The McCain Thread

[StorminNorman]

Ties to Bush on offshore drilling may hurt McCain in the fall
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/06/19/bush.mccain.energy/index.html

...but most American's support offshore drilling. What a stupid artical. If Bush says the sky is blue - it doesn't mean America is going to reject McCain if he agrees.

 

[wolfboy]

to a political noob, he is. however, he has a long, legitamate political and military history.....at least, pre-Bush.

So why does he always make obvious hypocritical remarks? Definite legitimate. Of course he has political and military history. However, that history is one of poor performance. Political noob? Grow up.

 

[StorminNorman]

So why does he always make obvious hypocritical remarks? Definite legitimate. Of course he has political and military history. However, that history is one of poor performance. Political noob? Grow up.

Yes - because Obama hasn't show the slightest sign of hypocracy?

Its not like he has ALREADY gone against a promise he made about his campaign. Its not like he has been accepting the support and money of lobbyist and their ilk while criticizing those very practices. Its not like he has been associated with several people who have legitimate ties to racism, anti-semitism, anti-Americanism and true domestic terrorism.

How has McCain's history been that of poor political performance? He has been an incon of bipartisianship and a man greatly respected by both sides of the isle. Yes - he lost in 2000 to Bush, but that if you believe not gettign a Presidential nomination is a sign of political ineptness, you are not only mistaken - but an idiot.

 

[wolfboy]

I'm not talking about Obama or choosing sides like you are. Go campaign for McCain all you want here and throw childish name calling around. It suits your stance on McCain.

McCain winning nomination was no way an achievement to be impressed about.

 

[The Senator]

I'm not talking about Obama or choosing sides like you are. Go campaign for McCain all you want here and throw childish name calling around. It suits your stance on McCain.

McCain winning nomination was no way an achievement to be impressed about.

Yes, McCain winning the Republican nomination is something 'to be impressed about.' The man ran out of money at one point in the campaign, and as late as last fall, he was polling in fourth place nationally. He pulled a strong comeback towards the end-- perhaps the greatest comeback in modern political history. I am not a McCain fan, but even I am impressed that he defeated money machines such as Mitt Romney and Rudy Giuliani to win the GOP nomination.

 

[Marx]

I don't understand how anyone can vote for McCain. Republican or Democrat, he just seems like a rotten untrustworthy human being.

to a political noob, he is. however, he has a long, legitamate political and military history.....at least, pre-Bush.

So why does he always make obvious hypocritical remarks? Definite legitimate. Of course he has political and military history. However, that history is one of poor performance. Political noob? Grow up.

I'm not talking about Obama or choosing sides like you are. Go campaign for McCain all you want here and throw childish name calling around. It suits your stance on McCain.

McCain winning nomination was no way an achievement to be impressed about.

How about we all elevate the level of maturity in this conversation? DorkyFresh hardly meant that as an insult to you Wolfboy.

A little respect goes a long way!

 

[wolfboy]

How do you know what DorkyFresh means? Respect should go both ways. I wasn't the first to imply insults.

 

[The Senator]

I think the arguing needs to stop on both ends. I'm sick and tired of people acting like children and spending a page insulting each other back and forth, rather than discussing the issues up for debate. Hell, didn't Matt warn people about this? It looks like it has yet to really take effect.

Maybe someone needs to be probated to get the message across...

 

[jaguarr]

How do you know what DorkyFresh means? Respect should go both ways. I wasn't the first to imply insults.

Your existence on this site will be one of anguish and perpetual angst if you don't learn how to chill out a little bit. Dorky's comments were hardly an insult. Trust me, you WILL get insulted on this site, without a doubt. If what Dorky wrote upset you (and I think you read more into it than what he ever intended by far), then you're probably going to have a nervous breakdown if you ever stray into Community. No need to be so combative, man.

jag

 

[jaguarr]

I think the arguing needs to stop on both ends. I'm sick and tired of people acting like children and spending a page insulting each other back and forth, rather than discussing the issues up for debate. Hell, didn't Matt warn people about this? It looks like it has yet to really take effect.

Maybe someone needs to be probated to get the message across...

I agree. Matt, give J. Manspice a couple days off to think about what he's done!

jag

 

[The Senator]

I agree. Matt, give J. Manspice a couple days off to think about what he's done!

jag

Ha! I could use a vacation.

 

[jaguarr]

Ha! I could use a vacation.

We're not here to cater to you! Don't give him probation, Matt!

jag

 

[Marx]

I think the arguing needs to stop on both ends. I'm sick and tired of people acting like children and spending a page insulting each other back and forth, rather than discussing the issues up for debate. Hell, didn't Matt warn people about this? It looks like it has yet to really take effect.

Maybe someone needs to be probated to get the message across...

Maybe. It looks like Matt may have to begin acting on his warning already.

 

[Marx]

So how 'bout that John McCain? He closed the cash gap on Obama in May and his ties to the offshore drilling idea could sink him in the fall...

 

[wolfboy]

Does DorkyFresh have a loyal legion that pops up do defend him despite him being in the wrong? It certainly seems that way. Buddy up all you want. My words are clearly less offensive. I'm not replying because I'm offended. This isn't even a matter of tossing insults back and forth. If you actually read what I wrote instead of blindly defending someone, you can see how level I was being.

 

[The Senator]

Does DorkyFresh have a loyal legion that pops up do defend him despite him being in the wrong? It certainly seems that way. Buddy up all you want. My words are clearly less offensive. I'm not replying because I'm offended. This isn't even a matter of tossing insults back and forth. If you actually read what I wrote instead of blindly defending someone, you can see how level I was being.

Uh, no, DorkyFresh doesn't have a loyal legion of supporters. However, the mindless bickering back and forth is pissing some of us off, and we'd rather it stop ASAP.

 

[Marx]

You know the thing that I found interesting about the article on McCain and the offshore drilling idea is that the article claims that his stance could cause him problems in California...am I missing something?

Who the heck actually believes that John McCain has a chance in California?

 

[jaguarr]

So how 'bout that John McCain? He closed the cash gap on Obama in May and his ties to the offshore drilling idea could sink him in the fall...

I'd say the offshore drilling is just the latest in a string of things that could potentially sink him in the Fall, but it's a nice example of how he panders to the lobbyists. What will be interesting to see is if he can sustain the cash influx. So far he's had one good month. Obama's been on a tear for months on end, now.

Does DorkyFresh have a loyal legion that pops up do defend him despite him being in the wrong? It certainly seems that way. Buddy up all you want. My words are clearly less offensive. I'm not replying because I'm offended. This isn't even a matter of tossing insults back and forth. If you actually read what I wrote instead of blindly defending someone, you can see how level I was being.

No, he doesn't have a loyal legion. I barely know the guy. You're just being overly sensitive and overreacting. Get over it. Welcome to The Hype!

jag

 

[The Senator]

We're not here to cater to you! Don't give him probation, Matt!

jag

Fine! Maybe I'll just go on a voluntary, non-probated vacation instead!

 

[jaguarr]

Fine! Maybe I'll just go on a voluntary, non-probated vacation instead!

No!

jag

 

[The Senator]

You know the thing that I found interesting about the article on McCain and the offshore drilling idea is that the article claims that his stance could cause him problems in California...am I missing something?

Who the heck actually believes that John McCain has a chance in California?

McCain has as good a shot at winning California as Obama does Texas. It's that kind of thinking and planning which could sink his campaign, especially if McCain is having problems in Georgia, Ohio and Alaska, of all places.

 

[Matt]

I think the arguing needs to stop on both ends. I'm sick and tired of people acting like children and spending a page insulting each other back and forth, rather than discussing the issues up for debate. Hell, didn't Matt warn people about this? It looks like it has yet to really take effect.

Maybe someone needs to be probated to get the message across...

I'm thinkin' you're right.

Does DorkyFresh have a loyal legion that pops up do defend him despite him being in the wrong? It certainly seems that way. Buddy up all you want. My words are clearly less offensive. I'm not replying because I'm offended. This isn't even a matter of tossing insults back and forth. If you actually read what I wrote instead of blindly defending someone, you can see how level I was being.

Take a couple days off to read up on my announcement. What Dorkyfresh said was not an insult and you perpetuated this argument. Furthermore, you brought anything on yourself by coming into the JOHN MCCAIN thread and talking about what a "rotten, untrustworthy, human being," and providing nothing to back such comments up. Read my announcement. Particularly the part on higher level of scrutiny and expectations of maturity and apply it when you come back in two days. Wolfboy needs to start acting like a Wolfman, otherwise he will not last long in this section of the Hype.

 

[Marx]

I'd say the offshore drilling is just the latest in a string of things that could potentially sink him in the Fall, but it's a nice example of how he panders to the lobbyists. What will be interesting to see is if he can sustain the cash influx. So far he's had one good month. Obama's been on a tear for months on end, now.
jag

That's true. I'm almost more curious to see how Obama's pulling out of public financing (and his vote for the FISA legislation) is going to affect his campaign. Some of the media are ripping him apart for his decision to abandon PF and there are some hard-left Obama supporters who are in an uproar for his FISA vote.

 

[Marx]

AP: McCain dogged by campaign missteps
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/06/21/ap-mccain-dogged-by-campaign-missteps/

 

[Matt]

AP: McCain dogged by campaign missteps
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/06/21/ap-mccain-dogged-by-campaign-missteps/

McCain had to court the far right in order to win the nomination. However, it will haunt him throughout the election.