The McCain Thread

[SuperMonkey]

If McCain wants any chance of picking up the Republican base (ie, Fundies) he will pick Romney or Huckabee.

 

[Sandman138]

If McCain wants any chance of picking up the Republican base (ie, Fundies) he will pick Romney or Huckabee.

Fundies hate Romney.

 

[Marx]

Fundies hate Romney.

Independents hate them both. McCain seems to be more concerned about the Religious Right and Neo-Cons then he is with independents though.

 

[The Senator]

If McCain wants any chance of picking up the Republican base (ie, Fundies) he will pick Romney.

Yeah, that's a great idea-- pick the Mormon to appeal to the Christian right.

 

[StorminNorman]

Republican base does not equal Evangelical Right.

Romney was the pick of conservatives in the Republican Primary - he would of won the primary had it not been for indepedent and democrat voters.

The only voters that would have a problem with Romney's religion (the idotic evangelicals) are going to vote anyway because they won't let a black communist Muslim take the White House.

 

[Marx]

Republican base does not equal Evangelical Right.

Romney was the pick of conservatives in the Republican Primary - he would of won the primary had it not been for indepedent and democrat voters.

The only voters that would have a problem with Romney's religion (the idotic evangelicals) are going to vote anyway because they won't let a black communist Muslim take the White House.

You know, it's really kinda interesting to see that both presidential candidates are largely turning away from those who got them the nomination.

With Obama making a mad dash towards the center.

And McCain turning toward the hard right.

 

[Tron5000]

Republican base does not equal Evangelical Right.

Romney was the pick of conservatives in the Republican Primary - he would of won the primary had it not been for indepedent and democrat voters.

The only voters that would have a problem with Romney's religion (the idotic evangelicals) are going to vote anyway because they won't let a black communist Muslim take the White House.

That actually made me laugh. Nice work there, Stormy.

 

[rdh007]

Republican base does not equal Evangelical Right.

Romney was the pick of conservatives in the Republican Primary - he would of won the primary had it not been for indepedent and democrat voters.

The only voters that would have a problem with Romney's religion (the idotic evangelicals) are going to vote anyway because they won't let a black communist Muslim take the White House.

I don't think that many Democrats voted in that many Republican primaries. They had a tighter race. Indies in NH didn't hurt, though.

 

[Überlibran]

McCain lies about his support of the MLK holiday:

 

[StorminNorman]

Panama City!

 

[StorminNorman]

I don't think that many Democrats voted in that many Republican primaries. They had a tighter race. Indies in NH didn't hurt, though.

In many primaries? No, but McCain's campaign was made possible by two states: New Hampshire in Florida.

Exit polling (which proved to be fairly accurate in both states in the Republican primary) showed that the majority of Republicans voted for Mitt Romney in both states. In Florida, in fact, you had many indepedents register as Republican so they could support McCain (its a state where you have to be a party member to vote in primary).

 

[Tag279]

McCain lies about his support of the MLK holiday:

Yep he is inacurate on that assertion

John McCain on Civil Rights

Voted against MLK holiday in 1983; now calls that a mistake. (Apr 2008)
Voting Record
Ban on same-sex marriage is unRepublican; leave it to states. (Nov 2006)
Voted YES on recommending Constitutional ban on flag desecration. (Jun 2006)
Voted NO on constitutional ban of same-sex marriage. (Jun 2006)
Voted NO on adding sexual orientation to definition of hate crimes. (Jun 2002)
Voted YES on loosening restrictions on cell phone wiretapping. (Oct 2001)
Voted NO on expanding hate crimes to include sexual orientation. (Jun 2000)
Voted YES on setting aside 10% of highway funds for minorities & women. (Mar 1998)
Voted NO on ending special funding for minority & women-owned business. (Oct 1997)
Voted YES on prohibiting same-sex marriage. (Sep 1996)
Voted NO on prohibiting job discrimination by sexual orientation. (Sep 1996)
Voted YES on Amendment to prohibit flag burning. (Dec 1995)
Voted YES on banning affirmative action hiring with federal funds. (Jul 1995)
Supports anti-flag desecration amendment. (Mar 2001)
Require 90 day delay for compliance before ADA lawsuits. (May 2002)
Limit interstate class-action lawsuits to federal courts . (May 2002)
Rated 0% by the ACLU, indicating an anti-civil rights voting record. (Dec 2002)
Rated 33% by the HRC, indicating a mixed record on gay rights. (Dec 2006)
Rated 7% by the NAACP, indicating an anti-affirmative-action stance. (Dec 2006

 

[Überlibran]

Yep he is inacurate on that assertion

I can't understand - why would he lie about something that could be so easily disproven? Not only did he vote against the MLK holiday in 1983, he supported AZ Gov. Ed Mecham's act to repeal the holiday 4 years later, and voted against funding for the holiday.

 

[kainedamo]

It's not like the media will even notice or cover his mistake. And if Obama used it against McCain, he'd be accused of using negative campaign tactics.

 

[Tag279]

It's not like the media will even notice or cover his mistake. And if Obama used it against McCain, he'd be accused of using negative campaign tactics.

You got that right!!!

 

[rdh007]

In many primaries? No, but McCain's campaign was made possible by two states: New Hampshire in Florida.

Exit polling (which proved to be fairly accurate in both states in the Republican primary) showed that the majority of Republicans voted for Mitt Romney in both states. In Florida, in fact, you had many indepedents register as Republican so they could support McCain (its a state where you have to be a party member to vote in primary).

None of that has much to do with card-carrying, solid Democrats. McCain has had a great relationship with independents in NH and as you said Florida saw many independents (not necessarily Democrats) help him out too. I agree independents helped, but not many Democrats.

 

[StorminNorman]

None of that has much to do with card-carrying, solid Democrats. McCain has had a great relationship with independents in NH and as you said Florida saw many independents (not necessarily Democrats) help him out too. I agree independents helped, but not many Democrats.

You are right, any democrat that would chose to vote for McCain over Hillary or Obama is less democrat and more indepedent with a D next to their name.

It has little to do, however, with my original point in that Romney was the Republican choice in the primaries.

 

[Matt]

I can't help but wonder how much the senior citizen demographic had to do with McCain's win in Florida. I mean, it is the one demographic that he has been able to consistently win throughout. Its like the African American vote giving Obama the dominant win in South Carolina...did the senior vote win Florida for McCain?

 

[StorminNorman]

I think the senior vote did help McCain, but again I can't help but point at the exit polling showing that McCain destroyed Romney in Republican voters that "did not consider themselves Republicans" were Romney had a slight lead in "Republicans". In Florida it is simply foolish to register as an indepedent (the reason I have not), simply because it limits your ability to participate.

The Senior vote was key to McCain taking south Florida - as was Mel Martinez who brought in the Cuban vote big time.

Crist's influence was far less than people made it out to be - Senator Martinez was McCain's real white knight.

 

[Tag279]

McCain was the best choice for the republicans to have for this election because independents prefer him over the other Republicans in the field.

A lock-step republican IMO would not have a chance this year.

 

[Matt]

I'm not sure about that. McCain won the independent vote because his name was recognizable as a "maverick," and now he seems to be doing everything he can to drive the independent vote away.

I think, if Romney had won the nomination, his record would speak far more than McCain's reputation (deserved or otherwise) towards winning over independents come November.

 

[Tag279]

I'm not sure about that. McCain won the independent vote because his name was recognizable as a "maverick," and now he seems to be doing everything he can to drive the independent vote away.

I think, if Romney had won the nomination, his record would speak far more than McCain's reputation (deserved or otherwise) towards winning over independents come November.

The main thing IMO that prevented Romney from winning the nomination was his religion. It is a sad state of affairs. However, I do know that the dyed in the wool republicans around my kneck of the woods did not like Romney. They didn't like McCain much either just more than they liked Romney moreso because of his military service.

 

[Marx]

I can't understand - why would he lie about something that could be so easily disproven? Not only did he vote against the MLK holiday in 1983, he supported AZ Gov. Ed Mecham's act to repeal the holiday 4 years later, and voted against funding for the holiday.

Maybe he doesn't remember voting against it?

 

[Matt]

The main thing IMO that prevented Romney from winning the nomination was his religion. It is a sad state of affairs. However, I do know that the dyed in the wool republicans around my kneck of the woods did not like Romney. They didn't like McCain much either just more than they liked Romney moreso because of his military service.

Which is why if Romney won the presidency it would've been such a great leap for the GOP. It would've essentially freed them from religious radicals.

 

[Marx]

Which is why if Romney won the presidency it would've been such a great leap for the GOP. It would've essentially freed them from religious radicals.

The fact that Mike Huckabee didn't win the nomination is a great step!