The McCain Thread

[StorminNorman]

*ahem*

http://features.csmonitor.com/polit...-harder-for-politicians-to-stretch-the-truth/

Much more like it, though I do not consider them "big" and fairly irrelevant.

 

[redfirebird2008]

So, which excuse is it gonna be for the house gaffe?

"John McCain does not speak for the John McCain campaign" as one of his advisors once said?

Or will it be, "Senator McCain was tired. It was at the end of a long day," etc.?

 

[StorminNorman]

So, which excuse is it gonna be for the house gaffe?

"John McCain does not speak for the John McCain campaign" as one of his advisors once said?

Or will it be, "Senator McCain was tired. It was at the end of a long day," etc.?

They should just leave it alone - its a nothing story that will be forgotten by this time next week.

 

[kainedamo]

Considering McCain's tax breaks for the rich plans, do you not think it is very relevant?

Here's Obama, a guy being labelled elitist for reasons I don't understand, that has plans to give immediate relief to middle class families. On the other hand is McCain, who doesn't want to tax the rich, who doesn't want to put a figure on what is rich, who wants to give big oil companies tax breaks, and who owns 10 homes worth millions. It all paints the picture that McCain is the real elitist.

 

[redfirebird2008]

It's relevant because McCain and his advisors think average Americans are whiners for complaining about the housing market and the economy in general, meanwhile McCain has been an aristocrat his entire life...even before he married Cindy (ahem, son and grandson of two admirals in the Navy). And now he's got at least 10 homes with Cindy. And he can't even remember how many he has? WTF does that say about him?

 

[DorkyFresh]

*slow clap for kainedamo*

 

[StorminNorman]

Considering McCain's tax breaks for the rich plans, do you not think it is very relevant?

No - because its not McCain's Tax Break. McCain did not support these tax cuts, however they are implemented and to reverse them would RAISE TAXES which goes against McCain's fundamental beliefs.

So yes, I do not think it is very relevant.

Plus, McCain's difficulty here has nothing to do with counting the number of residences he has - but houses he owns. As in real estate. Its not like he has too many mansions he can't keep count - he owns houses (condos) he rents and sells and what not.

Here's Obama, a guy being labelled elitist for reasons I don't understand, that has plans to give immediate relief to middle class families. On the other hand is McCain, who doesn't want to tax the rich, who doesn't want to put a figure on what is rich, who wants to give big oil companies tax breaks, and who owns 10 homes worth millions. It all paints the picture that McCain is the real elitist.

Obama plans to give immediate relief to the middle class, yes - he then plans to take back that same relief and more by raising taxes on other items. His idea to fix the energy crisis? Raise taxes on oil companies! That means that oil companies raise their prices and BOOM - the middle class and poor are punished.

Want to raise taxes on the rich? Then you increase costs on small business owners which means they have less money to employ people and BOOM - the middle class and poor are punished.

Again - the rich DID NOTHING WRONG, they should not be punished for being wealthy. They earned their money, they should keep it. Thats the principal I have for the rich, the middle class and the poor alike. Obama's idea that the rich should be punished is silly.

 

[Superman4ever]

Considering the fact that if I posted a story about Obama from an obscure Conservative think tape, it wouldn't have any credibility at all - yes, I am not going to waste time with it.

Ugh, I posted a link by the Christian Science Monitor right after your initial post reaffirming the message from the video, and you're still "not wasting time with it".

 

[StorminNorman]

It's relevant because McCain and his advisors think average Americans are whiners for complaining about the housing market and the economy in general, meanwhile McCain has been an aristocrat his entire life...even before he married Cindy (ahem, son and grandson of two admirals in the Navy). And now he's got at least 10 homes with Cindy. And he can't even remember how many he has? WTF does that say about him?

Correct me if I am wrong, but didn't McCain criticize the adviser that called America a nation of whiners?

 

[StorminNorman]

Ugh, I posted a link by the Christian Science Monitor right after your initial post reaffirming the message from the video, and you're still "not wasting time with it".

I overlooked that - but Kaine responded by posting (what I assume is) the same article.

Now I wasted my time with that and still find it to be fairly irrelevant.

 

[Marx]

So now John McCain doesn't remember how many houses he owns? Add that onto everything else he has said, done, and forgotten...can somebody please tell me why in the h*** these polls are even remotely close????

 

[StorminNorman]

So now John McCain doesn't remember how many houses he owns? Add that onto everything else he has said, done, and forgotten...can somebody please tell me why in the h*** these polls are even remotely close????

Because - scary as it is - he is the lesser evil.

 

[kainedamo]

I overlooked that - but Kaine responded by posting (what I assume is) the same article.

Now I wasted my time with that and still find it to be fairly irrelevant.

Cindy McCain's lies are irrelevant, John's elitism is irrelevant, his association with G. Gordon Liddy is irrelevant... is there anything negative about McCain that is relevant? Irrelevant seems to be a favoured word of yours. What about his apparent view on the draft?

 

[Marx]

Because - scary as it is - he is the lesser evil.

That's pretty scary Norm.

 

[Superman4ever]

I overlooked that - but Kaine responded by posting (what I assume is) the same article.

Now I wasted my time with that and still find it to be fairly irrelevant.

Yeah I just saw that, and to call the CSM "irrelevant" is ludicrous. That's like calling Helen Thomas a hack (because she ACTUALLY asks the hard questions), which some of hardliner right-wingers are doing now.

I guess this just reaffirms it: Right-wing + Real Journalism = No likey.

 

[StorminNorman]

Yeah I just saw that, and to call the CSM "irrelevant" is ludicrous. That's like calling Helen Thomas a hack (because she ACTUALLY asks the hard questions), which some of hardliner right-wingers are doing now.

I guess this just reaffirms it: Right-wing + Real Journalism = No likey.

*sigh* I didn't call CSM irrelevant. I called the story fairly irrelevant - to me at least.

Again - painting me as Right-Wing is also a mistake.

 

[jaguarr]

Because - scary as it is - he is the lesser evil.

I totally disagree. McCain scares me infinitely more than Obama does.

jag

 

[DorkyFresh]

Again - painting me as Right-Wing is also a mistake.

if it looks like a duck...



...you don't want to be painted as Right-Winger? then don't post like an elephant.

 

[The Senator]

I think McCain is trying to use his forgetfulness to channel Reagan. After all, Reagan had Alzheimer's and he is considered to be the Republican demigod. Maybe McCain thinks it will work for him too?

 

[jaguarr]

Correct me if I am wrong, but didn't McCain criticize the adviser that called America a nation of whiners?

I don't know if he did, but if Obama's detractors can be so hellbent on bringing up Wright over and over again, even after Obama criticized his comments and denounced him, then continuing to bring up this jackass Gramm for McCain seems like fair game to me for McCain's detractors.

jag

 

[StorminNorman]

Cindy McCain's lies are irrelevant, John's elitism is irrelevant, his association with G. Gordon Liddy is irrelevant... is there anything negative about McCain that is relevant? Irrelevant seems to be a favoured word of yours. What about his apparent view on the draft?

I consider a lot of the "negatives" on Obama irrelevant - including his vote on the abortion bill, the fact his middle name is Hussein, the flag pin, the flag saluting, the 57 states, etc.

I find Michelle Obama's lack of patriotism more troubling than some misstatements. Elitism isn't a life style - its an attitude and I haven't seen any real elitist attitude from McCain in all honesty. My favorite President is Nixon - so me not caring about Liddy isn't a shocker.

 

[SuBe]

if it looks like a duck...



...you don't want to be painted as Right-Winger? then don't post like an elephant.

Storm, like me, is a Libertarian. Which means not Left or Right.

 

[jaguarr]

I think McCain is trying to use his forgetfulness to channel Reagan. After all, Reagan had Alzheimer's and he is considered to be the Republican demigod. Maybe McCain thinks it will work for him too?

I've said it before and I'll say it again, you KNOW Reagan is in Hell going "Tell McCain to quit talking about me!!!!".

jag

 

[StorminNorman]

if it looks like a duck...



...you don't want to be painted as Right-Winger? then don't post like an elephant.

Want me to talk about gay marriage, abortion rights, legalization of drugs, religion in general, etc. etc. etc.?

I do not post as a "Republican" because I am a right winger, but because of the two parties its the closest to my views.

 

[StorminNorman]

I don't know if he did, but if Obama's detractors can be so hellbent on bringing up Wright over and over again, even after Obama criticized his comments and denounced him, then continuing to bring up this jackass Gramm for McCain seems like fair game to me for McCain's detractors.

jag

http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080711/POLITICS01/807110375

Of course you can criticize McCain for his association with Gramm - but to say HE CALLED AMERICA a nation of whiners would be like saying Obama was personally responsible for bombing various American sites. Something no one here has certainly done.