The McCain Thread

[Knives]

So I wonder if the media will do their usual schilling for McCain and sweep his military draft "I don't disagree" comment under the rug? They've already allowed him to lie about his integrity (cheating on his first wife with current wife Cindy because his first wife wasn't good enough looking after having a car accident), to lie about his opponent repeatedly, and I imagine that they'll continue to allow him to do whatever the hell he wants. Even one of his own advisors admitted early on in this campaign that McCain has had more of a free ride from the media than any politician since Reagan.

Of course they'll sweep it under the rug. Like they do all his other gaffs. If they bothered to do any bit of fair reporting on McCain, he'd be behind by 20 points in the polls. And Obama of course wont even BOTHER mentioning it since he is completely useless when it comes to attacking McCain (and is therefore is serious danger of losing what should have been an EASY election). If it were me, that draft line would be the focus of a new TV ad played all over the swing states. But of course we will NEVER hear of it again from anybody.

 

[redfirebird2008]

Of course they'll sweep it under the rug. Like they do all his other gaffs. If they bothered to do any bit of fair reporting on McCain, he'd be behind by 20 points in the polls. And Obama of course wont even BOTHER mentioning it since he is completely useless when it comes to attacking McCain (and is therefore is serious danger of losing what should have been an EASY election). If it were me, that draft line would be the focus of a new TV ad played all over the swing states. But of course we will NEVER hear of it again from anybody.

Yeah, unfortunately Obama isn't hitting him back despite all the lies. The latest one I saw was his claim that Obama isn't seeking the Presidency with the country's interest at heart but is seeking it due to personal ambition. Well, golly gee. A politician who's ambitious? Who woulda thunk it? The irony here is that John McCain wrote a book in 2002 in which he stated that his 2000 campaign for President was the result of personal ambition, not out of duty to country, etc. Olbermann even played the audiobook version of McCain reading that quote from the book. Olbermann is the only person in the media that is calling McCain out on his lies. That's not enough, especially when Obama pretty much just sits back and lets McCain do whatever the heck he wants.

http://rawstory.com/news/2008/McCain_admitted_ambition_drove_desire_to_0820.html

 

[Lightning Strykez!]

Frankly I don't understand why Obama isn't hitting back more toughly. I know he doesn't want to compromise his campaign theme but still...

 

[Knives]

Frankly I don't understand why Obama isn't hitting back more toughly. I know he doesn't want to compromise his campaign theme but still...

It truly boggles the mind! He has so much material to use, an dhe just lays there like a lump, getting walked on. Now its ruined his poll numbers. He is going to have to get dirty to win this thing or be the next John Kerry.

 

[redfirebird2008]

It truly boggles the mind! He has so much material to use, an dhe just lays there like a lump, getting walked on. Now its ruined his poll numbers. He is going to have to get dirty to win this thing or be the next John Kerry.

The most frustrating thing about it is that there's a lot of TRUTH to hit McCain with. McCain basically throws wild accusations at Obama every day on the stump in hopes that something will stick. And as usual, it does...because the public is pretty stupid (GWB got re-elected with the same type of campaign tactics McCain is using, so we KNOW the public is dumb enough to fall for this garbage). Apparently it was just fine for the Republicans to tear down John Kerry's war record but John McCain's is off limits, even though from what I've read his war record has been glossed over. Also, his treatment of his first wife, and even his treatment of his second wife (calling her the c-word b/c he can't control his temper when she makes a joke at his expense) calls into question his claims of integrity. His blatant lies in this campaign after claiming he would NOT engage in that type of campaign also calls into question his integrity. His constant flip-flopping calls into question his claims of being a maverick. He's not a maverick, he's a panderer. And yet constantly throughout the Olympics you see him running a campaign ad calling himself the "original maverick." Another thing, that same campaign ad tries to pretend that he's a change from Bush. He's voted 90% in line with Bush's policies. So exactly how is that a maverick and a change from the disasterous current administration? It's not, but Obama won't call him out on it.

 

[redfirebird2008]

This pretty much sums it up:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Oot9IbQxrI

 

[Excel]

RF where the **** have you been? What up

 

[kainedamo]

Frankly I don't understand why Obama isn't hitting back more toughly. I know he doesn't want to compromise his campaign theme but still...

Well, the weird thing is, you have people like Matt that already think Obama is hitting back TOO toughly.

 

[Excel]

Frankly I don't understand why Obama isn't hitting back more toughly. I know he doesn't want to compromise his campaign theme but still...

What happens last is remembered first.

The DNC next week will have a substantial bounce in polls, and after that, as the definitve nominee, I think we'll see the warm yet take no **** Obama we saw earlier in the spring.

 

[kainedamo]

How do you guys feel about Obama's new negative ads?

 

[kainedamo]

Big Lies By Cindy McCain

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Dude makes a good point. Michelle Obama could not get away with that.

Did John McCain Lie About His P.O.W Record?

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[StorminNorman]

Big Lies By Cindy McCain



Dude makes a good point. Michelle Obama could not get away with that.

Did John McCain Lie About His P.O.W Record?

Your going to need something more credible than youtube video's by a group calling themselves "The Young Turks"

 

[Superman4ever]

Big Lies By Cindy McCain
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Dude makes a good point. Michelle Obama could not get away with that.

Nice. This just goes to show that there is NO such thing as a "left-media", if there were they'd press this issue (among a MILE long list of other offenses by this psychotic establishment) further. The McCain campaign is creating lie after lie and is easily getting away with it. It's like they're scared of offending him.

Your going to need something more credible than youtube video's by a group calling themselves "The Young Turks"

How about the Christian Science Monitor? Hm?

http://features.csmonitor.com/polit...-harder-for-politicians-to-stretch-the-truth/

 

[jaguarr]

Good morning, My Friends!!!!!!

jag

 

[The Senator]

Has anyone wondered why John McCain hasn't made his military records public? Something tells me that behind the oh-so-heroic POW story of his, he's hiding a lot of unwanted memories. You know, like all the planes he crashed, all the commanding officers he disobeyed, his temper in general...

These points are something brought up by the Huffington Post a while back, which says that McCain may actually dread an Obama-Clark ticket. Why? Because Clark has a military record which has been examined by the public for years; McCain has a record which has been shrouded in secrecy-- other than the whole "I was tortured" bit we've heard time and time again:

In "If Clark is the VP-choice, Here are Some Contrasts with McCain" (August 16, 2008), there was a list of contrasts to John McCain, each one of which could have been elaborated upon to fill an entire article. Some were military, others character, still others "civilian." By all those accounts McCain pales in comparison to Clark.

It could have been added that Clark had several appointments that required Senate approval. McCain never did. Clark was approved by a voice vote of the Republican-controlled Senate to be Supreme Allied Commander Europe. John McCain was part of that Republican-controlled Senate.

But, the selection of Wesley Clark as Barack Obama's VP running mate will have another consequence that the McCain camp could not survive.

Inevitably, inexorably, indubitably the military records of these two men will be opened, examined, sliced and diced and compared by the press. Enormous pressure will build on McCain to sign a release form that allows access to all his military records, a step he has never taken.

Even George W Bush was pressured into releasing his records, and shame on the Kerry campaign for not pointing out, for example, that Bush checked the "no" box when asked if he would volunteer for overseas duty; that Bush decided for himself not to take a physical, the first airman in military history to determine which regulations he would, and would not, follow, and so on.

The pressure on Bush came from his opponent being a war hero himself.

Despite his imprisonment in North Vietnam, there is reason to believe that McCain's entire military record will not look very good compared to Wes Clark's. Included in such documents will be the planes McCain crashed, his overall behavior and demeanor, comments upon his leadership potential by commanding officers, his temper and other events we can only surmise.

The Republican 527s will, as they did with John Kerry, feel compelled to bring down Wes Clark. After all, he was shot in 4 places while he continued to lead his troops out of harm's way and defeat the attacking Viet Cong contingent for which he was awarded a Silver Star. Clark rose in the ranks to become a 4-star General and, as Supreme Allied Commander Europe, conducted the entire Kosovo war without a single US casualty.

Democratic groups will have no choice but to insist that the sun shine on McCain's record as well.

As McCain's military record is shown not to match up to Clark's, his only appeal for the presidency will fade into the shadows.

 

[redfirebird2008]

Finally Obama is on the attack!

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[jaguarr]

Jman, did you see this link Uberlibrarian shared yesterday?

http://www.military.com/opinion/0,15202,164859_1,00.html

Well worth the read, given your latest post.

jag

 

[Raiden]

Finally Obama is on the attack!

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It's about time. I think his vacation in Hawaii left him vulnerable to McCain's attacks, and this is part of the reason why the polls have him behind McCain right now.

 

[redfirebird2008]

And McCain flip-flops on abortion for about the 200th time in his career:

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2008/08/mccain-backs-aw.html

I don't know if I've ever seen someone switch positions so often. Torture, the economy, abortion, etc. Just about the only thing he's consistent on is something the American public do not support: warmongering. He recently said at a townhall meeting that he "does not disagree at all" with a woman's statement that we need to bring back the draft in order to "chase Bin Laden to the gates of hell."

Obama needs to hit him hard with ads on the draft. Run them all over the country. 80% of this country is against a military draft. The only people who are for it are the die hard right wingers. The 20% who still believe Bush is doing a good job.

 

[jaguarr]

Obama needs to hit him hard with ads on the draft. Run them all over the country.

You want a way to motivate young people to get out and vote? There it is. "Vote for Obama or your ass is going to Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan, Georgia or Russia, whether you want to or not!" Want a way to motivate parents to vote? "John McCain wants to send your child overseas to fight his 100 Year War. *followed by the end of that clip*". McCain handed them a big hammer on a silver platter to hit him with.

jag

 

[StorminNorman]

And McCain flip-flops on abortion for about the 200th time in his career:

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2008/08/mccain-backs-aw.html

I don't know if I've ever seen someone switch positions so often. Torture, the economy, abortion, etc. Just about the only thing he's consistent on is something the American public do not support: warmongering. He recently said at a townhall meeting that he "does not disagree at all" with a woman's statement that we need to bring back the draft in order to "chase Bin Laden to the gates of hell."

Obama needs to hit him hard with ads on the draft. Run them all over the country. 80% of this country is against a military draft. The only people who are for it are the die hard right wingers. The 20% who still believe Bush is doing a good job.

I wish I would take the stand and change that outdated party platform.

 

[redfirebird2008]

You want a way to motivate young people to get out and vote? There it is. "Vote for Obama or your ass is going to Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan, Georgia or Russia, whether you want to or not!" McCain handed them a big hammer on a silver platter to hit him with.

jag

And his recent comment is not the first time he's said it. There's video of him at another campaign event from during the Republican primary where he says something to the effect of, "I want to say something to the young people here. I'm going to ask you to serve. There will be more wars."

He didn't blatantly say there would be a draft, but just 2 days ago he confirmed that he has no problem bringing it back.

 

[redfirebird2008]

https://www.mifire.org/news/Union Leaders Boo McCain.pdf

But he took more questions, including a pointed one on his immigration plan.

McCain responded by saying immigrants were taking jobs nobody else wanted. He offered anybody in the
crowd $50 an hour to pick lettuce in Arizona.

Shouts of protest rose from the crowd, with some accepting McCain's job offer.
"I'll take it!" one man shouted.

McCain insisted none of them would do such menial labor for a complete season. "You can't do it, my
friends."

Some in the crowd said they didn't appreciate McCain questioning their work ethic.

What a dolt. $50 an hour isn't enough to get an American to pick lettuce, eh McRetard? This guy is completely out of touch.

 

[kainedamo]

McCain is very, very dangerous.

 

[kainedamo]

https://www.mifire.org/news/Union Leaders Boo McCain.pdf



What a dolt. $50 an hour isn't enough to get an American to pick lettuce, eh McRetard? This guy is completely out of touch.

Holy crap. $50 an hour?? I've never earned that much.

McCain seems to be saying a string of dumb crap lately. The media needs to play this stuff up. Obama? I'm not sure how negative his ads should be. I mean, a clip of McCain saying this, played repeatidly... it would do a lot of damage.
EDIT: That was from 2006?