The New Ghostbusters - Part 10

[Drizzle]

Now we wait for true reboot. I still want it.

 

[regwec]

They started their own business after selling Ray's parent's property and spent their last money on a Chinese dinner before they started making money. Then they worked their asses off sometimes without sleep. I'd say they were blue collar.

But they were university academics. As I said, it is difficult to assess this from a non-American context: in Europe, class is notably distinct from wealth

 

[TheComicbookKid]

No we will see some sorta live action ghostbusters within the next 10 years, i don't see sony giving up on the franchise at all.

The huge success of the original could be considered a fluke but the concept of ghostbusters is actually quite rich, you can do all different ghost stories with comedy and horror elements so its not like the original ghostbusters opens and closes the concept because it doesn't

maybe they will make a live action tv show, or cross over with another franchise, or attempt another team movie.

Nah. There was an almost scorched Earth policy the way this movie went down. The concept without those four kills fans enthusiasm. Extreme failed as a cartoon. This failed as a movie. If the next set of animated attempts fail. Ghostbusters as a viable property will go into slumber for at least until GB 2016 is out of memory for a generation.


Ghost as a genre aren't popular unless it's horror or Scooby-Doo.

 

[TheVileOne]

I kind of feel this would've been the case even if it was an all-male cast too.

The shadow of the original still would've loomed large.

If you are going to do a reboot like this, you are better off mining something like Pete's Dragon.

 

[def28]

I still say marketing was their number one issue. It just made too many people cringe.

They needed some cooler/creepy sci fi fantasy stuff going on in this film as well. Ghostsbuters had some pretty out their ideas. Even for today the villains are pretty crazy. Here the villain was just a guy who was bullied and always taken for laughs.

Not exactly as much of a threat as Gozer and terror dogs. When Dana gets possessed that is straight out of a horror film, here pretty much everything is Scooby Doo level. They needed that balance of real horror and comedy and that wasn't here at all.

 

[Spiderine]

There is no new version of GB that will ever reach the heights of the original. Thats just the way it is but there were only two viable options IMO.

Either continue the series in continuity with the original having a new team mentored by an original GB or reboot it by recasting the old characters with new actors. People probably would have hated option 2 as well but there was never going to be a Murray and Ackroyd return in prominent roles anyway.

 

[Dugath]

I never thought the issue was an all female cast and I still do not.

I watched with very low expectations and it turns out what I thought the issues were is in fact the case.

1- The cast (being female having nothing to do with it) - some of them were just not believable in the roles. For instance while I do enjoy Melissa McCarthy in some other movies (I actually really enjoyed The Boss) I did not buy into her character here.

2- The jokes were not funny. For instance the on going Jokes about Hemsworth's dumb as a rock character were not funny at all. I mean no one is that dumb and trying to make it that way and to make it funny just did not work. Probably goes into point 3 as well.

3- The script made the cast bad. Katie Dippold, Paul Feig need to crawl into a hole and never put "pen to paper" again.

Overall this was just a bad movie for many reason.

 

[BoredGuy]

But they were university academics. As I said, it is difficult to assess this from a non-American context: in Europe, class is notably distinct from wealth

Yeah the idea of class here is somewhat vague, it has to do mainly with wealth, but also with attitude and how one presents oneself. So you can work at a University, but if you're not that rich off it and you take part in things that are considered "lower class" activities, people can still see you as essentially Blue-collar even though you work a "white collar" job. On the flip side, you can make only 30k a year, but if you dress nice and lease a new car and other things to present yourself as well-to-do, you'll be called white collar. And these "collar" designations are pretty much entirely separate from the Upper-Class/Middle-Class/Lower-Class or 1%/99% designations, which are entirely about wealth and income

So basically, Ray and even Pete come off as fairly blue collar despite their Professor jobs, and Winston is definitely Blue Collar, while Egon comes off pretty white collar. But based on their financial issues in the films, they are all probably middle to upper-middle class in terms of wealth.

 

[WereCoyote]

I kind of feel this would've been the case even if it was an all-male cast too.

The shadow of the original still would've loomed large.

If you are going to do a reboot like this, you are better off mining something like Pete's Dragon.

Yeah I watched the flick, didn't like it, not because it was an all female cast, but because I just didn't find the characters, funny or really that likeable. I didn't laugh once through the entire film, not a good sign for a comedy. It felt like they were going more for a Mad TV Stuart, "Look what I can do" comedy than the quick witted brand of humor the original franchise excelled at.

 

[TheComicbookKid]

Yeah I watched the flick, didn't like it, not because it was an all female cast, but because I just didn't find the characters, funny or really that likeable. I didn't laugh once through the entire film, not a good sign for a comedy. It felt like they were going more for a Mad TV Stuart, "Look what I can do" comedy than the quick witted brand of humor the original franchise excelled at.

Boom. Like I've said so many times previously. Sony set themselves up for failure when they wanted this to be a franchise/major money maker.

Many fans of GB didn't want a different style of comedy. They wanted the style of the original that has become more associated with indie films than major franchises in today's market.

Even if they'd gone with the Channing Tatum version, fans would have moaned about the style of comedy not being Ghostbusters.

 

[RiXi]

The movie just came out yesterday here in Mexico. I loved it. Too bad it probably won't get a sequel.

 

[Jay Beezy]

I never thought the issue was an all female cast and I still do not.

I watched with very low expectations and it turns out what I thought the issues were is in fact the case.

1- The cast (being female having nothing to do with it) - some of them were just not believable in the roles. For instance while I do enjoy Melissa McCarthy in some other movies (I actually really enjoyed The Boss) I did not buy into her character here.

2- The jokes were not funny. For instance the on going Jokes about Hemsworth's dumb as a rock character were not funny at all. I mean no one is that dumb and trying to make it that way and to make it funny just did not work. Probably goes into point 3 as well.

3- The script made the cast bad. Katie Dippold, Paul Feig need to crawl into a hole and never put "pen to paper" again.

Overall this was just a bad movie for many reason.

The cast might have appealed to me more if there was more diverse acting background between the four Ghostbusters instead of two Bridesmaids stars and two SNL performers.

 

[LostSon88]

I saw it on my own. Couldn't convince a single person to watch it with me but given the decent RT reviews I wanted to give it the benefit of the doubt.

End result? Yeah, I didn't like it at all. The humor just doesn't work...

 

[Blade X]

'Ghostbusters' Heading for $70M-Plus Loss, Sequel Unlikely

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/ghostbusters-heading-70m-loss-sequel-918515

And this is where I come in and say "I told you so". I said it before, and I'll say it again, the filmmakers stupid creative decision to make this movie a gender bending remake instead of making it a sequel with a next generation all female GB team is the MAIN reason why this movie has under performed at the box office. Like I have said numerous times before, most (NOT ALL) moviegoers see race,gender,and sexual orientation bending remakes of popular and/or well known iconic characters as being nothing more than a parody of the original versions. This is why it is important to stay mostly on model. So either give moviegoers the on model characters or create brand new legacy characters to carry the franchise forward.

 

[Blade X]

what is a true reboot?

Peter,Ray,Egon,Winston,and Janine. Nuff said.

 

[Blade X]

There is no new version of GB that will ever reach the heights of the original. Thats just the way it is but there were only two viable options IMO.

Either continue the series in continuity with the original having a new team mentored by an original GB or reboot it by recasting the old characters with new actors. People probably would have hated option 2 as well but there was never going to be a Murray and Ackroyd return in prominent roles anyway.

There's a 3rd option. Treat the film franchise like the James Bond movie franchise and recast the roles of the original GB team and Janine with other actors as the film franchise continues.

A 4th option (which they are rumored to be doing) is to do the GB movie franchise as a continuing series of CGI animated movies. Preferably as either a continuation of the REAL/EXTREME GHOSTBUSTERS continuity or as a series of movies that adapt and/or retell stories from episodes of those 2 series, but in a longer movie form. Hell, many of the epiusodes from those 2 series could be retold and adapted for live action as well.

 

[TheCommissioner]

hope all you pigs are happy

no sequel and the franchise goes into a coma

 

[FlopWatch]

hope all you pigs are happy

no sequel and the franchise goes into a coma

That's Sony's fault: terrible marketing, ridiculous budgeting, had little to no international appeal, marginalizing your audience, basically fanning the flames of a toxic environment with everything regarding the film, etc.

 

[def28]

hope all you pigs are happy

no sequel and the franchise goes into a coma

And who's fault is that?

The scumbags that hated the film strictly because it was women represented what, less then 1% of the audience they are going for? This film flopped on it's own. Somehow a few people kept thinking a minority of trolls are who decides if it's a success haha.

It was the media and Sony who blew all this up anyways, trying to make it seem like everyone who didn't like the film was a basement dwelling jerk who lives for making comments on the internet 24/7. That was never even close to the majority of audiences but they thought the backlash was prime for marketing, and got a property that nobody was talking about articles and think pieces. That was never gonna work cause well... the film itself had terrible marketing.

 

[regwec]

hope all you pigs are happy

no sequel and the franchise goes into a coma

I am very doubtful that anyone here had much to do with so few people wanting to see what they felt to be a mediocre and unappealing movie.

 

[FlopWatch]

And who's fault is that?

The scumbags that hated the film strictly because it was women represented what, less then 1% of the audience they are going for? This film flopped on it's own. Somehow a few people kept thinking a minority of trolls are who decides if it's a success haha.

It was the media and Sony who blew all this up anyways, trying to make it seem like everyone who didn't like the film was a basement dwelling jerk who lives for making comments on the internet 24/7. That was never even close to the majority of audiences but they thought the backlash was prime for marketing, and got a property that nobody was talking about articles and think pieces. That was never gonna work cause well... the film itself had terrible marketing.

Agreed, they failed to appeal to the mainstream audiences period.

 

[regwec]

I am enjoying your username.

 

[TheCommissioner]

Agreed, they failed to appeal to the mainstream audiences period.

Actually I think it exposed how regressive and backward the mainstream audience can be

much like now the rise of Donald Trump has exposed a good chunk of Americans for the rotten and hateful cave trolls they are

 

[Kyle]

Actually I think it exposed how regressive and backward the mainstream audience can be

much like now the rise of Donald Trump has exposed a good chunk of Americans for the rotten and hateful cave trolls they are

Right... Now account for why this film didn't have the same size of legs as other Feig films and female driven films. If it was good it would have performed like the others. Other female led films have better legs than this film could have hoped for. Now explain why that is the case if the audience is so regressive.

Major case in point - 'Spy' (2016) brought in DOUBLE at the box office what this film did with an original premise and a female lead.... It brought in DOUBLE what a franchise film with a built in fanbase did which throws in a major handicap already in Ghostbusters favor. If all went right, Ghostbusters should have easily out grossed 'Spy' but it had trouble even pulling in HALF of what that original film did. But no let's not blame the movie and marketing for failing - let's blame the audience who must be so regressive they made an ORIGINAL FEMALE LED Spy make double what this Ghostbusters pulled in. That's very regressive.

 

[regwec]

Nobody can blame this movie's core demographic for failing to heed the studio's cries of "we hate you; give us your money".

A female-led Ghostbusters movie might have done perfectly well if (a) the marketing wasn't repellent and, (b) it was good.