The McCain Thread

[bell110]

But you previously said "ANYBODY who goes to church." Now you amend that to "some people who go to church"? Well, which is it? Shall we discount every individual who attends church, or should we analyze each individual to determine whether or not they are "down right whacky"? Which is it?

Yes, only some people who go to church are whacky, but we should discount anybody who goes to church just to be on the safe side.

 

[The Chairman]

McCain's pastor is just big an ******* as Obama's.

What I think is worse in McCain's situation than Obama's is that McCain joined the church to win over the religious right.

 

[Excel]

Who Cares Enough With Peoples Pastors!

 

[Kelly]

Here is the thing with me.....


1. My problem is not with Obama staying at the church for 20 years when his pastor preaches periodically what we have heard. He said he didn't agree....thats good enough for me.

2. My problem is not what Wright believes........he's an American he has the right to believe that, that's why it is great to be an American, you can believe such things, and still walk the streets...*smiles*

3. My problem is the judgement of Obama to put this man as a member of his campaign, knowing (and he has since said that he knew his pastor's thoughts on these subjects) that his pastor preached things that Obama himself calls "wrong and divisive".....not good judgement in my opinion.......and a judgement that is now biting him in the ass. LARGELY .....

4. As far as McCain's pastor......he can believe what he wants as well....who cares? It's his right to do so.......but is he a part of McCain's campaign.....does McCain call him, his spiritual advisor, and as much a part of his family as his grandmother???????

5. Both pastor's are extreme in their beliefs.......but the judgment of the two presidential nominees in this election are very different.


Also, @The Chairman, I could say the same thing about Obama joining his church 20 years ago after moving to Illinois wanting to begin his political career. A man who was raised by white grandparents, from Hawaii, half white, half black.......Hmmmmmmmmmm.....this church in particular would be a major medal of honor among black voters........so, sorry but that argument is weak in my opinion. Also, this is not just something I blew out my ass for todays debate.....it has been discussed in depth among many political analysts...

 

[Tron5000]

Who Cares Enough With Peoples Pastors!

Agreed. Who really cares about the men who spiritually guide and lead the people who want to run this nation?

 

[Excel]

3. My problem is the judgement of Obama to put this man as a member of his campaign, knowing (and he has since said that he knew his pastor's thoughts on these subjects) that his pastor preached things that Obama himself calls "wrong and divisive".....not good judgement in my opinion.......and a judgement that is now biting him in the ass. LARGELY

Which is why I think we should believe Obama when he said he didn't know...he's run an extremely strong, smart, and organized campaign. I am sureif he had known what Wright had said he woulda been gone. It doesnt make any sense.

 

[Excel]

Agreed. Who really cares about the men who spiritually guide and lead the people who want to run this nation?

I can personally gaurentee you McCain and Obama war wayyyyy to strongly minded to be really influenced by what their Pastors tell them.

 

[redfirebird2008]

Kel, to answer your question, McCain has called Parsley his spiritual adviser.

 

[Mr Sparkle]

And we as black people are participating in the killing of our own babies!!! That's not just a "white man" conspiracy. Rev, Wright supports Roe v Wade in one of his rants! It's insane!!

what does this have to do with McCain's pastor?

 

[Mr Sparkle]

4. As far as McCain's pastor......he can believe what he wants as well....who cares? It's his right to do so.......but is he a part of McCain's campaign.....does McCain call him, his spiritual advisor, and as much a part of his family as his grandmother???????

regardless of the official title.
is a person's pastor NOT his spiritual adviser?
if not, then what's the point?

 

[Tron5000]

I can personally gaurentee you McCain and Obama war wayyyyy to strongly minded to be really influenced by what their Pastors tell them.

You can "personally gaurentee [sic]" this? Based on the amount of time you've spent with them on a personal basis?

I can personally guarantee you're full of it.

 

[Excel]

Cool; someone explain me to why we should care about this?? Unless McCain is saying or trying to do the same thing, explain to me what difference it makes.

 

[Goddessreicho]

What about the news with McCain firing the adviser who leaked the Wright video in the first place?

This is not the first time that McCain put his foot down on his own campaign when defending Obama's personal life.

Even I will admit, that's mighty fine of the man. Obama's fellow dem's won't even do that. *coughcough*

 

[Kelly]

Who Cares Enough With Peoples Pastors!

Well, as I have read, and researched this discussion we are having......a picture keeps popping back in my mind, time and time again.......

It is hours before President Bush is about to make the decision to go to war against Iraq in the early 1990's...........it's a hard decision for him, he said that many times........and the picture that was all over the news in those last hours is him arm and arm, with his pastor, in the Rose Garden of the White House discussing this decision privately.........do I want a man that would say "some" of the things he has said from his pulpit, speaking with my president before a huge historical decision.......that causes me to pause.....and wonder......


Barack Obama, is an intelligent, charismatic, learned man........and I have no problem believing that he DOES NOT agree with his pastor, his friend, his spiritual advisor, someone that is as close as family to him.....I have NO PROBLEM believing that he does not agree with him. I wish some could hear the debates I've had with friends over race.

I was so excited to hear his desire to bring the discussion of race relations back to the forefront.....

I was so excited to hear his desire to change America, to bring America together like never before.....

How exciting to finally hear that from a Presidential Candidate.....HOW EXCITING.....

So WHY????? would this man *sighs* have such a huge lapse of judgement to bring a man that goes against all of those things, into the inner circle of his campaign.....WHY?

Let the man say what he wishes from his pulpit......that is his right.....
Let people agree.....that is their right.....

But do not bring a man that preaches from his pulpit, words that you yourself find "wrong and divisive" The ONE WORD, that you have built a campaign around to fight against......WHY? I don't care that he's a friend, I don't care that he's your pastor, I don't care that he's like family....STUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUPID decision......

I have been waiting, and waiting, and waiting for a speech like the one just the other day.......WAITING.... because I knew it would be historical..........but I am disappointed because it was given, not out of passion for discussion, but out of political motives......

I wish this discussion of race, had been under different circumstances....unfortunately it's not..........


I'm disappointed....

 

[Varient]

McCain's pastor is just big an ******* as Obama's.

What I think is worse in McCain's situation than Obama's is that McCain joined the church to win over the religious right.

But it's okay because McCain hasn't been there long enough,...
(Hypocracy here is incredible)

 

[Mr Sparkle]

But it's okay because McCain hasn't been there long enough,...
(Hypocracy here is incredible)

I agree with you.
what the hell? politics make for strange bedfellows.

 

[SuBe]

I agree with you.
what the hell? politics make for strange bedfellows.

Yeah, seriously, ask B. Clinton, E. Spitzer, L. Craig, J. Ryan among many, many others.

 

[Mr Sparkle]

Varient IS a very attractive man.

 

[Varient]

Varient IS a very attractive man.

(chuckle)

 

[Marx]

Lieberman has already said he would not do it.

Though it would be an interesting event.

Firstly, Democrats would lose control over the Senate, wouldn't they? They have a 51-49 control, correct? I'd assume if Lieberman agreed to be McCain's running mate, he'd caucus with the Republicans (hell, the Democrats would throw him out). Making it 50-50 with Cheney breaking ties.

Still, Lieberman would make a horrible choice for McCain. McCain is going to need a young, energetic, charasmatic, minority. Not another old, white, Washington insider.

God help us all.

 

[Spider-Bite]

Why are the secular democrat Obama and secular republican McCain getting wrongly compared to religious freaks?

 

[blackcobra]

I wouldn't call myself a 'conservative'

You are a Conservitve, what are you ashamed of? Your selective hearing is proof enough.

not socially anyway, but the guy was talking about ABORTION

Today, I will expose, perhaps the greatest hypocrisy of this tolerance touting culture (he's talking about america, he's not talking about Bangladesh) and prove to you once and for all, that underneath their smiles of inclusion, lurks the sinister sword of Segregation, Racism and Genocide, Genocide in America!! (I guess your bias and selective ear didn't hear that did it. That's what I thought. Now lets move along).

not a deliberate action on the part of the government to cause 'genocide' to any particular race.

I'm going to quote him again, since you want to have a dishonest conversation.

You and I help pay for everyone of those deaths with our tax dollars, THROUGH GOVERNMENT GRANTS(He's talking about America, not Indonesia)

After 230 years of American History, we realized the priniciple was imperfectly applied in our nation, especially when it came to African Americans. All men are created equal but you couldn't vote, and like Dread Scott would say, you still can't, Dread Scott would say your still nothing more then an animal(talking about Black Americans) and so does Roe VS. Wade (aka US GOVERNMENT).

He pulled out a statistic, which is indeed factual, that 25% of all African American babies have been aborted, thus equating the 'circumstance' to 'genocide'.

Facilitated by the overbearing forces of the US Federal Government, that's what he said. He's anti-american end of story.

He also did not 'insult' America, or make blatantly false accusations about something our country is perceived to have done.

Yes he did, he insulted our laws, that hard working American Men and Women who worked countless hours, to get those laws passed so all Americans can enjoy a better life. He insulted the Government institution of Planned Parentedhood. If he doesn't like what we do here in America, he should leave the Country, we won't miss him.

I do not equate the two, sorry.

I wonder why?

 

[Lightning Strykez!]

I say we don't vote for ANYBODY who goes to church.

There ya go.

 

[The Senator]

You are a Conservitve, what are you ashamed of? Your selective hearing is proof enough.

I think lazur knows what his political ideology is.....

 

[Handsome Rob]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IMaaDbGgsKA&eurl=http://truthabouttrinity.blogspot.com/



Conservatives, please, I want to see all of you renounce, and reject everything this pastor is saying. This is much worst then anything Pastor Wright has said. This is quite chilling. Proof that the so called liberal media is myth.

Well, I disagree with the use of the term "genocide" and any vast conspiracy to kill blacks when talking about a voluntary medical procedure; however, I'm staunchly pro-life. So, I can't technically renounce/reject EVERYTHING he's saying. Is that good enough for you?