The McCain Thread

[Matt]

Its not wrong to say it. Like it or not, public opinion polls indicate a majority of Americans believe Republicans are better for defense than Democrats. Black's comments are true. If Americans felt threatened, they probably would flock behind the war hero as opposed to the guy who says "We should sit down and talk it out." Its not like Black said "Hey, lets bomb a city to make people scared." He said a terrorist attack would help McCain's campaign, whih is not entirely untrue or wrong to say. It was stupid to say in public, but not wrong.

 

[Superman]

Its not wrong to say it. Like it or not, public opinion polls indicate a majority of Americans believe Republicans are better for defense than Democrats. Black's comments are true. If Americans felt threatened, they probably would flock behind the war hero as opposed to the guy who says "We should sit down and talk it out." Its not like Black said "Hey, lets bomb a city to make people scared." He said a terrorist attack would help McCain's campaign, whih is not entirely untrue or wrong to say. It was stupid to say in public, but not wrong.

In your opinion.

 

[DACrowe]

Eh. History shows in times of crisis the public flock around those that are more conservative or will "fight for them," whether that ideology is true or not. I think not, but it does happen. I mean the assassination in Pakistan of Bhutto gave him a surge in the Republican primary. Look how "patriotic" this country became after 9/11...so much so the Democratic Party and worse yet, our press and news media, went with their heads down and followed the Bush administrations series of lies into a needless war.

If that ain't panic and political herding, I don't know what is.

 

[Kelly]

In your opinion.

No, actually polls have consistently shown that Republicans fair better in the debate on "national security" than democrats.

 

[souvlaki]

Newsweek is reporting that John and Cindy McCain failed to pay taxes on a California property for the past four years. This is especially odd considering that the McCains are worth an estimated $100 million, and could easily afford to pay the bill.

After a reporter inquired about the bill with the McCain campaign, they immediately sent San Diego County a check for $6,744.42 -- and even then, they're still short by $1,742.

This is not the first unflattering report about the McCains' finances, by the way. Two weeks ago, it was reported that they were carrying a six-figure credit card debt, compared to the Obamas being debt-free and actually saving up a similar amount for their daughters' college funds.


And the hits just keep on coming with this guy...

 

[rdh007]

No, actually polls have consistently shown that Republicans fair better in the debate on "national security" than democrats.

This is why I believe our public schools to be an utter failure. No person with half a brain would believe that.

 

[Superman]

It just kills me how McCain is again getting a free pass from all of this.

Can you imagine what the Right would be saying if a top Obama advisor had said that Obama would benefit from another terrorist attack? They would be calling for his head and demand that Obama fire that advisor.

All McCain gets is "He should not have said it to a reporter but It's the truth".

The very ideal that they think they MIGHT benefit from and/or use another 9-11 to get elected is sickening.

Then again it dosen't surprise me that McCain would let his people say something like this without firing them. These are the same kind of people that got Bush reelected useing the fear card of 9-11 in 2004, Why wouldn't McCain let them try it again.

Different candidate, Same crap.

 

[rdh007]

that got Bush reelected

These are the key words to your post. We (the good guys) need to learn how to play the game.

 

[Kelly]

This is why I believe our public schools to be an utter failure. No person with half a brain would believe that.

Hmm, lmao. I'm sure we will be best friends rdh.

 

[Kelly]

Double Post

 

[Kelly]

It just kills me how McCain is again getting a free pass from all of this.

Can you imagine what the Right would be saying if a top Obama advisor had said that Obama would benefit from another terrorist attack? They would be calling for his head and demand that Obama fire that advisor.

All McCain gets is "He should not have said it to a reporter but It's the truth".

The very ideal that they think they MIGHT benefit from and/or use another 9-11 to get elected is sickening.

Then again it dosen't surprise me that McCain would let his people say something like this without firing them. These are the same kind of people that got Bush reelected useing the fear card of 9-11 in 2004, Why wouldn't McCain let them try it again.

Different candidate, Same crap.

Damn dude, that's politics. Don't worry McCain will have his problems as well. Both candidates will have their problems throughout the summer. IT'S POLITICS. It's dirty, it's dumb, and its full of asses. That's why is so much fun.


Oh, but yes........today. Poooooor Obama.

 

[Marx]

Clark: Getting 'shot down in a plane' doesn't make McCain qualified
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/06/29/clark.mccain/index.html




(man, I love Wesley Clark!)

 

[Matt]

No, but I would say 20 years in the United States senate does. There are a lot of things to attack McCain on. Qualifications are not one of them. Especially when he opponent is the most underqualified candidate in the history of the modern presidency.

 

[Marx]

No, but I would say 20 years in the United States senate does. There are a lot of things to attack McCain on. Qualifications are not one of them. Especially when he opponent is the most underqualified candidate in the history of the modern presidency.

In no way am I saying that Obama is even remotely qualified to run this country...but McCain has made quite a whoop-de-do about his military service record as though that is all he needs to run the country.

 

[The Chairman]

I have to agree with Clarke. Being tortured for five years does not make him this expert on intelligence.

 

[souvlaki]

No, but I would say 20 years in the United States senate does. There are a lot of things to attack McCain on. Qualifications are not one of them. Especially when he opponent is the most underqualified candidate in the history of the modern presidency.

20 years in the Senate hasn't made him any less of a bumbling idiot on just about every issue during the General Election. It's pretty sad that a candidate with as little experience as Obama actually sounds like he knows what he's talking about when compared to McCain.

 

[Matt]

Granted, he has, but its really not smart for the DNC or their operatives like Clark to attack it. Even if McCain is flaunting his military record he has a safety net to fall back on...his 20 + years in Congress. To say he is not qualified as Clark implied is pretty damn stupid considering Obama's qualifications. The DNC needs to find something better to attack him on because if they keep using terms like "qualified" it will backfire when GOP operatives start defending McCain and say "look at your own candidates qualifications."

 

[Matt]

I have to agree with Clarke. Being tortured for five years does not make him this expert on intelligence.

No, but again, 20 + years in the United States Congress does.

20 years in the Senate hasn't made him any less of a bumbling idiot on just about every issue during the General Election. It's pretty sad that a candidate with as little experience as Obama actually sounds like he knows what he's talking about when compared to McCain.

Being a better public speaker than someone else has little to do with qualifications, wouldn't you agree?

 

[Marx]

Being a better public speaker than someone else has little to do with qualifications, wouldn't you agree?

You know that I agree with you Matt...but you also know that to the alot of voters - it's all in the presentation. (A presentation in which Obama appears to have nailed and McCain is a complete failure.)

 

[Marx]

A McCain win could push Supreme Court right
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25437003/

 

[Zen]

No, but I would say 20 years in the United States senate does. There are a lot of things to attack McCain on. Qualifications are not one of them. Especially when he opponent is the most underqualified candidate in the history of the modern presidency.

Modern presidents have for the most part prety much sucked.

bit of a sacred cow barbecue perhaps but thats just the way i see it.

there are presidents in our nations history with little "experience" on the national stage in politics who went on to be great presidents. many say though that.... that was a different time. well... im tired of the same slackjawed rich white guy doing so little when they get in there.

its entirely possible that Obama will suck as a president. but i think its equally if not exceedingly more possible that McCain will. his "experience" has done NOTHING for him. he mispeaks in the most horrible ways on the issues that should be his strongest points. his economic gimmicks are illustrative of just how lost he is to real domestic problems. What has "experience" given McCain? i see no evidence of it paying off for him or the American public aside from a few bipartisan bills, a couple of which hes completely against or running perpindicular to now.

Im tired of this "experience" veil being lifted and revealing nothing. we can keep touting this pillar of presidential resolve... for no god damn reason. sure we dont want bafoons in there but its a crap shoot reguardless. Bush had more experience than Obama and he was fried gold now wasn't he?

this unexperienced paranoia is funny. because the antithesis doesnt exist... when people are to entrenched in washington politics to get anything done, or worse... get things done for everybody except the god damn American Public at large.

Im going to vote on issues, policy and yes... character. because i also happen to think foreign diplomacy needs to have a comeback... you know, the crap that actually works!?

cue the 'Tea time' pessimists,

whatever, the adults are talking.

...And character will matter in foreign policy. McCain quite frankly, looks like he will be a foreign policy trainwreck.

For all that experience, its telling to see McCain Lock step with bush. the guy is Obama's best ally in this campaign. McCains advisors and his current voting record are his major problems, when they should be his best.

 

[Mr Sparkle]

No, but I would say 20 years in the United States senate does. There are a lot of things to attack McCain on. Qualifications are not one of them. Especially when he opponent is the most underqualified candidate in the history of the modern presidency.

actually, it is precisely the attack they should be making.
especially since McCain WILL tout his stint as a POW as a part of his pitch.
I like the qualification of "history of the modern presidency" so what?
an actor beat out a veteran to control the largest economy in the US, and "experience" was not a factor.

Just ask Gray Davis.

 

[jaguarr]

LOL @ McCain and his so called experience. Doesn't seem to have made him any more qualified that Obama, does it? His "experience" will be used against him in this election and then some.

jag

 

[Matt]

Modern presidents have for the most part prety much sucked.

bit of a sacred cow barbecue perhaps but thats just the way i see it.

there are presidents in our nations history with little "experience" on the national stage in politics who went on to be great presidents. many say though that.... that was a different time. well... im tired of the same slackjawed rich white guy doing so little when they get in there.

its entirely possible that Obama will suck as a president. but i think its equally if not exceedingly more possible that McCain will. his "experience" has done NOTHING for him. he mispeaks in the most horrible ways on the issues that should be his strongest points. his economic gimmicks are illustrative of just how lost he is to real domestic problems. What has "experience" given McCain? i see no evidence of it paying off for him or the American public aside from a few bipartisan bills, a couple of which hes completely against or running perpindicular to now.

Im tired of this "experience" veil being lifted and revealing nothing. we can keep touting this pillar of presidential resolve... for no god damn reason. sure we dont want bafoons in there but its a crap shoot reguardless. Bush had more experience than Obama and he was fried gold now wasn't he?

this unexperienced paranoia is funny. because the antithesis doesnt exist... when people are to entrenched in washington politics to get anything done, or worse... get things done for everybody except the god damn American Public at large.

Im going to vote on issues, policy and yes... character. because i also happen to think foreign diplomacy needs to have a comeback... you know, the crap that actually works!?

cue the 'Tea time' pessimists,

whatever, the adults are talking.

...And character will matter in foreign policy. McCain quite frankly, looks like he will be a foreign policy trainwreck.

For all that experience, its telling to see McCain Lock step with bush. the guy is Obama's best ally in this campaign. McCains advisors and his current voting record are his major problems, when they should be his best.

The only "great" president I can think of with Obama's level of experience (or lack there of) was Lincoln and it was a different time so its not comprabale. Since the modern presideny all of our "great presidents," have been heavily experienced.

Roosevelt 1 - Assisstant Secretary of the Navy, Governor of New York.

Roosevelt 2 - Also Assistant Secretary of Navy and Governor of New York.

Truman - Senator, Vice President.

Eisenhower - Supreme allied commander during WWII.

Kennedy (I don't consider him one of the greats, but some do) - 15 years in Congress, 7 of which were in the Senate.

Johnson - Vice President, Representative, Senator (Majority leader, infact).

Nixon (Some don't consider him great, but if not for Watergate he would probably be considered in the top 3 presidents of all time) - Representative, Senator, Vice President.

Reagan (Again, I don't consider him a great, but some do) - Governor of California for 8 years.

I'm going to leave Bush Sr. and Clinton off the list as there has not been enough time to have proper historical perspective on either.

So those are who are considered the great "modern presidents." All very experienced.

Hell, there are only three presidents I can think of since the "modern era of the presidency," began with such a small ammount of experience that they can be compared to Obama (and all but one of them were more experienced than Obama). There was Woodrow Wilson, whose presidency is considered to be a mixed bag. Some great, some not so much. The other two were Hoover and Carter. Hoover oversaw the Depression and Carter was a complete cluster ****.

I'm not saying experience is a must for the presidency, but it certainly helps. It is no longer a figure-head position. It is a real job and people seem to forget that. I wouldn't hire someone with two years in the accounting division as CEO of my company and I won't vote for someone who is as qualified as I am to be President.

And I am not saying experience will make McCain a great president, by any means. I am not voting for McCain. I am voting against Obama. I do not want him in the White House for numerous reasons I have discussed in the past. I believe a McCain presidency will be nothing more than 4 years of deadlock, and I am willing to endure that for the 8 years of Warner that follow. It is certainly better than 4 years of Democratic control followed by 20 years of a new Reagan-esque era of Republican control with a nutjob like Jindal as the new party figurehead.

 

[SuperT]

McCain may have had 20+ years in the Senate, but from the looks and sounds of it, he still has no idea how to run this country.

He's so out of touch with the mainstream it's embarassing.