The New Ghostbusters - Part 5

[def28]

You mean tricking the audience by using sex appeal? In the end the audience wants a good product and none of those were Barb Wire. Tank Girl was another one I remember watching growing up. I mean it wasn't like some taboo thing for me and my friends to watch genre films with lead Women and question if it was intended for male or females. It seems like people are making it way more of a big deal in todays era, and I really don't get it.

If it's good people will like it.

 

[CaptainWagner]

Why can't the actual overall quality of whatever it is, in this case a fun and funny remake of the Ghostbusters, be a separate issue to all that you just typed though? Why? Say it is a "gimmick"... Okay... So what? Is the writing of the story and characters funny? Are the production values good? Did it make the audience laugh and have a good time? If it does that then... Who the frack cares about it being gimmicky? And there is where I have a problem with the fans being so loud about this... None of what you or others bring up is germane to the actual content or quality of the film. It's a choice the creators made and hopefully they deliver on the far more important aspects. That's what I would be far more concerned about. Instead I keep hearing harping on the ONE aspect that seems to stand out... The female cast. Is it a wonder why the term sexism is being thrown around? I don't mean that to be a smart ass, I mean that to really open some eyes. If instead of saying, "I don't like the gimmick of an all female cast" and instead the the line of criticism was, "I don't like the director's previous work" or "I don't like Mcarthy or Wiig as comedians" then, fine. BUT that doesn't seem to be what I hear a lot. I hear that for some reason it seems to offend fans that they made this film with an all female cast. Sorry, rightly or wrongly, if that is the bone of contention, then, yeah, it's not a surprise that some look at that as having a whiff of sexism to it.

Excellent post, sir!

 

[Vaibow]

.. it feels like he purposely went for an all female cast, his reasoning, we don't truly know - let's hope it's purely down to the fact they were the best people to tell this story. If it works, it works and fair play. But, If it's missing something, or falls off the mark (because of content and quality) then no doubt people will say 'hey, all female cast for ya'. I'm all for diversity, i'm all for change, but i don't like when politics and agenda's are brought in and quite frankly, to me and a lot of others, it feels like Feig is trying to make a statement.

If it's 'women are just as comedic' then, well, we know that.. let's just hope it all plans out.

 

[Alien Anal]

Why is it a statement anymore than the original film having an all male cast? What is the statement?

 

[Mike_D202]

Why is it a statement anymore than the original film having an all male cast? What is the statement?

Oh jeeze, there were no PC agendas in the early 80s. The script was written by two of the actors that played Ghostbusters (it was their idea) and cast a close friend they worked with in their comedy troupe (since the original choice passed away). It was just how it was written. Feig DID purposely cast all the women and THEN wrote the script. His reasoning: "I just find women funnier." Then the negativity backlash that people who are against it are the sexists. Irony considering his artistic choice, reasoning of choice, and having topless males.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

^Other than Belushi dying, obviously, most of what you wrote could equally apply to the cast and director of this remak.

 

[DarkKnight]

I'm just ready to see a trailer. That's all. I still don't like what I see. I don't like what I've read. but still willing to give final judgment based on the trailer. Label me sexist or racist if you want or not liking this thus far, don't really care. Honestly, I'm tired of people these days labeling people sexist or racist all the time over not liking or supporting something someone else does. Not attacking anyone here saying that. Just tired of seeing and hearing and reading this type of judgment all the time.

 

[Vaibow]

^Other than Belushi dying, obviously, most of what you wrote could equally apply to the cast and director of this remak.

Not at all, this wasn't the brain child of Wiig, McCarthy or even Jones.

Also, dynamics change when.. hmm, anyways, this is pointless to debate as some people see it, dome people don't. Each to their own hey?

Let's just hope, regardless of what directors say as their reasoning, it delivers.

 

[Black Narcissus]

Oh jeeze, there were no PC agendas in the early 80s. The script was written by two of the actors that played Ghostbusters (it was their idea) and cast a close friend they worked with in their comedy troupe (since the original choice passed away). It was just how it was written. Feig DID purposely cast all the women and THEN wrote the script. His reasoning: "I just find women funnier." Then the negativity backlash that people who are against it are the sexists. Irony considering his artistic choice, reasoning of choice, and having topless males.

You may not be in that group, but most of the folks hating on it through twitter are using sexist remarks.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

Not at all, this wasn't the brain child of Wiig, McCarthy or even Jones.

Also, dynamics change when.. hmm, anyways, this is pointless to debate as some people see it, dome people don't. Each to their own hey?

Let's just hope, regardless of what directors say as their reasoning, it delivers.

So... This is NOT a group of close friends that have worked together before on successful comedies? Got it.

 

[SuperT]

Right? It's the exact same situation as the original Ghostbusters - all of these actresses and the director have all worked together before on multiple projects.

So it's okay that the original movie was written and the cast was made up of friends/former co-workers but it's not okay for this movie? This situation has certainly brought out people's double standards.

 

[Galactus123]

The original Ghostbusters team was all male. Why is that okay but not an all female team?

I'm sure women wouldn't like if some all female team would be changed to be all male. Like if there was a new Charlie's Angels movie or TV show with only men.

 

[Rocketman]

Yuck, just the arguments in this thread make me not want to see the movie.

 

[SuperT]

I'm sure women wouldn't like if some all female team would be changed to be all male. Like if there was a new Charlie's Angels movie or TV show with only men.

But that's a false equivalency because men aren't underrepresented in media like women. Of course people would be upset if a all female cast, or all minority cast got replaced with men - we're already in everything.

 

[Vaibow]

So... This is NOT a group of close friends that have worked together before on successful comedies? Got it.

But that's not what you said though was it? That would be like Nolan helping it, bringing in his preferred actors.

You're missing the point - the majority of the original cast wrote the story together and materialized it.

Feig bringing along his BFF and saying women are funnier is a whole different ball game - don't you agree?

I'm not saying it is wrong - but imagine Thundercats being reimagined and it's an all female lead simply because 'i find women look better as cats, but don't worry, snarf is a male actor and he is buff' you would, hopefully think 'wtf' well, Feig saying women are funnier than men is a 'wtf' moment.

Shouldn't it be, 'i've introduced women to the fold, as it's 2015 and the ghostbusters lore has indeed introduced some great female characters that are very amusing'

Anyways, you seem pretty strong on your views, so that's cool.

 

[Vaibow]

But that's a false equivalency because men aren't underrepresented in media like women. Of course people would be upset if a all female cast, or all minority cast got replaced with men - we're already in everything.

Yeah i don't think that's the best example here, but too right the audience would be like 'wtf change the sex' as that ould then give us another mission impossible, james bond, bourne etc.

 

[HopeOfTheFuture]

I'm really curious when we will get the first trailer...

 

[Vaibow]

I'm really curious when we will get the first trailer...

There is no doubt, this film can be a hit. it just has to be a great first trailer to really set a good standard. MOS nailed it, for me, what i got in the theatre, was a different film. Not to say i didn't enjoy it.

 

[Mike_D202]

But that's a false equivalency because men aren't underrepresented in media like women. Of course people would be upset if a all female cast, or all minority cast got replaced with men - we're already in everything.

Your right, the white privileged males aren't allowed to have anything anymore because of white privilege. Sorry Dan Aykroyd and Ivan Reitman, you guys had a billion dollar idea but it's time to give it up, we need more shirtless Chris Hemsworth and big-tipped proton guns because Paul Feig thinks women are funnier than men. But you can't be upset otherwise your sexist.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

Your right, the white privileged males aren't allowed to have anything anymore because of white privilege. Sorry Dan Aykroyd and Ivan Reitman, you guys had a billion dollar idea but it's time to give it up, we need more shirtless Chris Hemsworth and big-tipped proton guns because Paul Feig thinks women are funnier than men. But you can't be upset otherwise your sexist.

Oh the drama queening going on in this thread... Is it the thinness of the atmosphere up on all of the crosses ya'll are nailed to or something?

 

[Mike_D202]

Happy thanksgiving everyone!

 

[Alien Anal]

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[AndrewGilkison]

I'm sure women wouldn't like if some all female team would be changed to be all male. Like if there was a new Charlie's Angels movie or TV show with only men.

There is nothing that says Ghostbusters is an all male team. Because there has only been one Ghostbusters team and they didn't form that team because they were men, they formed it because they needed to make money so they started a business that is basically pest control service.

Men are not the only ones who can work in pest control. Or start a business. Or work in a field that requires them to carry equipment and wear a uniform.

This is not Charlie's Angels. That comparison doesn't work at all. Ghostbusters is not gender exclusive just because the original team happened to be only men.

 

[Abudefduf]

You know, I'm pretty sure women would love a gender-swapped Charlie's Angels.

Three young, handsome men working as fabulously dressed spies for a powerful charming woman, yeah, I'm willing to bet all the money that I don't have that it'd be a hit with the female audience. Imagine all the slashfic potential.

...

But!, that's not what the thread's about, now is it. So yeah, Ghostbusters... I don't even like the original. The premise is incredibly cool but they absolutely wasted it. I didn't like Murray's character, the plot was dumb (an ancient Sumerian god... seriously? I thought the movie was about ghosts), and the only ghost we actually see them "busting" is Slimer. Lame.

I'm not a huge fan of Feig but there's no way this movie could be as mediocre as the first one... hopefully?

 

[def28]

Just watched Spy again and loved the heck out of it. Looking forward to this a lot more now.

There is nothing that says Ghostbusters is an all male team. Because there has only been one Ghostbusters team and they didn't form that team because they were men, they formed it because they needed to make money so they started a business that is basically pest control service.

Men are not the only ones who can work in pest control. Or start a business. Or work in a field that requires them to carry equipment and wear a uniform.

This is not Charlie's Angels. That comparison doesn't work at all. Ghostbusters is not gender exclusive just because the original team happened to be only men.

And that one team is the real issue. Classic characters who established this frnachise are being erased from this new film. And fans are pissed after waiting this long. If this was the first Ghostbusters film nobody would be debating about it being all Women. Heck if these were all Men and they changed the names in a reboot fans would still be pissed.

People have been asking for female members in Ghostbusters for years. Everyone seems to be forgetting this. What they were not asking for was erasing all characters that have been apart of the property for 30 years.