

 

[Chris B]

I would love to see Biden own Romney if he tries saying something ridiculous like "the Democrats support Islamofascism and Jihad" like he did when he withdrew from the primary. Biden is a master of quips and rebuttals, he's probably the only person who can put Romney in his place.

The look on Romney's face would be pretty priceless. t:

 

[Überlibran]

If Wright was personally addressing any men who acted hostile to him - that is one thing, that would be comparable.

Wright was painting an entire race with an evil brush - McCain was not.

When you use a racial epithet like McCain did, it's not just an insult to those you're talking about, it's an insult to the entire race.

 

[Kelly]

When you use a racial epithet like McCain did, it's not just an insult to those you're talking about, it's an insult to the entire race.

You mean I'm supposed to get mad every time someone is called a "cracker", or anytime a woman is called a "b****".....damn.

 

[jaguarr]

You mean I'm supposed to get mad every time someone is called a "cracker", or anytime a woman is called a "b****".....damn.

Or when someone calls a white woman a "cracka b1tch"?



jag

 

[Überlibran]

You mean I'm supposed to get mad every time someone is called a "cracker", or anytime a woman is called a "b****".....damn.

Of course not, people vary on what they consider offensive according to their backgrounds and their beliefs. To me calling anyone who is not a member of said minority a 'g**k,' 'n****r', 'k*ke' or f*g' etc., in a demeaning manner is offensive. But if someone believes that you shouldn't get worked up about such things, that also means someone can't turn around and find offense at other things which suits their convenience.

 

[Überlibran]

An interesting article on McCain by a former classmate and fellow POW of his: http://www.military.com/opinion/0,15202,164859_1,00.html . It's an interesting read if you can get beyond the title. And it's old too (from March) so I apologize in advance and agree to be flogged with a cat o' ninetails if it's been posted before.

 

[kainedamo]

If Wright was personally addressing any men who acted hostile to him - that is one thing, that would be comparable.

Wright was painting an entire race with an evil brush - McCain was not.

There's Norman twisting the facts.

Wright was talking about the government.

 

[StorminNorman]

McCain up by 5 in Zogby Poll:

By John Whitesides, Political Correspondent

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - In a sharp turnaround, Republican John McCain has opened a 5-point lead on Democrat Barack Obama in the U.S. presidential race and is seen as a stronger manager of the economy, according to a Reuters/Zogby poll released on Wednesday.

McCain leads Obama among likely U.S. voters by 46 percent to 41 percent, wiping out Obama's solid 7-point advantage in July and taking his first lead in the monthly Reuters/Zogby poll.

The reversal follows a month of attacks by McCain, who has questioned Obama's experience, criticized his opposition to most new offshore oil drilling and mocked his overseas trip.

The poll was taken Thursday through Saturday as Obama wrapped up a weeklong vacation in Hawaii that ceded the political spotlight to McCain, who seized on Russia's invasion of Georgia to emphasize his foreign policy views.

"There is no doubt the campaign to discredit Obama is paying off for McCain right now," pollster John Zogby said. "This is a significant ebb for Obama."

McCain now has a 9-point edge, 49 percent to 40 percent, over Obama on the critical question of who would be the best manager of the economy -- an issue nearly half of voters said was their top concern in the November 4 presidential election.

That margin reversed Obama's 4-point edge last month on the economy over McCain, an Arizona senator and former Vietnam prisoner of war who has admitted a lack of economic expertise and shows far greater interest in foreign and military policy.

McCain has been on the offensive against Obama during the last month over energy concerns, with polls showing strong majorities supporting his call for an expansion of offshore oil drilling as gasoline prices hover near $4 a gallon.

Obama had opposed new offshore drilling, but said recently he would support a limited expansion as part of a comprehensive energy program.

That was one of several recent policy shifts for Obama, as he positions himself for the general election battle. But Zogby said the changes could be taking a toll on Obama's support, particularly among Democrats and self-described liberals.

"That hairline difference between nuance and what appears to be flip-flopping is hurting him with liberal voters," Zogby said.

Obama's support among Democrats fell 9 percentage points this month to 74 percent, while McCain has the backing of 81 percent of Republicans. Support for Obama, an Illinois senator, fell 12 percentage points among liberals, with 10 percent of liberals still undecided compared to 9 percent of conservatives.

OBAMA NEEDS TO WORK ON BASE

"Conservatives were supposed to be the bigger problem for McCain," Zogby said. "Obama still has work to do on his base. At this point McCain seems to be doing a better job with his."

The dip in support for Obama, who would be the first black U.S. president, cut across demographic and ideological lines. He slipped among Catholics, born-again Christians, women, independents and younger voters. He retained the support of more than 90 percent of black voters.

"There were no wild swings, there isn't one group that is radically different than last month or even two months ago. It was just a steady decline for Obama across the board," Zogby said.

Obama's support among voters between the ages of 18 and 29, which had been one of his strengths, slipped 12 percentage points to 52 percent. McCain, who will turn 72 next week, was winning 40 percent of younger voters.

"Those are not the numbers Obama needs to win," Zogby said about Americans under 30. The 47-year-old is counting on a strong turnout among young voters, a key bloc of support during his primary battle with New York Sen. Hillary Clinton.

It made little difference when independent candidate Ralph Nader and Libertarian Party candidate Bob Barr, who are both trying to add their names to state ballots.

McCain still held a 5-point edge over Obama, 44 percent to 39 percent, when all four names were included. Barr earned 3 percent and Nader 2 percent.

Most national polls have given Obama a narrow lead over McCain throughout the summer. In the Reuters/Zogby poll, Obama had a 5-point lead in June, shortly after he clinched the Democratic nomination, and an 8-point lead on McCain in May.

The telephone poll of 1,089 likely voters had a margin of error of 3 percentage points.

The poll was taken as both candidates head into their nominating conventions and the announcements of their choices of vice presidential picks. The Democratic convention begins on Monday in Denver, with the Republican convention opening the next Monday, September 1, in St. Paul, Minnesota.

 

[StorminNorman]

There's Norman twisting the facts.

Wright was talking about the government.

Read Wright's statements - look at the way he used the term "white" when describing people. He preaches that white's in America are keeping the black men in America down...in spite of the fact that he personally is a very wealthy, powerful man...in spite of the fact that Obama is a Presidential candidate...in spite of the fact that Opera is the richest woman on Earth...

His sermons are dripping in racist hatred and to try to argue that fact is not only foolish on your end, but just as pointless for me as it would be arguing the sky is blue.

 

[jaguarr]

An interesting article on McCain by a former classmate and fellow POW of his: http://www.military.com/opinion/0,15202,164859_1,00.html . It's an interesting read if you can get beyond the title. And it's old too (from March) so I apologize in advance and agree to be flogged with a cat o' ninetails if it's been posted before.

I've never seen that before. Thank you for posting it.

jag

 

[kainedamo]

Vet ripping into McCain

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hzr3pdXqZ98

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McCain disses disabled woman

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l0lBN14rTeQ&feature=related

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Protestor removed for "trespassing"

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[Superman]

Did McCain agree that we need a draft? You decide...
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[Superman4ever]

^^EDIT: HAHA beat me to it!

McCain supports reinstating the draft!

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[Superman4ever]

Fellow POW will NOT vote for McCain!

 

[Matt]

There's Norman twisting the facts.

Wright was talking about the government.

Kaine, you did not even know what Wright had actually said until Jman and I copy and pasted it for you. Now you are saying Norman is twisting the facts, when the facts are Wright said "The white man" created the AIDS virus. So unless "The white man," is Wright's way of saying the United States government (and you have nothing to back that up with...YOU are the one twisting the fact.

 

[Matt]

Did McCain agree that we need a draft? You decide...
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^^EDIT: HAHA beat me to it!

McCain supports reinstating the draft!

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McCain should just never speak. Ever.

 

[Spider-Bite]

McCain should pick somebody who knows how to use the internet for his Vice President.

 

[Spider-Bite]

Did McCain agree that we need a draft? You decide...

the last 10 or 15 seonds will make a great ad, but I personally think that when McCain said that, he was referring to his upset over veterans not being treated properly, and not really thinking of the last line.

 

[Lightning Strykez!]

McCain should pick somebody who knows how to use the internet for his Vice President.

Hee hee!

 

[redfirebird2008]

So I wonder if the media will do their usual schilling for McCain and sweep his military draft "I don't disagree" comment under the rug? They've already allowed him to lie about his integrity (cheating on his first wife with current wife Cindy because his first wife wasn't good enough looking after having a car accident), to lie about his opponent repeatedly, and I imagine that they'll continue to allow him to do whatever the hell he wants. Even one of his own advisors admitted early on in this campaign that McCain has had more of a free ride from the media than any politician since Reagan.

 

[Lightning Strykez!]

So I wonder if the media will do their usual schilling for McCain and sweep his military draft "I don't disagree" comment under the rug? They've already allowed him to lie about his integrity (cheating on his first wife with current wife Cindy because his first wife wasn't good enough looking after having a car accident), to lie about his opponent repeatedly, and I imagine that they'll continue to allow him to do whatever the hell he wants. Even one of his own advisors admitted early on in this campaign that McCain has had more of a free ride from the media than any politician since Reagan.

Hey, where the heck have you been?! It's good to see you. up: