The McCain Thread

[StorminNorman]

Checks off #3 on my list of McCain "must do's".

1. Shut up with the slams on everything Obama does.
2. Keep pushing for off-shore drilling/gas tax holiday/alternatives.
3. Move more towards a pull out with military "ok", and change his verbage on Iraq.
4. DO NOT choose Mitt Romney as a running mate.
5. Run for only one term.

Why would you not want Romney?

 

[lazur]

Yes it is a stupid ad because that was Obama shooting hoops with soldiers in Iraq days before.

What????? So??????

He had planned to visit this hospital, the hospital was ready for him to visit.

So, since he already got his video and pics with some soldiers, there was no need to visit the wounded soldiers in Germany?

It was purely a photo op. Obama was wearing khaki's and a collared shirt. If he were really 'playing hoops with the troops' he should have dressed appropriately (ie sweats or shorts and a t-shirt) instead of making it THAT obvious that he was only there momentarily for a photo shoot to help improve his campaign.

Thus, not impressed ... John McCain was right.

 

[Zen]

Kel, why do you support offshore drilling?

why wont oil companies drill where they can? Between 1999 and 2007, the number of drilling permits issued for development of public lands increased by more than 361%. In the last four years, the BLM has issued 10,000 more permits than have been used. That means the oil and gas companies are actually stockpiling extra permits, and that these companies hold leases to nearly 68 million acres that are not in production. and how does this oil help us when its almost definately placed on national markets? how does this help oil independancy? i saw you write in alternatives... but it almost seems an afterthought.


why do you support the gas tax holiday... its 18 cents. and it defunds the highway program. How is that a palpable idea? gas has dropped about 20 cents in many areas and people could basically give a damn if it dropped 20 more.... they are looking for 3 dollar a gallon gas. this does not do it nationally.

 

[jaguarr]

It was purely a photo op. Obama was wearing khaki's and a collared shirt. If he were really 'playing hoops with the troops' he should have dressed appropriately (ie sweats or shorts and a t-shirt) instead of making it THAT obvious that he was only there momentarily for a photo shoot to help improve his campaign.

Thus, not impressed ... John McCain was right.

Or, maybe he was there to visit with the troops and happened to shoot a few baskets while he was there. I don't think he was there to play a full-on pickup game.

jag

 

[StorminNorman]

Kel, why do you support offshore drilling?

why wont oil companies drill where they can? Between 1999 and 2007, the number of drilling permits issued for development of public lands increased by more than 361%. In the last four years, the BLM has issued 10,000 more permits than have been used. That means the oil and gas companies are actually stockpiling extra permits, and that these companies hold leases to nearly 68 million acres that are not in production. and how does this oil help us when its almost definately placed on national markets? how does this help oil independancy? i saw you write in alternatives... but it almost seems an afterthought.


why do you support the gas tax holiday... its 18 cents. and it defunds the highway program. How is that a palpable idea? gas has dropped about 20 cents in many areas and people could basically give a damn if it dropped 20 more.... they are looking for 3 dollar a gallon gas. this does not do it nationally.

Just because an Oil Company has a permit for drilling doesn't mean there is oil there. Thats one of the more ridiculous arguments out there.

 

[Kelly]

Kel, why do you support offshore drilling?

why wont oil companies drill where they can? Between 1999 and 2007, the number of drilling permits issued for development of public lands increased by more than 361%. In the last four years, the BLM has issued 10,000 more permits than have been used. That means the oil and gas companies are actually stockpiling extra permits, and that these companies hold leases to nearly 68 million acres that are not in production. and how does this oil help us when its almost definately placed on national markets? how does this help oil independancy? i saw you write in alternatives... but it almost seems an afterthought.


why do you support the gas tax holiday... its 18 cents. and it defunds the highway program. How is that a palpable idea? gas has dropped about 20 cents in many areas and people could basically give a damn if it dropped 20 more.... they are looking for 3 dollar a gallon gas. this does not do it nationally.

Who said I actually agree with any of those things....I didn't....
Alternatives is something that McCain has been talking about for years, he is probably the greenist Republican out there, AND you have to watch how you put those out there, because a good portion of the population are not all that up on the new alternatives out there, you don't want to put them to sleep, or turn them off. BUT, he should not forget about them either.

Those are what I feel McCain needs to do to win, not necessarily what I agree with.

Actually, I have not written my thoughts on McCain or Obama in this forum, and probably won't.

I believe I posted what I feel Obama needs to do as well in another thread.

 

[Kelly]

It was purely a photo op. Obama was wearing khaki's and a collared shirt. If he were really 'playing hoops with the troops' he should have dressed appropriately (ie sweats or shorts and a t-shirt) instead of making it THAT obvious that he was only there momentarily for a photo shoot to help improve his campaign.

Thus, not impressed ... John McCain was right.

Well of course it was Lazur, so what? John McCain had a photo op with the lady and her child in the supermarket lastweek. He looked totally lost in that grocery store.

And NO, McCain was not right in using that video with his ad.

Do I think Obama was wrong in not visiting those troops in Germany, YES. But, I'm not going to pat McCain on the back for a good job either.

I have no problem with Obama shooting some hoops with the soldiers. What is wrong with that? He loves basketball, they walked into a gym where some soldiers were shooting some hoops, of course he would shoot some with them. I can assure you he was a HELL OF ALOT more comfortable in that gym shooting hoops, than McCain was in that supermarket with that woman and her kid.

They are both politicians Lazur, they both make good and bad decisions, and they both will take every kissing baby photo op they can get.

 

[Matt]

Matt's 691's reason for not voting Obama:

Basketball sucks. "Look at me! I'm 7'3 and I'm running back and forth bouncing a ball!"

 

[jaguarr]

Matt's 691's reason for not voting Obama:

Basketball sucks. "Look at me! I'm 7'3 and I'm running back and forth bouncing a ball!"

At least you've moved beyond trying to disguise your disgust for the guy and just roll around in it like a pig in poop, now.

jag

 

[Superman]

It was purely a photo op. Obama was wearing khaki's and a collared shirt. If he were really 'playing hoops with the troops' he should have dressed appropriately (ie sweats or shorts and a t-shirt) instead of making it THAT obvious that he was only there momentarily for a photo shoot to help improve his campaign.

Thus, not impressed ... John McCain was right.

Wow

 

[The Senator]

It was purely a photo op. Obama was wearing khaki's and a collared shirt. If he were really 'playing hoops with the troops' he should have dressed appropriately (ie sweats or shorts and a t-shirt) instead of making it THAT obvious that he was only there momentarily for a photo shoot to help improve his campaign.

Thus, not impressed ... John McCain was right.

Interesting theory, except Obama has worn shorts and a t-shirt to play ball in previous campaign stops. Furthermore, Obama injured his hip the week before, and told the troops that he would not be able to compete in a competitive game of basketball... though he did play HORSE with them, which is probably why he didn't get changed for a game which involves very little effort from an inactive oaf like me, let alone someone who played the game in high school and in college... this, by the way, has been reported on through numerous news sources, the Washington Post being the source I originally read it in...

 

[Zen]

Who said I actually agree with any of those things....I didn't....

?

maybe im misinterpereting this...

Checks off #3 on my list of McCain "must do's".

1. Shut up with the slams on everything Obama does.
2. Keep pushing for off-shore drilling/gas tax holiday/alternatives.
3. Move more towards a pull out with military "ok", and change his verbage on Iraq.
4. DO NOT choose Mitt Romney as a running mate.
5. Run for only one term.

 

[Kelly]

You are, because no where did I say that I agree with it, I simply stated what I think McCain needs to do to win.

I did the same for Obama.

Just because I post a list, does not mean I have to agree with it, I'm a realist......and a follower of politics. There's not a candidate out there at the moment, that I agree with them in total. *smiles*

 

[Zen]

Just because an Oil Company has a permit for drilling doesn't mean there is oil there. Thats one of the more ridiculous arguments out there.

this argument will cease being "ridiculous" when you offer something besides conjecture.

 

[Zen]

You are, because no where did I say that I agree with it, I simply stated what I think McCain needs to do to win.

I did the same for Obama.

Just because I post a list, does not mean I have to agree with it, I'm a realist......and a follower of politics. There's not a candidate out there at the moment, that I agree with them in total. *smiles*

 

[Marx]

RNC launches facebook parody website targeting Obama
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.co...hes-facebook-parody-web-site-targeting-obama/





(This is class. )

 

[Kelly]

*sighs*.............................dear god.........

 

[jaguarr]

Yeah, I saw that Facebook parody earlier today. I think it really reflects just how out of touch the GOP really is with this country, to be honest. It's just lame and is an excuse to avoid addressing the issues. So far, I've pretty much seen the "let's beat up Barack instead of talk about how we're going to fix things....which we kind of screwed up to begin with, by the way" out of the RNC.

jag

 

[Sandman138]

That was just a stupid move.

 

[The Senator]

In other news: The Republican Party continues to be two years too late in their satirical leanings. Maybe next week they'll have a faux-"Pirates of the Caribbean" trailer portraying Obama as a measly pirate who hopes to double-cross the American tax payer.

 

[jaguarr]

In other news: The Republican Party continues to be two years too late in their satirical leanings. Maybe next week they'll have a faux-"Pirates of the Caribbean" trailer portraying Obama as a measly pirate who hopes to double-cross the American tax payer.

It just comes across as pandering and trying to be "hip" in the same way your grandfather wants to pretend he understands your love for Godsmack.

In other news:

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/30/us/politics/30mccain.html?ref=politics

July 30, 2008
Political Memo
McCain Goes Negative, Worrying Some in G.O.P.

By MICHAEL COOPER
SPARKS, Nev. — In recent days Senator John McCain has charged that Senator Barack Obama “would rather lose a war in order to win a political campaign,” tarred him as “Dr. No” on energy policy and run advertisements calling him responsible for high gas prices.
The old happy warrior side of Mr. McCain has been eclipsed a bit lately by a much more aggressive, and more negative, Mr. McCain who hammers Mr. Obama repeatedly on policy differences, experience and trustworthiness.
By doing so, Mr. McCain is clearly trying to sow doubts about his younger opponent, and bring him down a peg or two. But some Republicans worry that by going negative so early, and initiating so many of the attacks himself rather than leaving them to others, Mr. McCain risks coming across as angry or partisan in a way that could turn off some independents who have been attracted by his calls for respectful campaigning.
The drumbeat of attacks could also undermine his argument that he will champion a new brand of politics.
“The McCain campaign, I think, is being pulled in two directions,” said Todd Harris, a Republican strategist who worked for Mr. McCain in 2000. “On the one hand, this race is largely a referendum on Obama, and whether or not he’s going to pass the leadership threshold in the eyes of voters. So being aggressive against Obama on questions of leadership and trust and risk are important, but at the same time I think they need to be very careful because McCain is not at his best when he is being overly partisan and negative.”
The McCain campaign said that Mr. Obama had been taking shots at Mr. McCain for some time, and that Mr. McCain was simply trying to draw the contrast between the two candidates.
Mark Salter, a senior adviser to Mr. McCain, noted that the two candidates addressed the same Hispanic groups three times this summer, and that at the first two appearances Mr. McCain declined to criticize Mr. Obama, only to be criticized. (“He suggested in his speeches here and there that I turned my back on comprehensive reform out of political necessity,” Mr. McCain complained.) The third time, he said, before La Raza, Mr. McCain decided to “correct the record.”
“There are no cheap shots,” Mr. Salter said. “There are honest differences between them. They want to take the country in different directions, and we’ll talk about it.”
Mr. McCain drew contrast after contrast with Mr. Obama at a town-hall-style meeting in a high school gym here on Tuesday, though he took a more-in-sorrow-than-in-anger tone.
“Senator Obama is an impressive speaker,” he said. “And the beauty of his words has attracted many people, especially among the young, to his campaign. I applaud his talent and his success. All Americans, all Americans should be proud of his accomplishment. I know I am.
“My concern with Senator Obama is on big issues, and small issues, what he says and what he does are often two different things. And that he doesn’t seem to understand that the policies he offers would make our problems harder, not easier to solve.”
Mr. McCain went on to criticize Mr. Obama for seeking pork-barrel spending (“nearly a million dollars for every working day he’s been in office”), accused him of wanting to raise taxes, painted him as an obstructionist on energy policy, rapped him for abandoning his pledge to take public financing, and criticized his Iraq policy.
Some of his lines of attack have been accused of being misleading. Mr. McCain, for instance, said Mr. Obama had voted in the Senate “for tax hikes that would have impacted those making $32,000 a year.” FactCheck.org, a nonpartisan Web site, said the vote was on a budget resolution to raise taxes on people making $41,500 a year; the $32,000 figure, it said, was the amount of taxable income those people had.
An advertisement criticized Mr. Obama for the high price of gas. “Who can you thank for rising prices at the pump?” an announcer intoned, as chants of “Obama, Obama” were heard.
Dan Schnur, who worked on Mr. McCain’s 2000 campaign and is the director of the Jesse M. Unruh Institute of Politics at the University of Southern California, said the McCain campaign seemed to be drawing on lessons from watching the Democratic primary fight between Mr. Obama and Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton.
“It wasn’t until the last weeks of the primary that Clinton and her campaign really took the gloves off on Obama, and as it happens it was too little, too late,” he said. “Obama is at his best when he talks from the mountaintop, and Clinton showed that the best hope for an opponent is to pull him back down to earth. McCain’s campaign quickly decided not to wait as long as she did.”
But some Republicans say privately that Mr. McCain, by trying to make the election a referendum on Mr. Obama, risks ceding control of some of the narrative by constantly reacting.
Mike Murphy, a Republican media consultant who worked on Mr. McCain’s 2000 campaign, said that while the campaign needed to balance positive messages about Mr. McCain with negative ones about Mr. Obama, he thought it should ultimately be more about what Mr. McCain would do than Mr. Obama.
“I think the campaign does have to be careful about its tone,” Mr. Murphy said. “A pure attack tone could be perilous.”

jag

 

[jaguarr]

Ugh. The lag is killing this site. I have a solution, though. It's simple: kill the Bat-Fans.

jag

 

[Marx]

Ugh. The lag is killing this site. I have a solution, though. It's simple: kill the Bat-Fans.

jag

There's a little bit of 'Bat-Fan' in all of us...so that could present a problem!

 

[The Senator]

Ugh. The lag is killing this site. I have a solution, though. It's simple: kill the Bat-Fans.

jag

Or at least kill the newbs who insist on having ridiculous threads about which Joker quotes describe their sex life and the like.

 

[Marx]

Or at least kill the newbs who insist on having ridiculous threads about which Joker quotes describe their sex life and the like.

I saw that thread as well.