The McCain Thread

[jaguarr]

But I really haven't spent excessive time in the Bat Forums. As a matter in fact I haven't gone in there for days. I tend to stick to MY forum, the Superman Forums, Comic Books, and here for the most part.

It takes so little time in that forum to turn into one of those legions of loser "Why so serious?" guys, though. It's like a virus.

jag

 

[hippie_hunter]

It takes so little time in that forum to turn into one of those legions of loser "Why so serious?" guys, though. It's like a virus.

jag

 

[redfirebird2008]

I think McCain can kiss Hillary's supporters goodbye after that speech. Amazingly done by Hillary. She made it very clear than McCain's beliefs are not good for women.

 

[Matt]

He never would've had them anyway.

 

[Julio Alejandro]

http://www.johnmccain.com/Informing/Multimedia/Player.aspx?guid=676d6afb-216a-4b7d-b850-145a9e87cc45

 

[kainedamo]

You know, people often ask me "why do you care, you're not American" on forums. And I usually answer that I just have an interest in American politics, despite the fact that it doesn't affect me.

But you know, this election WILL effect me and many others worldwide. I thoroughly believe that McCain CANNOT be elected.

McCain through his words and actions has shown himself to be very military minded, and I think that's what comes first with him. It's the last thing America needs. He's supposed to be the foreign policy expert, yet has continiously got confused about where Al Queda gets trained, and he doesn't seem to understand how the different religions of Iraq interact. What was John McCain and Bush's big, bright idea for solving the problems in Iraq? They ignored the advice of the experts and decided to send in more troops in what was called the "surge". People say the surge worked, some even say it won the war. But the surge is only a temporary solution. It's a plaster put over a deadly wound. The point is, McCain is the type of man that thinks of force as a solution first.

His language over Iran, "bomb bomb bomb Iran", when told cigarettes were the biggest export to Iran he said "that's one way to kill them", and in various speeches he's displayed a fair amount of sabre rattling towards Iran and Russia. He thoroughly thinks of Iran as an enemy to be defeated. Now I'm not suggesting that America and Iran are the best of friends, but under McCain you can basically gaurantee you will see another war.

Am I quoting this right? "My friends, I will call on you to serve". Does McCain want to bring in the draft?

McCain is a military man, not a President. A war with Iran, and a new cold war with Russia will adversly affect the rest of the world. Britain seems obsessed with keeping good relations with the US under any circumstances, so its likely that any war the US goes to, Britain will go to too.

Besides the danger of more wars under McCain, there is the fact that he doesn't know much about the economy. He has flat out said so on many occasions, and as recently as earlier this year. There is no mistaking his words. So McCain has no other choice but to let his economic advisors lead him by the hand. One thing he does seem to know about is doing favors for oil companies. Under McCain, further tax breaks for the upper crust of America, tax breaks that millions of homes won't see a penny of.

McCain's voting record shows that he agrees with Bush 95% of the time. In one year, it was 100%. In McCain's words, "that's not change we can believe in".

 

[SuBe]

Close or Merge with McCain Thread.

 

[SuBe]

You know, people often ask me "why do you care, you're not American" on forums. And I usually answer that I just have an interest in American politics, despite the fact that it doesn't affect me.

But you know, this election WILL effect me and many others worldwide. I thoroughly believe that McCain CANNOT be elected.

McCain through his words and actions has shown himself to be very military minded, and I think that's what comes first with him. It's the last thing America needs. He's supposed to be the foreign policy expert, yet has continiously got confused about where Al Queda gets trained, and he doesn't seem to understand how the different religions of Iraq interact. What was John McCain and Bush's big, bright idea for solving the problems in Iraq? They ignored the advice of the experts and decided to send in more troops in what was called the "surge". People say the surge worked, some even say it won the war. But the surge is only a temporary solution. It's a plaster put over a deadly wound. The point is, McCain is the type of man that thinks of force as a solution first.

His language over Iran, "bomb bomb bomb Iran", when told cigarettes were the biggest export to Iran he said "that's one way to kill them", and in various speeches he's displayed a fair amount of sabre rattling towards Iran and Russia. He thoroughly thinks of Iran as an enemy to be defeated. Now I'm not suggesting that America and Iran are the best of friends, but under McCain you can basically gaurantee you will see another war.

Am I quoting this right? "My friends, I will call on you to serve". Does McCain want to bring in the draft?

McCain is a military man, not a President. A war with Iran, and a new cold war with Russia will adversly affect the rest of the world. Britain seems obsessed with keeping good relations with the US under any circumstances, so its likely that any war the US goes to, Britain will go to too.

Besides the danger of more wars under McCain, there is the fact that he doesn't know much about the economy. He has flat out said so on many occasions, and as recently as earlier this year. There is no mistaking his words. So McCain has no other choice but to let his economic advisors lead him by the hand. One thing he does seem to know about is doing favors for oil companies. Under McCain, further tax breaks for the upper crust of America, tax breaks that millions of homes won't see a penny of.

McCain's voting record shows that he agrees with Bush 95% of the time. In one year, it was 100%. In McCain's words, "that's not change we can believe in".

So, you are interested in American Politics because you believe that John McCain will maintain a Strong Military for the United States, and you would rather see a weaker America?

 

[kainedamo]

So, you are interested in American Politics because you believe that John McCain will maintain a Strong Military for the United States, and you would rather see a weaker America?

See, this is the attitude that's got your country in such a massive mess.

Being more democratic rather than forceful is not weakness, it's being smart. Getting into unnecassary wars does not make your country strong, it makes it weaker. And it makes the world weaker.

 

[SuBe]

See, this is the attitude that's got your country in such a massive mess.

Being more democratic rather than forceful is not weakness, it's being smart. Getting into unnecassary wars does not make your country strong, it makes it weaker. And it makes the world weaker.

You didn't answer the question, would you rather want to see the United States Stronger and Europe not as Strong, or the European Union the sole Super Power, and the United States weaker?

 

[kainedamo]

You didn't answer the question, would you rather want to see the United States Stronger and Europe not as Strong, or the European Union the sole Super Power, and the United States weaker?

What kind of backwards question is that?

I already answered the question in your original response - being more democratic rather than forceful is not weakness. I don't want to see America weaker, I don't want to see Europe get weaker. That's why its so important for McCain to not get elected.

 

[Matt]

Yeah, its a pretty damning ad. Merging none the less.

 

[kytrigger]

You know, people often ask me "why do you care, you're not American" on forums. And I usually answer that I just have an interest in American politics, despite the fact that it doesn't affect me.

But you know, this election WILL effect me and many others worldwide. I thoroughly believe that McCain CANNOT be elected.

McCain through his words and actions has shown himself to be very military minded, and I think that's what comes first with him. It's the last thing America needs. He's supposed to be the foreign policy expert, yet has continiously got confused about where Al Queda gets trained, and he doesn't seem to understand how the different religions of Iraq interact. What was John McCain and Bush's big, bright idea for solving the problems in Iraq? They ignored the advice of the experts and decided to send in more troops in what was called the "surge". People say the surge worked, some even say it won the war. But the surge is only a temporary solution. It's a plaster put over a deadly wound. The point is, McCain is the type of man that thinks of force as a solution first.

His language over Iran, "bomb bomb bomb Iran", when told cigarettes were the biggest export to Iran he said "that's one way to kill them", and in various speeches he's displayed a fair amount of sabre rattling towards Iran and Russia. He thoroughly thinks of Iran as an enemy to be defeated. Now I'm not suggesting that America and Iran are the best of friends, but under McCain you can basically gaurantee you will see another war.

Am I quoting this right? "My friends, I will call on you to serve". Does McCain want to bring in the draft?

McCain is a military man, not a President. A war with Iran, and a new cold war with Russia will adversly affect the rest of the world. Britain seems obsessed with keeping good relations with the US under any circumstances, so its likely that any war the US goes to, Britain will go to too.

Besides the danger of more wars under McCain, there is the fact that he doesn't know much about the economy. He has flat out said so on many occasions, and as recently as earlier this year. There is no mistaking his words. So McCain has no other choice but to let his economic advisors lead him by the hand. One thing he does seem to know about is doing favors for oil companies. Under McCain, further tax breaks for the upper crust of America, tax breaks that millions of homes won't see a penny of.

McCain's voting record shows that he agrees with Bush 95% of the time. In one year, it was 100%. In McCain's words, "that's not change we can believe in".

Exactly how is having a strong "military mind" in any way a bad thing? Just becase someone know a great deal about the military don't mean they constantly advocate war. And I definately disagree about the surge not working. He ignored the advice of experts? General Petraeus is not only a military expert , but had first hand knowledge of what was going on in Iraq when he(with others) brought forth the "surge" plan. Just because many politicians thought it was a bad idea doesn't mean he ignored expert advice, only that he ignored the popular advice.

IMO thre is nothing wrong with being a "military man" as long as he keeps listening to the current military commanders. He has to know that while he used to be in the military, they still are, and know more about the situation than he does. If anything, the surge showed that is exactly what McCain did, he listened to the top military experts instead of going with the much more popular (and easier) choice of giving up and pulling out of Iraq.

All McCain needs are Joint Chiefs that are competent and to actually listen to them when it comes to military matters.

 

[Franklin Richards]

Shouldn't Hillary get paid for that ad?

 

[jaguarr]

Exactly how is having a strong "military mind" in any way a bad thing? Just becase someone know a great deal about the military don't mean they constantly advocate war. And I definately disagree about the surge not working. He ignored the advice of experts? General Petraeus is not only a military expert , but had first hand knowledge of what was going on in Iraq when he(with others) brought forth the "surge" plan. Just because many politicians thought it was a bad idea doesn't mean he ignored expert advice, only that he ignored the popular advice.

IMO thre is nothing wrong with being a "military man" as long as he keeps listening to the current military commanders. He has to know that while he used to be in the military, they still are, and know more about the situation than he does. If anything, the surge showed that is exactly what McCain did, he listened to the top military experts instead of going with the much more popular (and easier) choice of giving up and pulling out of Iraq.

All McCain needs are Joint Chiefs that are competent and to actually listen to them when it comes to military matters.

The "surge" was just ramping up troop implementation to what should have been an appropriate level in the first place. It was making up for under-staffing troops to begin with. Fixing a strategic and tactical error. And I think McCain's made it plenty clear that he's ready to go at it with Russia and Iran, most notably, as well as keep things going in Iraq and Afghanistan with no real end in sight (despite his very, very recently deciding that maybe a time table for extracting our troops MIGHT be something he could support...maybe...).

jag

 

[Julio Alejandro]

McKinney for president!

 

[kainedamo]

Does anyone here actually think a draft would be a good idea?

 

[SuBe]

Does anyone here actually think a draft would be a good idea?

No.

 

[jaguarr]

Does anyone here actually think a draft would be a good idea?

Only if *I*, and only I, have sole discretion and final decision over who gets drafted. Otherwise no.

jag

 

[kytrigger]

The "surge" was just ramping up troop implementation to what should have been an appropriate level in the first place. It was making up for under-staffing troops to begin with. Fixing a strategic and tactical error. And I think McCain's made it plenty clear that he's ready to go at it with Russia and Iran, most notably, as well as keep things going in Iraq and Afghanistan with no real end in sight (despite his very, very recently deciding that maybe a time table for extracting our troops MIGHT be something he could support...maybe...).

jag

I agree with you on the troop level part. The surge allowed us not only to increase security but to effectively start major reconstruction in key areas which is a major factor in counterinsurgency, something Geneal Petraeus wrote the book on (literally, he was one of the people in charge of the counterinsurgency field manual) so to say he ignored expert opinion by backing the surge is pretty false.

And while McCain has definately not shyed away from talking about Iran or Russia, I really do believe that he will listen to his Joint Chiefs. If anyone can hit him over the head hard enough to instill logic it will be them, and I believe that is because of his military background.

As for Iraq and Afghanistan, IMO the best thing we have going for it no matter who is elected is that Petraeus is becoming Commander of CENTCOM. One thing the surge gave him is credibility with the media, making him a force. It'll be tough for the next president to really go against him without having a ton of credible experts behind him. Enough stupid **** has happened in Iraq and Afghanistan because we were to concerned about acting quickly instead of logically.

McCain just needs Chiefs with enough balls to tell him that sometimes he's an idiot, and I think that right now Admiral Mullen can do that pretty effectively.

 

[kainedamo]

I only ask, because I get the impression from some that they don't think it would be a bad idea. I've brought it up in a few youtube comments in peoples' vids, and some people are like "so what?" and I'm thinking, wow, some people haven't got a problem with a draft after the last 8 years?

 

[kytrigger]

I only ask, because I get the impression from some that they don't think it would be a bad idea. I've brought it up in a few youtube comments in peoples' vids, and some people are like "so what?" and I'm thinking, wow, some people haven't got a problem with a draft after the last 8 years?

eh, some people don't mind it, but I definately wouldn't want one. I think the biggest indicator that we don't need a draft is simply that we haven't used one in OIF and OEF yet even with the surge.

The thing about the draft is that with developing war technology we don't need as many people as we used to in a large scale war. We still need a lot, but if we were ever in another war as spread out as WWII we would rely much more on Air Force and bombs (and not just nuclear) tha on our actual numbers (especially since in a war like that we wouldn't really be worried about damaging most infastructure like we are now in Iraq)

But I do agree that a draft isn't a good idea and should only be used in the most dire of situations. This is one of those things I was talking about where if McCain was President, the Joint Chiefs need to role up a newspaper, smack MCain in the nose and say "Bad Commander In Chief! You know what you did...Bad!"

 

[jaguarr]

I don't really trust the Joint Chiefs of Staff to be able to reel in McCain, to be honest. He's just so damn hard-headed and stubborn. And, the current Republican regime seems to have a hard-on for going to war. It should be something we absolutely have no choice in doing, not something we do just because we can or we think we ought to. They're trigger happy and I don't see McCain changing that viewpoint.

jag

 

[Raiden]

I don't really trust the Joint Chiefs of Staff to be able to reel in McCain, to be honest. He's just so damn hard-headed and stubborn. And, the current Republican regime seems to have a hard-on for going to war. It should be something we absolutely have no choice in doing, not something we do just because we can or we think we ought to. They're trigger happy and I don't see McCain changing that viewpoint.

jag

McCain is infamous for his hot tempers, so if Joint Chiefs ever tried to teach him a lesson, they will get their ass handed to them.

 

[SuBe]

eh, some people don't mind it, but I definately wouldn't want one. I think the biggest indicator that we don't need a draft is simply that we haven't used one in OIF and OEF yet even with the surge.

The thing about the draft is that with developing war technology we don't need as many people as we used to in a large scale war. We still need a lot, but if we were ever in another war as spread out as WWII we would rely much more on Air Force and bombs (and not just nuclear) tha on our actual numbers (especially since in a war like that we wouldn't really be worried about damaging most infastructure like we are now in Iraq)

But I do agree that a draft isn't a good idea and should only be used in the most dire of situations. This is one of those things I was talking about where if McCain was President, the Joint Chiefs need to role up a newspaper, smack MCain in the nose and say "Bad Commander In Chief! You know what you did...Bad!"

I want to see proof that John McCain ever stated it was a good idea. The research I can find was the last time this was brought up, it was a Democrat bringing it up in Congress.