The Naked Fun in The Superhero Cinematic Civil War Thread - Part 61

[Kane52630]

James Cameron really makes this sh** look easy.

 

[Snow Queen]

But Fantastic Four is starting already from a position of strength say Thunderbolts hasn't. The news cycle has covered this movie more than any other upcoming MCU films other than Spider-Man 4 and the 2 Avengers movies. The other struggles don't really matter because the FF has shown a staying power already in the hype machine some of these others haven't. It's gonna be fine

I'm not sure what position of strength FF has when their public reputation is in the mud after two decades of bad movies. They have name recognition but I've seen nothing from the general public that suggests inherent interest with the Fantastic Four in 2025.

 

[Shinobi Shaw]

The more I look at the Fantastic Four trailer, and the whole 60's aesthetic, the more I'm getting That Thing You Do! vibes.



Tom Hanks' most underrated movie don't you know.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

But Fantastic Four is starting already from a position of strength say Thunderbolts hasn't. The news cycle has covered this movie more than any other upcoming MCU films other than Spider-Man 4 and the 2 Avengers movies. The other struggles don't really matter because the FF has shown a staying power already in the hype machine some of these others haven't. It's gonna be fine

I think we're talking cross purposes. They can cover it plenty. That doesn't make it look like an event. There is no position of strength here. We aren't talking about comic characters with well beloved adaptations in any form. It's the opposite really.

It's not the most important thing, but the difference in teaser trailer views for Superman and F4 is large. Jurassic World has it beat handily as well. That feels telling for a movie that people should be really interested in the first look at.

 

[Spider-Fan]

I'm not sure what position of strength FF has when their public reputation is in the mud after two decades of bad movies. They have name recognition but I've seen nothing from the general public that suggests inherent interest with the Fantastic Four in 2025.

Just gonna say yall doubted D&W and I said that was gonna cruise passed a billion easily. It's not about what happened a decade ago, it's about what's been happening now, and the FF news has been super popular since this project started its development. That's going to result in BO dollars.

 

[BoredGuy]

I am surprised Marvel is using Galactus as the lead villain right off the bat with the Silver Surfer storyline, given how much of that was already done in the last Tim Story FF movie. Normally Marvel shies away from that and uses a villain that hadn't been used before when they adapt a legacy character that a previous studio had control of. That is why we got Vulture as the main villain of Spider-Man Homecoming when the MCU did their solo Spider-Man movie, instead of immediately going to the Green Goblin or Doc Ock well.

The difference is Spider-man got GG and Doc Ock very right the first time around
Whereas Fox bungled the s*** out of Galactus
And given Feige's stated love for SS and Galactus, I'm not surprised he wants to try to do it right

 

[Pennywise]

I’ll be surprised if we don’t get a new trailer for Superman tomorrow as it’s Superman Day.

 

[Spider-Fan]

I think we're talking cross purposes. They can cover it plenty. That doesn't make it look like an event. There is no position of strength here. We aren't talking about comic characters with well beloved adaptations in any form. It's the opposite really.

It's not the most important thing, but the difference in teaser trailer views for Superman and F4 is large. Jurassic World has it beat handily as well. That feels telling for a movie that people should be really interested in the first look at.

But the frequent coverage means it has interest. That's the point. That's why I was able to easily gage D&W was cruising passed a billions many months before release and why I was nervous about The Marvels flopping. The FF have been in the news this entire production cycle, so it has more interest than yall are giving it credit for

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I’ll be surprised if we don’t get a new trailer for Superman tomorrow as it’s Superman Day.

Still think we'll see it with Thunderbolts or even later. I think @Snow Queen is right and we'll see the final poster. Which would be nice.

 

[Shinobi Shaw]

The difference is Spider-man got GG and Doc Ock very right the first time around
Whereas Fox bungled the s*** out of Galactus
And given Feige's stated love for SS and Galactus, I'm not surprised he wants to try to do it right

He has no other choice, between this and those two Avengers movies, he needs several W's.

But good or bad, I learned never to count him out.

 

[BoredGuy]

New trailers over a million views in an hour, only counting Marvel's version
seems pretty solid, not sure what Superman did

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I want to apologize to Quantumania. I thought for sure Marvel could never top it's terribleness. And then Malcolm Spellman, Malcolm Spellman'd again. Brave New World, worst MCU film.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

New trailers over a million views in an hour, only counting Marvel's version
seems pretty solid, not sure what Superman did

Superman hasn't had a full trailer yet. But it's teaser numbers were massive. F4's were not.

 

[Snow Queen]

Just gonna say yall doubted D&W and I said that was gonna cruise passed a billion easily. It's not about what happened a decade ago, it's about what's been happening now, and the FF news has been super popular since this project started its development. That's going to result in BO dollars.

I don't seem to recall doubting that Deadpool would make money. Maybe I was wrong, in which case okay. I expect FF will do well. Not a billion well, but well. But that's different than a position of strength. I don't think the property itself is an inherent pull for the GA in 2025, simple as. Most of the GA, it's those old characters with twenty years of bad movies. I expect a very popular lead and an aesthetic that sets it apart will do a lot for it, but I don't think FF is a property that can sit back and coast on name.

 

[Spider-Fan]

I don't seem to recall doubting that Deadpool would make money. Maybe I was wrong, in which case okay. I expect FF will do well. Not a billion well, but well. But that's different than a position of strength. I don't think the property itself is an inherent pull for the GA in 2025, simple as. Most of the GA, it's those old characters with twenty years of bad movies. I expect a very popular lead and an aesthetic that sets it apart will do a lot for it, but I don't think FF is a property that can sit back and coast on name.

I dont think FF is making a billion, but I also think it's cruising passed Cap 4 and Thunderbolts easily and wouldn't be surprised at all if it hit 700 WW. Which for this is a massive win.

I could easily argue Superman has the same issue of multiple decades of bad movies and that this has no chance, but like the FF, Superman has shown me the interest is there. Audience tastes change. The FF were not cool in 2005 maybe, but Ghost Rider was arguably more popular than Captain America in the 90s. Totally not the case now. The FF are coming in at the right time.

 

[KaijuDude1992]

Not as good as the teaser IMO but I still enjoyed this trailer and I actually really like the fact that they are teasing Galactus. Unlike the marketing with BNW which pretty much spoiled everything from the get go I can atleast appreciate Disney/Marvel showing more restraint with this movie and keeping as much close to the vest as possible.

Also, while the effects do look like they need a bit of polishing I don't think SS looks that bad but I'm sure she will look better closer to release.

 

[Snow Queen]

I dont think FF is making a billion, but I also think it's cruising passed Cap 4 and Thunderbolts easily and wouldn't be surprised at all if it hit 700 WW. Which for this is a massive win.

I could easily argue Superman has the same issue of multiple decades of bad movies and that this has no chance, but like the FF, Superman has shown me the interest is there. Audience tastes change. The FF were not cool in 2005 maybe, but Ghost Rider was arguably more popular than Captain America in the 90s. Totally not the case now. The FF are coming in at the right time.

Superman absolutely does have a struggle. Superman has to prove DC isn't the edgy loser company because even all these years after firing Zack Snyder, I still see people hear DC and think Batman v Superman. Even with all the movies that came after. Based on the fact people who aren't me quite like Gunn's superhero work so far, I think they can probably pull that off some degree but I do think Superman gotta work for it. Which it seems like they're doing so far. See how it goes.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Just gonna say yall doubted D&W and I said that was gonna cruise passed a billion easily. It's not about what happened a decade ago, it's about what's been happening now, and the FF news has been super popular since this project started its development. That's going to result in BO dollars.

We doubted the quality. I said for a very long time that it was going to make a bank. So I was pretty much right on both accounts.

 

[Shinobi Shaw]

Luckily the FF doesn't have a legion of unrelenting and unsightly Incels plotting a hate campaign against them all because of some hack director.

Good luck with that Supes.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

But the frequent coverage means it has interest. That's the point. That's why I was able to easily gage D&W was cruising passed a billions many months before release and why I was nervous about The Marvels flopping. The FF have been in the news this entire production cycle, so it has more interest than yall are giving it credit for

It means Marvel wants folks to have interest. That's two different things.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Luckily the FF doesn't have a legion of unrelenting and unsightly Incels plotting a hate campaign against them all because of some hack director.

Good luck with that Supes.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Luckily the FF doesn't have a legion of unrelenting and unsightly Incels plotting a hate campaign against them all because of some hack director.

Good luck with that Supes.

They sort of do now over the Surfer and the Johnny thing

 

[Snow Queen]

Luckily the FF doesn't have a legion of unrelenting and unsightly Incels plotting a hate campaign against them all because of some hack director.

Good luck with that Supes.

Excuse me but when the Trankcels rise up this summer... You're gonna regret this.

 

[Spider-Fan]

It means Marvel wants folks to have interest. That's two different things.

We shall see and I am gonna leave it at that.

 

[Shinobi Shaw]

They sort of do now over the Surfer and the Johnny thing

Excuse me but when the Trankcels rise up this summer... You're gonna regret this.

Small potatoes.