The New Ghostbusters - Part 5

[Vaibow]

Just watched Spy again and loved the heck out of it. Looking forward to this a lot more now.



And that one team is the real issue. Classic characters who established this frnachise are being erased from this new film. And fans are pissed after waiting this long. If this was the first Ghostbusters film nobody would be debating about it being all Women. Heck if these were all Men and they changed the names in a reboot fans would still be pissed.

People have been asking for female members in Ghostbusters for years. Everyone seems to be forgetting this. What they were not asking for was erasing all characters that have been apart of the property for 30 years.

This should be the closing speech of the argument. Well said.

 

[baerrtt]

This should be the closing speech of the argument. Well said.

Yeah. With the now released CREED and obviously STAR WARS:TFA soon this year there is emotional (nostalgic) and even dramatic value in actually seeing classic film characters hand over their 'mantle', so to speak, to new ones.

I'm looking forward to it next year but I can't but help, despite Feig's reasons, if an opportunity has been missed (yes the original cast are back but playing different characters).

 

[Sithborg]

Yeah. With the now released CREED and obviously STAR WARS:TFA soon this year there is emotional (nostalgic) and even dramatic value in actually seeing classic film characters hand over their 'mantle', so to speak, to new ones.

I'm looking forward to it next year but I can't but help, despite Feig's reasons, if an opportunity has been missed (yes the original cast are back but playing different characters).

(wonders where all the classic characters returning were in Jurassic World)

I will once again state, that without Ramis, Ghostbusters 3 wasn't happening. I would not trust Akroyd with a script. I mean, the big hurdle for Ghostbusters 3 was getting Murray and Akroyd on the same page, essentially. So, you end up going to someone else for the script. Which at this point, is not going to have the feel of the previous 2 movies. So, once you have that established, why not go in a completely different direction.

As for Feig's comments, look at where he has had success. I think it is pretty clear why he said what he said. And, I don't think Sony is willing to gamble on ANOTHER franchise.

 

[def28]

Jurassic World was still connected. Alan Grant still exists in that universe as does Hammond. It's a sequel that played from the previous films. If this was an extension of the Ghostbusters world then you wouldn't be seeing as many complaints. Jurassic Park is also a franchise that changes it's roster every film. It didn't rely on only having 4 main characters like TMNT or Ghostbusters for 30 years in just about every form of media. There was no way ditching those 4 Ghostbuster characters (recast or not) was ever gonna play smooth. The 80s and 90s kids who rule the comments on the net are now used to the older franchises still playing into things, not scrapping their childhood favorites.

Look, it's easy to see why fans of Ghostbusters are sketchy. They are getting rid of the history and characters they like. That's a fan hatred 101 move. I could say why not go a different direction with every franchise cause I like so and so, doesn't mean people are gonna like the choice. They need actual proof of the product itself before things sway their opinion on such changes. Fans ***** when a characters hair color ain't right. Of course they are gonna be worried here.

 

[Vaibow]

Jurassic World was still connected. Alan Grant still exists in that universe as does Hammond. It's a sequel that played from the previous films. If this was an extension of the Ghostbusters world then you wouldn't be seeing as many complaints. Jurassic Park is also a franchise that changes it's roster every film. It didn't rely on only having 4 main characters like TMNT or Ghostbusters for 30 years in just about every form of media. There was no way ditching those 4 Ghostbuster characters (recast or not) was ever gonna play smooth. The 80s and 90s kids who rule the comments on the net are now used to the older franchises still playing into things, not scrapping their childhood favorites.

Look, it's easy to see why fans of Ghostbusters are sketchy. They are getting rid of the history and characters they like. That's a fan hatred 101 move. I could say why not go a different direction with every franchise cause I like so and so, doesn't mean people are gonna like the choice. They need actual proof of the product itself before things sway their opinion on such changes. Fans ***** when a characters hair color ain't right. Of course they are gonna be worried here.

Nice post - i feel they are using the ghostbusters name - as value and to get bums on seats, but, it's not really the ghostbusters, it's just the logo and knock off versions.

They got back nearly every actor - why couldn't they have played the original characters? It should have been a passing on - but no, Feig said he couldn't, or didm;t know how to continue it after the events of the first two!

That's just lazy. So many good ideas have come up on this thread alone, how to continue it.

There are great female actresses out there that would compliment the world already created, just as well as male. Should have been a passing of the torch.

Regarding Jurassic world - sure there was a long gap between the last sequel and this one almost acts as reboot, but it involved the original T Rex, the jeeps - it had more than enough to let you know where it took inspiration from.

Anyways - trailer will be out soon, surely.

 

[Alien Anal]

Even if they did a "passing of the torch" the actors would have only been on screen for a short amount of time.

 

[def28]

Nice post - i feel they are using the ghostbusters name - as value and to get bums on seats, but, it's not really the ghostbusters, it's just the logo and knock off versions.

They got back nearly every actor - why couldn't they have played the original characters? It should have been a passing on - but no, Feig said he couldn't, or didm;t know how to continue it after the events of the first two!

That's just lazy. So many good ideas have come up on this thread alone, how to continue it.

There are great female actresses out there that would compliment the world already created, just as well as male. Should have been a passing of the torch.

Regarding Jurassic world - sure there was a long gap between the last sequel and this one almost acts as reboot, but it involved the original T Rex, the jeeps - it had more than enough to let you know where it took inspiration from.

Anyways - trailer will be out soon, surely.

I agree it is lazy to not find a plausible way to connect. And this is where I really disagree with Feigs comments on not trying to make people think about or compare the original. He can't escape that regardless and should be aware of it. He is gonna have to make one heck of a film in order for fans not to be let down with the changes he's making.

But yeah, looking forward to the trailer and hopefully this manages to surprise fans and cut down on the skepticism.

 

[The Guard]

There's nothing inherently lazy about not "continuing the story". If anything, THAT's somewhat lazier, though its all relative.

As for connections to the original films, I feel like there have been several rumors to the effect of "Future films will reveal some kind of connection to previous movies".

I think it's legitimate to want, within the world of the film, the concept of ghostbusting itself to be explored as new and different, and that can't be achieved with a previously existing team of Ghostbusters.

 

[def28]

There's nothing inherently lazy about not "continuing the story". If anything, THAT's somewhat lazier, though its all relative.

Disagree. And all the follow ups opposed to the remakes should be more then enough proof. The majority of these reboots always leave behind what made the originals work due to studios and film makers thinking they need to reinvent, and personally I'm tired of seeing it. It's much easier for someone to take Ghostbusters and do whatever the heck they want with it as opposed to playing within the franchises rules.

I feel like there have been several rumors to the effect of "Future films will reveal some kind of connection to previous movies".

True true.

 

[The Guard]

Even if they did a "passing of the torch" the actors would have only been on screen for a short amount of time.

And it wouldn't even have been the characters people wanted to see. Very few people (mainstream audiences) would have given two figs about a movie where the only original Ghostbusters were an aging Ernie Hudson and Dan Akroyd.

I suspect, had they been able to get at least Bill Murray on board in an actual role, they would have made some attempt to connect the franchises.

 

[def28]

Nah, if Ray and Winston were showing up here people would be stoked over that. And if they weren't then they were not Ghostbuster fans in the first place.

The whole assumption that people don't want to see aging characters coming back for roles should have been put to rest by now. There's three classic properties out right now that fans love and feature above 50 actors.

 

[The Guard]

Nah, if Ray and Winston were showing up here people would be stoked over that. And if they weren't then they were not Ghostbuster fans in the first place.

The whole assumption that people don't want to see aging characters coming back for roles should have been put to rest by now. There's three classic properties out right now that fans love and feature above 50 actors.

There's a world of difference between the antics of a resurgent Rocky, Indiana Jones, Han Solo, etc, and say, Dan Akroyd in his current condition. A world of difference.

It's not whether people would like to see them come back. It's whether enough would care and whether their presence could essentially carry the film. Would the general public really want to see a Ghostbusters movie where the original guys were basically cameos in their own mythology? Because that's what was happening with the most recent drafts and concepts for this franchise prior to this version. I don't think the studio ever wanted 2 out of the 4. Especially the two that were ultimately available.

 

[def28]

There's a world of difference between the antics of a resurgent Rocky, Indiana Jones, Hal Solo, etc, and Dan Akroyd in his current condition. A world of difference.

Saw Akroyd in Pixels and he did fine. If he showed up as some mentor I highly doubt Ghostbusters fans would be complaining about that. People have said the same arguments for the characters you mentioned, likewise with Ash in Evil Dead. The Evil Dead remake board had the same kind of comments with a few users constantly debating "nobody wants to see an old Ash" or "there's a difference between Ash and Indy".

 

[The Guard]

It's not a question of his talent.

 

[def28]

Ah missed your edit.

It's not whether people would like to see them come back. It's whether enough would care and whether their presence could essentially carry the film. Would the general public really want to see a Ghostbusters movie where the original guys were basically cameos in their own mythology? Because that's what was happening with the most recent drafts and concepts for this franchise prior to this version. I don't think the studio ever wanted 2 out of the 4. Especially the two that were ultimately available.

Definitely, I don't see any issue with that whatsoever. I think that's what everyone was planning would happen for quite some time.

But even with the reboot I'm just not a fan of leaving out all those characters. Their names are engraved through this franchise. To cut them off fully is kind of bs.

 

[Urich Leeds]

There's a world of difference between the antics of a resurgent Rocky, Indiana Jones, Han Solo, etc, and say, Dan Akroyd in his current condition. A world of difference.

It's not whether people would like to see them come back. It's whether enough would care and whether their presence could essentially carry the film. Would the general public really want to see a Ghostbusters movie where the original guys were basically cameos in their own mythology? Because that's what was happening with the most recent drafts and concepts for this franchise prior to this version. I don't think the studio ever wanted 2 out of the 4. Especially the two that were ultimately available.

Extreme Ghostbusters did the concept very well. And that featured just one original Ghostbuster until the final episode.
If a children's show could do it, I'm sure someone Hollywood could manage it, if they wanted.

 

[Sithborg]

As long as Ecto-cooler really comes back, all this headache will be worth it.

 

[terry78]

Nowadays Whole Foods will just sell green juice and stick the Ecto Cooler label on it. 16.99 a bottle.

 

[def28]

People have paid $400 for sealed Ecto coolers. Pretty crazy.

 

[Mike_D202]

Coca-Cola renews Ecto-cooler trademark license:

http://comicbook.com/2015/11/27/coca-cola-files-to-renew-the-ecto-cooler-trademark/

 

[def28]

 

[Mike_D202]

Now that I'm thinking about it, I would have been satisfied if the original movies existed in Feig's film and this new team takes inspiration from the films that they watched as kids. At least nothing would have been wiped out, it would have been a decent excuse to not include slimer and stay puft, and it's an fun concept.

 

[The Guard]

I don't understand this attitude that something is being erased or wiped out. The original films and animated series still exist.

 

[The Guard]

Extreme Ghostbusters did the concept very well. And that featured just one original Ghostbuster until the final episode.
If a children's show could do it, I'm sure someone Hollywood could manage it, if they wanted.

It's not a case of whether it could work or be done well. It's studio perception, and I doubt a moderately successful cartoon show would influence them much. Also, has anyone considered that maybe, just maybe, even Akroyd and Hudson didn't want to do it without Murray or Ramis?

 

[Vaibow]

I just think GB holds a very personal, dear place to people. It feels like the reboot is dismissing that.

Then to come out with 'ohh but don't worry, future films will be connected' seems like a back track.

Wouldn't it have been easier to have this one connect, use even the smallest cameo's to link it?

Ray's neice carries on his work, together. After the events of GB2, new york moves on, government is involved and it's all swept under the rug - life goes on until boom, they are needed and upset a new team, ready.

Connections - they still have the fire hall, which has been converted into apartments, except for the bottom floor, which has a dusty ecto 1 and all the machines are still stored. Ray uses it occasionally but under the watchful eye of uncle sam - maybe they even had sanctions placed on them.

Egon has sadly passed, which happens in life - Peter, Winston both working locally. Maybe Ray pops up on forums and there is a cult following of the GB team and a type of disclosure is wanted?