The Naked Fun in The Superhero Cinematic Civil War Thread - Part 61

[flickchick85]

Would’ve bought a Superman shirt too, but that damn new S is ugly.

It’s ok, I bought 4 to cancel out your poor taste.

 

[flickchick85]

Patrick Doyle's score for Thor is underrated. Some nice work in the films following, but Doyle's theme hits differently. The reprise in Ragnarok is perfect.

I don’t care much for Thor, but I do love the score.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

That's the movie's main flaw. After Steve rescues Bucky and the Howling Commandos the movie speeds up way too quickly. An extra ten minutes really would have helped.

He rescues Bucky only to... lose Bucky 10 minutes later.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Patrick Doyle's score for Thor is underrated. Some nice work in the films following, but Doyle's theme hits differently. The reprise in Ragnarok is perfect.

I love it. Thor's/Asgard's theme is so pretty and the variations throughout the film are embedded in my soul.

Does any MCU hero have a theme that comes close? Genuine question I can't think of one, but there are lot.

 

[Shinobi Shaw]

It’s ok, I bought 4 to cancel out your poor taste.

All I'm saying is that Brandon Routh is the last movie Supes to have a nice 'S'.

 

[flickchick85]

All I'm saying is that Brandon Routh is the last movie Supes to have a nice 'S'.

All you’re saying is nonsense.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I'm a simple guy, so I favor the more classic S. But honestly, I feel like even Cavill had a good shield. Might've been the only good thing he had.

 

[Man in the Suit]

The original Thor has aged the best of Phase 1 and I don't feel like it's particularly close.

That's the power of Kenny B.

 

[flickchick85]

I love it. Thor's/Asgard's theme is so pretty and the variations throughout the film are embedded in my soul.

Does any MCU hero have a theme that comes close? Genuine question I can't think of one, but there are lot.

Giacchino’s Doctor Strange theme is my favorite (again, for a movie I don’t even like!), but it’s practically been phased out.

 

[flickchick85]

I'm a simple guy, so I favor the more classic S.

That’s just because y’all have not been blessed by the Warworld Saga. It changes both lives and \S/ preferences.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Giacchino’s Doctor Strange theme is my favorite (again, for a movie I don’t even like!), but it’s practically been phased out.

Good shout FC.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

That’s just because y’all have not been blessed by the Warworld Saga. It changes both lives and \S/ preferences.

We both know I'm too stubborn anyway.

 

[Shinobi Shaw]

Speaking of the \S/, to this day I'm still bummed I can't find a Death of Superman Bloody S shirt where the logo isn't dinky looking.

David on 'Roseanne' had a cool one back in the day:

 

[Ninjablade]

I love it. Thor's/Asgard's theme is so pretty and the variations throughout the film are embedded in my soul.

Does any MCU hero have a theme that comes close? Genuine question I can't think of one, but there are lot.

It'll come down to taste, but for me there are plenty I like more than it.

MCU Themes NB Likes:
- Christophe Beck's Ant-Man:

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- Christophe Beck's Wasp:

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- Alan Silvestri's Avengers:

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- Alan Silvestri's Captain America:

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- Henry Jackman's Captain America from TWS:

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- Michael Giacchino's Doctor Strange:

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- Michael Giacchino's Spider-Man:

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- Ludwig Göransson's Black Panther:

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Full stop, Ant-Man and The Wasp has one of the best MCU scores in general, but it gets so lost because the rest of the movie is so goddamn boring you can't remember anything else.

 

[Ninjablade]

Not sure why the Ant-Man and Wasp themes aren't going into the post, and it's really annoying that it takes 5 business days to try and edit the damn thing

 

[Drizzle]

I love it. Thor's/Asgard's theme is so pretty and the variations throughout the film are embedded in my soul.

Does any MCU hero have a theme that comes close? Genuine question I can't think of one, but there are lot.

The Black Panther theme comes to mind for me, but that's because of Gorannson working his magic.

While Thor's theme changed with each movie, I think each of the scores for his solos have been good to great and I did appreciate Mothersbaugh revisiting the original theme in Ragnarok.

Giacchino’s Doctor Strange theme is my favorite (again, for a movie I don’t even like!), but it’s practically been phased out.

The fact that Danny Elfman was able to put aside his own ego for a minute to incorporate it briefly in the Multiverse of Madness score gives me hope that the theme will keep following Strange, which has become rare for most of the MCU themes.

 

[DJ Kornphlake]

That's the movie's main flaw. After Steve rescues Bucky and the Howling Commandos the movie speeds up way too quickly. An extra ten minutes really would have helped.

Would have liked more Hugo Weaving as well.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

MCU Rewind

1. Iron Man (2008) dir. Jon Favreau

"I am Iron Man."

When I made the decision (sorry Snow) to do this rewatch of all the MCU flicks, I felt trepidation. Less so about the amount of movies and more that I’d have to start with the much heralded Iron Man. A film I fell out of love with a while ago. To get it out of the way, yes, it’s a landmark, important film. One I’d call good. But how good is?

The film belongs RDJ. If he didn’t work, neither would the movie. Iron Man is film with the bones of a script and not much else so it’s on him to infuse it with all potential life. Thankfully he’s up to the task. It’s interesting seeing him put in such a workman like performance considering what both he and the MCU as a whole have become. But he has the hard hat on at all times, to aid his usual charismatic performance.

More then it’s sequel, this is the film where Tony feels like a recovering addict. After the calamity that leaves him only mostly dead, he proudly proclaims his eyes were opened his eyes. But there isn’t much difference between Tony at the start of the film and the end. As with most folks who are struck by a personal tragedy, it is how it effects him that moves Tony. And what Tony finds in his armor is a layer of protection, a new fix. Something to lose himself in and stop dealing with all those icky, messy emotions.

This is not a flaw. On the contrary, I think it’s what works best about Iron Man throughout the MCU. Like an addict who speeds through the 12 steps, he moralizes without ever truly reflecting on his own hypocrisy. Sometimes he realizes he messes up, might even apologize, but it’s nearly all from a selfish place of main character syndrome and it works. Because like his first suit he’s broken pieces put back together, mended. Not something new.

Sadly there isn’t any of this kind of depth for any of the other characters in the film. All are one note, with a specific task of either being there for Tony to simply play off or to move the plot along. The one who ends up standing out is Coulson thanks to Gregg’s matter of fact approach.

The look of the first two Iron Man movies are so stark compared to what comes after. For better and worse, they are 00s blockbusters through and through. The black levels pop, the camera work dynamic, but the world itself is stuck with the increasing blah aesthetic of our own. What really kills it in the looks department are the suits themselves. They nailed them. They have a real heft, presence that sells the whole concept. One of those transition to live action that thoroughly replaced the source material in my mind.

Where the film really suffers though is pacing. This is the aspect that makes me dread returning to this film (well outside of it’s moment of casual transphobia). Nearly every scene feels too long. The dramatic beats suffer more then the comedic ones, but it all feels stretched to a never achieved breaking point. Even with the autopilot of the pretty atrocious climax.

That said I don’t want to leave this review on a sour note, because the movie doesn’t. The final scene of the film is a classic. Drawing us in with the idea of Tony about to put on his thick glasses and S curl, to move into the shadows to become the silent guardian. But that’s not Tony Stark.

***1/2

Darth will return with The Film Marvel Forgot (until 2025)...

What? No. Of course there’s nothing else. The movie’s over. Go home.

 

[kguillou]

Man I miss when Tony’s suits felt clunky and real.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

The First Avenger. A film built around the idea of Cap punching Nazis, where he in fact doesn't punch one damn Nazi. And the film really, really wants you to know that.

 

[Snow Queen]

The First Avenger. A film built around the idea of Cap punching Nazis, where he in fact doesn't punch one damn Nazi. And the film really, really wants you to know that.

You can't sell Nazi ice cream!

 

[AndrewGilkison]

I keep forgetting that Tommy Lee Jones was in Cap 1.

His character was fun.

I loved his reactions to Skinny Steve. "We are going to win this war because we have the best men... *looks at Steve who's helmet is way too big for his head*.... And they are going to get better! MUCH, much better!"

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Why is this movie, "The Avengers" but all the sequels are, "Avengers"?

 

[Drizzle]

You can't sell Nazi ice cream!

So basically the implication here is that if you love chocolate, you're a Nazi Hydra?

 

[flickchick85]

Why is this movie, "The Avengers" but all the sequels are, "Avengers"?

It’s actually “Marvel’s The Avengers” because of Mrs. Peel.