The New Ghostbusters - Part 10

[Kahran Ramsus]

Always felt this franchise struggled beyond the original film anyway. Still, I didn't hate the film and would have been happy to see the cast with a better story/direction.

I'm of the opinion that the first Ghostbusters was kind of a fluke. It worked because you had some of the greatest comedic minds ever all their prime and at the top of their game at the same time. Kind of like Caddyshack. It is magic that is extremely difficult to recapture more than once.

 

[regwec]

Partly that but also a genuinely likeable mix of characters and an atmosphere very finely balanced between threat and humour. All three variables are very difficult to achieve, and the originality of the original is, of course, impossible to recapture.

 

[henzINNIT]

Add in that it was made at a time when a big budget comedy about blue-collar ghost exterminators could happen, and more importantly be allowed to happen without too much studio meddling... It's lightning you can't capture twice.

 

[TheComicbookKid]

Passing on the Extreme Ghostbusters setup is what I found most baffling. You get to double the nostalgia bux there - the oldsters that enjoyed the original, and young adults like me that were more familiar with the Extreme GB cartoon. Plus with that aesthetic you can market the **** out of it with the Hot Topic crowd and pull in even more fans.

Honestly, I loved what I read of Max Landis's GB3 treatment with Gozer and Tiamat. Take that, make the EXGBs the mains, with the old team there to help guide them when they stumble and fall - and you've got a winner that appeals to a wide variety of audiences.

The problem was never the story. The problem is the cast is and always will be hard to match.

The Stay Puft MM and Slimer are the most iconic monsters in the movie and they are in for like 5 minutes total. The busting part was secondary to the comedy.

Bill Murray isn't even Bill Murray from the 80s anymore.

Same thing I said about Indy. No amount of CGI will make me want to see Indy as an old man.

 

[Binker]

I think the original was a fluke. All of the right things, all of the right ingredients, in all of the right places at all of the right times. In many ways, it probably shouldn't have worked, yet it did and did it perfectly.

After all, look at Ghostbusters 2: sure you may have a soft spot for it, sure it might be good with some flaws, but it never captured the success of the original.

Ghostbusters 3 technically exists with the video game, but even then, it had to repeat what has been done before. And it works like that because...well, it wouldn't if we saw the actors in their actual ages. GB3 would've been up there with Indy 4 and Blues Brothers 2000.

The only things that worked past those movies were (with ALOT of exceptions from one) are The Real Ghostbusters cartoon, and the Extreme Ghostbusters animated series. I kept saying with this reboot that they should look at Extreme because that worked with what was done before, and it helped create a new series out of the old and into the new. Hell, have Ernie Hudson and Dan Aykroyd in it as those helping in shaping up the new team, with Winston as the drill Sergent, and Ray still being the heart, while being torn about doing this alone without Egon at his side. Peter, if Murray still wanted to do it, could just be a cameo along with Weaver if she wanted to do the same.

I don't know what they could do at this point for the sequel to the reboot if the sequel is iced as they said. As of now, the reboot is sorta 'there". The sequel could be better than the first, but after all of the crap from the internet to the studio over this movie, will people really, REALLY, be wanting to try another film again?

 

[jmc]

The truth is all these films we grew up with were flukes, nothing was ever planned to be a franchIse, they just organically became franchises down the years. I am hoping moving forward this debacle will serve as a warning to other studios. You don't piss the audience off before the movie gets released. I have never seen a more discpicable marketing campaign in my life.

 

[regwec]

Were the original Ghostbusters "blue collar"? It's hard for an outsider to work out how class works in America, but I thought Aykroyd at least was distinctly white collar.

 

[TheVileOne]

There's nothing white collar about Ray. White collar is someone like Donald Trump.

 

[Sundancer]

'Ghostbusters' Heading for $70M-Plus Loss, Sequel Unlikely

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/ghostbusters-heading-70m-loss-sequel-918515

 

[MadVillainy]

Were the original Ghostbusters "blue collar"? It's hard for an outsider to work out how class works in America, but I thought Aykroyd at least was distinctly white collar.

They werent blue collar but I wouldnt call them white collar either

 

[Mike_D202]

They started their own business after selling Ray's parent's property and spent their last money on a Chinese dinner before they started making money. Then they worked their asses off sometimes without sleep. I'd say they were blue collar.

 

[Neno_Kos]

'Ghostbusters' Heading for $70M-Plus Loss, Sequel Unlikely

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/ghostbusters-heading-70m-loss-sequel-918515

Now we wait for true reboot. I still want it.

 

[Primal Slayer]

It's a shame this didnt do well at the box office and wont be getting a sequel, I loved it.

 

[sueb1863]

This would have worked so much better if they'd just done a comedy about paranormal investigators, a la Ghost Hunters/ Ghost Adventures, and stayed away from the Ghostbusters name completely.

 

[Shifty]

This would have worked so much better if they'd just done a comedy about paranormal investigators, a la Ghost Hunters/ Ghost Adventures, and stayed away from the Ghostbusters name completely.

Audiences may have rejected it even more for "ripping off" Ghostbusters.

The quality of the film and marketing sunk the movie. It will have a positive effect on girls and young women but at the end of the day not enough people saw the film.

If $300 million worldwide is the breakeven point, that's attainable for most mediocre movies.

Pitch Perfect 2 made $290+ M.
The Divergent Series: Insurgent made $297 M.
Now You See Me 2 has earned over $300 M.
The Legend of Tarzan has grossed $335 M.
Suicide Squad has grossed $300 M today.

The international market said no thanks to the female Ghostbusters. Word of mouth didn't bring the domestic total to a respectable $150 million.

Now things may offset the loss, can't believe Sony actually said sales/rentals of the original was huge this summer and will help cover losses.

Maybe animated is the way to go as the international market seems to love animated films that do poorly in North America.

 

[Spiderine]

Passing on the Extreme Ghostbusters setup is what I found most baffling. You get to double the nostalgia bux there - the oldsters that enjoyed the original, and young adults like me that were more familiar with the Extreme GB cartoon. Plus with that aesthetic you can market the **** out of it with the Hot Topic crowd and pull in even more fans.

Honestly, I loved what I read of Max Landis's GB3 treatment with Gozer and Tiamat. Take that, make the EXGBs the mains, with the old team there to help guide them when they stumble and fall - and you've got a winner that appeals to a wide variety of audiences.

Greatest quote in this entire thread. This option made so much more sense that its absolutely beyond words that no one at Sony did this. This **** was practically written out for them. As a Ghostbusters fan I was so disappointed they didn't take this route. They even had great characters from Extreme Ghostbusters already at their disposal. Oh well......theres always MIB meets 23 Jumpstreet for Sony. Sounds like a bad Scooby Doo episode.

 

[GREEN =w= DAY]

so glad this bombed and there won't be a sequel

 

[Spiderine]

I think the original was a fluke. All of the right things, all of the right ingredients, in all of the right places at all of the right times. In many ways, it probably shouldn't have worked, yet it did and did it perfectly.

After all, look at Ghostbusters 2: sure you may have a soft spot for it, sure it might be good with some flaws, but it never captured the success of the original.

Ghostbusters 3 technically exists with the video game, but even then, it had to repeat what has been done before. And it works like that because...well, it wouldn't if we saw the actors in their actual ages. GB3 would've been up there with Indy 4 and Blues Brothers 2000.

The only things that worked past those movies were (with ALOT of exceptions from one) are The Real Ghostbusters cartoon, and the Extreme Ghostbusters animated series. I kept saying with this reboot that they should look at Extreme because that worked with what was done before, and it helped create a new series out of the old and into the new. Hell, have Ernie Hudson and Dan Aykroyd in it as those helping in shaping up the new team, with Winston as the drill Sergent, and Ray still being the heart, while being torn about doing this alone without Egon at his side. Peter, if Murray still wanted to do it, could just be a cameo along with Weaver if she wanted to do the same.

I don't know what they could do at this point for the sequel to the reboot if the sequel is iced as they said. As of now, the reboot is sorta 'there". The sequel could be better than the first, but after all of the crap from the internet to the studio over this movie, will people really, REALLY, be wanting to try another film again?

GB2 waited five years and a popular Saturday Morning Cartoon later to be released. It catered more to kids. Had a much lighter tone. I still got a soft spot for it but like somebody said that first one was the perfect storm. Hard to duplicate the perfect blend of dark comedic tone. And they really took liberty with the script. I always thought a GB3 would have been worse than 2.

 

[dark_b]

Now we wait for true reboot. I still want it.

what is a true reboot?

 

[sueb1863]

Audiences may have rejected it even more for "ripping off" Ghostbusters.

Not if they made the focus of the movie paranormal investigation instead of hunting and trapping ghosts. If you've ever watched Ghost Hunters or Ghost Adventures, they're nothing like Ghostbusters. They could have worked with that, goodness knows there have been plenty of ghost reality shows on TV, Lots of fodder there for comedy. They didn't need to use Ghostbusters at all.

 

[TheComicbookKid]

Now we wait for true reboot. I still want it.

You'll be a ghost before this franchise is live action again.

 

[GuestStar2004]

No we will see some sorta live action ghostbusters within the next 10 years, i don't see sony giving up on the franchise at all.

The huge success of the original could be considered a fluke but the concept of ghostbusters is actually quite rich, you can do all different ghost stories with comedy and horror elements so its not like the original ghostbusters opens and closes the concept because it doesn't

maybe they will make a live action tv show, or cross over with another franchise, or attempt another team movie.

 

[AnneFan]

what is a true reboot?

The opposite of a false reboot.

 

[Web-Head]

It's a shame this didnt do well at the box office and wont be getting a sequel, I loved it.

I enjoyed it too. But it's not a big deal to me that there won't be a sequel.

 

[chaseter]

You'll be a ghost before this franchise is live action again.

I chortled.