The New Ghostbusters - Part 10

[bluejake01]

No he was calling out all nerds.

You'll have to back that up with in context quotes and a source, or it means nothing.

 

[samsnee]

So I'm curious. Does this feel like a Ghostbusters film that happens to have McCarthy and Wiig in it, or does it feel like a Feige/McCarthy film that just happens to use Ghostbusters?

 

[Shadow Moses]

So I'm curious. Does this feel like a Ghostbusters film that happens to have McCarthy and Wiig in it, or does it feel like a Feige/McCarthy film that just happens to use Ghostbusters?

Like an extended SNL sketch with Ghostbusters cosplay ?

 

[Doctor Jones]

Well I was wrong about the box office, but I wouldn't count this out yet.

 

[TheCommissioner]

So I'm curious. Does this feel like a Ghostbusters film that happens to have McCarthy and Wiig in it, or does it feel like a Feige/McCarthy film that just happens to use Ghostbusters?

actually neither, but nice way to try and pigeonhole

its a movie that presents Ghostbusters in a different light then what some people were accustomed to

 

[Kanon]

You'll have to back that up with in context quotes and a source, or it means nothing.

"Geek culture is home to some of the biggest *******s I’ve ever met in my life" -Paul Feig

http://www.nydailynews.com/entertai...-paul-feig-responds-attacks-article-1.2621647

That's open for interpretation, if he means most geeks are a-holes, or that they are hidden in geek culturel among mostly cool geeks, but he could have said just "internet culture", or "moviegoing culture", or "occidental culture". He choose "geek culture" for a reason. If I were to say (just to a very hard example) that female activism is home to the biggest a-holes, I'm sure most women would take offense (and with reason, any group would require clarification)

 

[TheVileOne]

There is a little more to it tough. At least Disney didn't pubicly offer money to critics, while the official stance of the producers of GB from day one was "critics are from trolls that hate women".

I believe the subject is not worth arguing any longer that what it has, but there seems to be a chasm between the score and the fresh/rotten submissions Seriously, would someone recommend a movie while grading it a 6.5/10? 'Cause that's what the average critic did, apparently. Grading the movie with a low score, but at the time of calling it fresh or rotten, choosing fresh, hints at fear of being called out as "hater".

I hate to drag this subject any longer, I'd rather like to talk about the box office, or audience responses now that the movie is there for everyone to see.

6.5/10 isn't necessarily a rotten rating depending on reviewer. Also speaking as a reviewer not all films by critics are graded on the same scale. Just because that's the average score RT obtained doesn't mean that all the critics are giving the film a low score but rating it fresh anyway just so they don't get called out as being sexist.

Let's call a spade a spade here. Some people are just genuinely baffled that this film got a certified fresh rating on Rotten Tomatoes and reviews that were much better than expected because yeah the trailers were terrible and the posters were terrible. All this comes down to is the fact that people who were emotionally against the film are coming up with excuses for why this film got better than expected reviews. It was a bad marketing job all around, but like some people genuinely like the movie. Nothing wrong with that.

 

[Sithborg]

That's because it's not a joke, Paul Feig came out and blamed geeks everywhere when most people who would have saw this film are geeks in the first place. Geeks are predominantly made up of men so to insult over half the people who were going to see the film is not good marketing strategy. Not saying that women are not geeks too but there are less compared to men and I'm sure even women felt insulted by Feig comments too.

And you have seen where he has toned it down, a bit. He even states that his initial blow up wasn't exactly appropriate.

It feels like a different version of Ghostbusters. I will say, they feel more like scientists than the originals.

 

[TheCommissioner]

because he really isn't wrong, go back through various pages of this thread and others like it

we're a shower of a-holes who haven't been held accountable for anything until recently and have let our being catered to turn us into a bunch of spoiled troglodytes who shout "stop r**ing my childhood" at every opportunity

 

[bluejake01]

"Geek culture is home to some of the biggest *******s I’ve ever met in my life" -Paul Feig

http://www.nydailynews.com/entertai...-paul-feig-responds-attacks-article-1.2621647

That's open for interpretation, if he means most geeks are a-holes, or that they are hidden in geek culturel among mostly cool geeks, but he could have said just "internet culture", or "moviegoing culture", or "occidental culture". He choose "geek culture" for a reason. If I were to say (just to a very hard example) that female activism is home to the biggest a-holes, I'm sure most women would take offense (and with reason, any group would require clarification)

He did not say all geeks. And I absolutely agree with him. I have encountered so many of the mouth breathers and knuckle draggers in my work with fandom.

 

[TheCommissioner]

Our community is more awful than it is good, and the good people have done nothing to make things better

time that changes

 

[Kanon]

6.5/10 isn't necessarily a rotten rating depending on reviewer. Also speaking as a reviewer not all films by critics are graded on the same scale. Just because that's the average score RT obtained doesn't mean that all the critics are giving the film a low score but rating it fresh anyway just so they don't get called out as being sexist.

Let's call a spade a spade here. Some people are just genuinely baffled that this film got a certified fresh rating on Rotten Tomatoes and reviews that were much better than expected because yeah the trailers were terrible and the posters were terrible. All this comes down to is the fact that people who were emotionally against the film are coming up with excuses for why this film got better than expected reviews. It was a bad marketing job all around, but like some people genuinely like the movie. Nothing wrong with that.

Just to be clear, I really don't question any reviews actually, my point was just that there was a little more than just wacky theory to critics probably afraid of being called out, that it was not in the same level as Disney paying critics, or critics having a bias against WB, etc.

 

[GuestStar2004]

Thing about feig and geeks is that we are in the age of geek culture and maybe when he started ghostbusters he didn't quite imagine how attached people were to the original movie.

Best thing he could do is just not argue with the nasty haters over Twitter, yeah some may have hurt his feelings but when he has the job of remaking a beloved movie like ghostbusters you cant just act like you won't get loads of criticism for it.

 

[Sithborg]

"Geek culture is home to some of the biggest *******s I’ve ever met in my life" -Paul Feig

http://www.nydailynews.com/entertai...-paul-feig-responds-attacks-article-1.2621647

That's open for interpretation, if he means most geeks are a-holes, or that they are hidden in geek culturel among mostly cool geeks, but he could have said just "internet culture", or "moviegoing culture", or "occidental culture". He choose "geek culture" for a reason. If I were to say (just to a very hard example) that female activism is home to the biggest a-holes, I'm sure most women would take offense (and with reason, any group would require clarification)

Looks at Gamergate. Looks at the Sad/Rabid Puppies. Looks at the Bring Back Legends groups.

No, he was absolutely right.

 

[Kanon]

He did not say all geeks. And I absolutely agree with him. I have encountered so many of the mouth breathers and knuckle draggers in my work with fandom.

He didn't say "some", "a few", "half of". He choose his words, focusing the problem specifically on geek culture for a reason. And for that, I asume he meant at least "most of" geek culture.

 

[Blade X]

so all straight white dudes all the time for you to project on and be worthy of your dollar

got it

I will write that down

I'll be gentle as I tear you a new one.

1. I'm a Black man, and damn proud of it. I have been calling for more diversity in genre fiction in all media. So you are barking up the wrong tree with that "so all straight white dudes all the time for you to project on and be worthy of your dollar" BS. I've also been outspoken about the race bending of minority characters into white characters in movie and film adaptions. What are you some white self righteous liberal who will label any person who disagrees with you a "racist" or "sexist" or label a Black person who doesn't agree with your liberal point of views an "Uncle Tom"?

2. You do realize that the original 4 GB were not all white, right? Just like a typical self righteous white liberal, you over look the Black man. And speaking of Ernie Hudson, it pisses me off that in the original movie that they reduced his role and left out details about his military background because Bill Murray joined the cast. Of course, that's the self righteous liberal white Hollywood for you, they will crap all over the minority actors and characters all for the sake of the all mighty dollar.

3. Do you have trouble reading? I have said numerous times that I would be all for an all female GB team if said team was a legacy team that has taken up the mantle from the original GB team.

 

[Kanon]

Looks at Gamergate. Looks at the Sad/Rabid Puppies. Looks at the Bring Back Legends groups.

No, he was absolutely right.

I'm not saying he is wrong, or right. Just that he blamed geeks, wich is the point (a post by Xrated48) that it is being disputed

 

[bluejake01]

He didn't say "some", "a few", "half of". He choose his words, focusing the problem specifically on geek culture for a reason. And for that, I asume he meant at least "most of" geek culture.

Actually he quite literally said "some". "Home to SOME". You might want to quit while you are ahead, because you simply won't find quotes to back up your misinterpretation of what he said.

If the shoe doesn't fit, don't be offended by it.

 

[TheCommissioner]

Looks at Gamergate. Looks at the Sad/Rabid Puppies. Looks at the Bring Back Legends groups.

No, he was absolutely right.

not to mention the Hugo Awards, the campaign against Alison Rapp

 

[TheCommissioner]

I'll be gentle as I tear you a new one.

1. I'm a Black man, and damn proud of it. I have been calling for more diversity in genre fiction in all media. So you are barking up the wrong tree with that "so all straight white dudes all the time for you to project on and be worthy of your dollar" BS. I've also been outspoken about the race bending of minority characters into white characters in movie and film adaptions. What are you some white self righteous liberal who will label any person who disagrees with you a "racist" or "sexist" or label a Black person who doesn't agree with your liberal point of views an "Uncle Tom"?

2. You do realize that the original 4 GB were not all white, right? Just like a typical self righteous white liberal, you over look the Black man. And speaking of Ernie Hudson, it pisses me off that in the original movie that they reduced his role and left out details about his military background because Bill Murray joined the cast. Of course, that's the self righteous liberal white Hollywood for you, they will crap all over the minority actors and characters all for the sake of the all mighty dollar.

3. Do you have trouble reading? I have said numerous times that I would be all for an all female GB team if said team was a legacy team that has taken up the mantle from the original GB team.

I am also black, so congrats on both of us being wrong to a fashion

and as for your #3 - so a female team needs to prostrate before its male predecessors to be considered worthy?

 

[Kanon]

Actually he quite literally said "some". "Home to SOME". You might want to quit while you are ahead, because you simply won't find quotes to back up your misinterpretation of what he said.

If the shoe doesn't fit, don't be offended by it.

That "some" is "some of the biggest I have met", meaning he had met some in other places, not that some geeks are *******s. The ratio of *******s in geek culture is open to interpretation, the "some" refers to the amount of them that qualify as biggest among those he had met overall.

 

[GuestStar2004]

and as for your #3 - so a female team needs to prostrate before its male predecessors to be considered worthy?

Hey look when there is a dozen cameos in this movie like the original cast appearing All over the place, stay puft, slimer and whatever else then yeah it wouldn't be all much different if it was in the same universe since they are already being held up by a lot of nostalgia.

If anything I'd rather the original cast were not in it playing different characters at all if I am honest, esp if it's not in the same universe but nope they all got asked to cameo

 

[bluejake01]

That "some" is "some of the biggest I have met", meaning he had met some in other places, not that some geeks are *******s. The ratio of *******s in geek culture is open to interpretation, the "some" refers to the amount of them that qualify as biggest among those he had met overall.

It's still not a fact that he said all geeks were. He said geek culture is "home to some of the biggest"...and that is an opinion that I certainly share. It's still doesn't support any interpretation that claims he said "all geeks are teh badness"

 

[Sithborg]

I would much rather have Sigourney's cameo character than to have her play her original character.

And I do think that them playing up the more scientist role instead of "ghost exterminator" role is a big change for most to get over. But, I think it will lead to better stories.

 

[Blade X]

Like an extended SNL sketch with Ghostbusters cosplay ?

LOL, just like I predicted and most likely how many (NOT ALL) moviegoers saw this movie.