The New Ghostbusters - Part 9

[Zero_Effect]

Spy was...amazing. Dare i say underrated still.

Properly rated. 94% on RT and made 110 million in the US and 235 million world wide.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Spy was...amazing. Dare i say underrated still.

I am with you Octoberist. The ending in the helicopter with the necklace. I missed the next two minutes of the film because I couldn't stop laughing uncontrollably. Everyone is fantastic in it, and it plays the tropes of the spy genre perfectly.

 

[Octoberist]

This movie is in a weird spot. This who hate it or support it might do it for the wrong reasons. But if the movie's good, then it's good. Those who have been hating on it should realize defeat and soak it in, if there's quality there. People will respect you more. Don't blindly hate if it's a good product. That's just fake machismo and a sign of insecurity.

 

[Kyle]

This films has been hated from the start. By those that didn't want a reboot to Ghosbusters, to a bunch of online sexist pieces of trash.

If I remember correctly, Bridesmaids got a lot of early buzz because they showed it early. One of those films that was getting built up on good WOM. The Heat had Bullock and McCarthy while they were on fire in terms of BO. That is where the buzz came from.

I don't see it as being any more hated than a ton of other remakes and reboots that continue to hammer people that people didn't want. I also don't recall Star Wars getting a record breaking number of dislikes on youtube for it revolving around a female protagonist either (or other female action movies for that matter). As said, there's no doubt that that counts for a lot - but to the degree it got it to make it headline news, to me that's a feat.

I can see that having to do part of it. But I remember people saying the trailers looked good as well. It wasn't a train wreck that the marketing team created here.

Here's the thing. Name the last good to average film/s where the marketing team made it look like an unmitigated disaster, got a record number of dislikes on youtube, created such a situation that the press started to focus word around how many people hate what their seeing from the film. This reminds me of F4, but F4 - the marketing team couldn't do anything but horrible marketing because all they had to work with was a horrible movie. Here, I can't really think of the last time a marketing department has made an average to good movie receive this much negative word of mouth prior to the film even being reviewed and released. This happens to bad movies a lot, but I don't recall this happening to this scale for a film that may be good to average. Almost a 180 from making trash films look amazing which we all know marketing teams can do really well.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

This movie is in a weird spot. This who hate it or support it might do it for the wrong reasons. But if the movie's good, then it's good. Those who have been hating on it should realize defeat and soak it in, if there's quality there. People will respect you more. Don't blindly hate if it's a good product. That's just fake machismo and a sign of insecurity.

I have not liked the advertising for this film. It feels like they have wanted to hit back and in the process alienated more people. When this was first announced, I was against it, but after Spy I was willing to give it a chance.

I get the feeling this is going to be one of those "okay" movies that people will swear up and down is either utterly horrible or a masterpiece.

 

[dark_b]

if this movie will get good or decent reviews than this doesnt mean that the marketing failed. Marketing is aimed at general public and not critics. critics dont fall for marketing tricks. they review movies for a living.

i read some comments on this and other forums. about conspiracy theories. are those people joking or are they serious? people writte positive comments because they dont want to look sexist? some are being paid?

 

[Zero_Effect]

I don't see it as being any more hated than a ton of other remakes and reboots that continue to hammer people that people didn't want. I also don't recall Star Wars getting a record breaking number of dislikes on youtube for it revolving around a female protagonist either. As said, there's no doubt that that counts for a lot - but to the degree it got it, to me that's a feat.

I can see that having to do part of it. But I remember people saying the trailers looked good as well. It wasn't a train wreck that the marketing team created here.

Here's the thing. Name the last good to average film/s where the marketing team made it look like an unmitigated disaster, got a record number of dislikes on youtube, created such a situation that the press started to focus word around how many people hate what their seeing from the film. This reminds me of F4, but F4 - the marketing team couldn't do anything but horrible marketing because all they had to work with was a horrible movie. Here, I can't really think of the last time a marketing department has made an average to good movie receive this much negative word of mouth prior to the film even being reviewed and released.

Just off the top of my head John Carter.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I don't see it as being any more hated than a ton of other remakes and reboots that continue to hammer people that people didn't want. I also don't recall Star Wars getting a record breaking number of dislikes on youtube for it revolving around a female protagonist either. As said, there's no doubt that that counts for a lot - but to the degree it got it, to me that's a feat.

I can see that having to do part of it. But I remember people saying the trailers looked good as well. It wasn't a train wreck that the marketing team created here.

Here's the thing. Name the last good to average film/s where the marketing team made it look like an unmitigated disaster, got a record number of dislikes on youtube, created such a situation that the press started to focus word around how many people hate what their seeing from the film. This reminds me of F4, but F4 - the marketing team couldn't do anything but horrible marketing because all they had to work with was a horrible movie. Here, I can't really think of the last time a marketing department has made an average to good movie receive this much negative word of mouth prior to the film even being reviewed and released.

Which is exactly why the reaction to this film has been clearly steeped in something other then it being a remake. Do you not see the contradiction here? Another unwanted remake, but gets the biggest reaction, by far, of all time. This wasn't a remake of Star Wars, Back to the Future or Gone with the Wind. It was a remake of a 80s comedy, that while I love, has kind of drifted into a bit of obscurity.

 

[Lord Valumart]

Just off the top of my head John Carter.

But that's because Disney actively wanted to kill it. Sony both wants, and needs this film to make money.

 

[Kyle]

Just off the top of my head John Carter.

Failed at box office. Critic consensus 39-51% RT. I loved that film, but to the masses it wasn't average to good otherwise reviews and box office would have matched it.

Which is exactly why the reaction to this film has been clearly steeped in something other then it being a remake. Do you not see the contradiction here? Another unwanted remake, but gets the biggest reaction, by far, of all time. This wasn't a remake of Star Wars, Back to the Future or Gone with the Wind. It was a remake of a 80s comedy, that while I love, has kind of drifted into a bit of obscurity.

As said I can see sexism playing a role, but not to lay all of the blame on that. A large part has to do with the marketing department, if the marketing department had done a good to great campaign they would have alleviated that from the start by showing it to be an average to good film from the start. If this film had been released with a great trailer, not a horrible one that would get a record breaking number of dislikes - they could have started to gain control over it.

I don't see SONY being happy about what the marketing department did at all, especially if this pulls in average to good reviews because the marketing team - regardless just lost them a lot of money.

ADDING - you mentioned the song. They should have tested it and upon seeing that more people dislike it than liked it, it never should have been a part of their marketing campaign for it and just have it be in the film. Why market something that is disliked? As said, even though it's not - that's why it feels like sabotage, it worked almost like an incidental smear campaign.

 

[Lord Valumart]

Which is exactly why the reaction to this film has been clearly steeped in something other then it being a remake. Do you not see the contradiction here? Another unwanted remake, but gets the biggest reaction, by far, of all time. This wasn't a remake of Star Wars, Back to the Future or Gone with the Wind. It was a remake of a 80s comedy, that while I love, has kind of drifted into a bit of obscurity.

You're claiming that Ghostbusters had drifted into obscurity? That's crazy when you consider there's a vastly popular on going comic book, and constant new merch coming out.

Until this year BTTF didn't have half of that. And Gone with the Wind is probably much more obscure now than the pop culture icons of the 80's and 90's.

 

[Octoberist]

Properly rated. 94% on RT and made 110 million in the US and 235 million world wide.

Because of McCarthy people are still judgmental about the film, and refuse to watch it..even though it's awesome.

 

[GuestStar2004]

This movie is in a weird spot. This who hate it or support it might do it for the wrong reasons. But if the movie's good, then it's good. Those who have been hating on it should realize defeat and soak it in, if there's quality there. People will respect you more. Don't blindly hate if it's a good product. That's just fake machismo and a sign of insecurity.

I always thought it was possible at least half the critics could like it and that it was abit over the top to think the trailers spelled out that everyone was gonna hate it like alot of people made out was gonna happen.

But while i was gonna see it out of curiosity some time ago... after what i seen i don't think i wanna see the movie even for that, yeah certain critics said it was funny and there probably is some funny moments somewhere along with the not funny moment but like the new theme song i haven't got the ghostbusters vibe from it so it just hasn't appealed to me enough to go see it in the theater and i think the use of nostalgia would annoy me more then please me.

As for whether it does well or not... i think sony will be lucky enough to break even at this point.

 

[Wheels]

The really strong anti-reboot people aren't commenting.....

 

[TheTrekkie]

The really strong anti-reboot people aren't commenting.....

I'm very anti-reboot, I just lost the will to be angry enough to spam social media about it after so many years of waiting for Ghostbusters 3 while SONY made crap like Baby Geniuses 2...

 

[DarthSkywalker]

You're claiming that Ghostbusters had drifted into obscurity? That's crazy when you consider there's a vastly popular on going comic book, and constant new merch coming out.

Until this year BTTF didn't have half of that. And Gone with the Wind is probably much more obscure now than the pop culture icons of the 80's and 90's.

Vastly popular? It sells less then 7,000 copies a month (first issue was just under 10,000), and sells much less then the BTTF comic.

http://www.comichron.com/monthlycomicssales/2016/2016-01.html

http://www.comichron.com/monthlycomicssales/2016/2016-02.html

http://www.comichron.com/monthlycomicssales/2016/2016-03.html

http://www.comichron.com/monthlycomicssales/2016/2016-05.html


Films like BTTF and GWTW are a lot like Jurassic Park. You don't realize their social relevance until their is an event. Ghostbusters, as great as it is and how much money it made, was never quite that. It is more like TMNT.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

The really strong anti-reboot people aren't commenting.....

So the Top Critics has kind of evened out. 6 positive, 7 negative, 46%, 6.1 average.

 

[Lighthouse]

You know, Rotten Tomatoes reminds me of "The Dark Knight", in that I really love both, but hate how the culture has reacted to it.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

You know, Rotten Tomatoes reminds me of "The Dark Knight", in that I really love both, but hate how the culture has reacted to it.

Could you expand Lighthouse?

 

[Ozbridge]

Already has a critic consensus? I thought they would wait until at least 100 reviews to get a consensus. A bit shady IMO

I think it's quite early, but not uncommon. Plenty of films have consensus after less than 50 reviews (Fathers and Daughters, Zero Days, Captain Fantastic, etc.). Zero Days is already Certified Fresh after merely 35 Fresh reviews, Cell has consensus after 21 reviews (though all are Rotten).

 

[Kyle]

Looking like this will wind up at 60. Now especially see filmmakers when they're told the team that marketed Ghostbusters will do their film falling on his or knees knees and screaming to the heavens "nooooooooooooo!" like in Superman, lol. This is.... SONY has got to be pissed.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I think it's quite early, but not uncommon. Plenty of films have consensus after less than 50 reviews (Fathers and Daughters, Zero Days, Captain Fantastic, etc.). Zero Days is already Certified Fresh after merely 35 Fresh reviews, Cell has consensus after 21 reviews (though all are Rotten).

Yeah, but none of those are big tentpoles with over 200 reviews expected.

 

[KillerMcQueen]

Could you expand Lighthouse?

I think he's talking about how much some people use RT as some sort of gospel on a movie's quality, sometimes to the point of not thinking for themselves and forming their own opinion. The amount of attention RT gets is frankly absurd imo.

 

[Wheels]

I'm very anti-reboot, I just lost the will to be angry enough to spam social media about it after so many years of waiting for Ghostbusters 3 while SONY made crap like Baby Geniuses 2...

I gave up on Ghostbusters 3 a while ago. I don't think a sequel would be significantly better than what this reboot probably is.

 

[Broseph44]

You know, Rotten Tomatoes reminds me of "The Dark Knight", in that I really love both, but hate how the culture has reacted to it.

Um, what?