The New Improved Official Stupid Question Thread Marvel Edition

[TheCorpulent1]

The Hulk didn't declare war on Earth either, did he? He declared war on the Illuminati and warned everyone else to stay out of his way.

 

[moraldeficiency]

I love how you started off your post by immediately dismissing everything the Hulk's Professor personality has done. The first Hulk comic I ever read starred the Professor. I'm the last person who's going to forget that Hulk, and I stand by him.

Woah I wasn't dismissing, I loved that guy but that's not the hulk the masses like, they like gets stronger and stronger whenever mad but somehow never kills people hulk the hulk that's significatly less dangerous than the average drunk driver or postal worker.

Look I'm gonna say nobody liked that version more than me, when it hulk was effective and smart, the storyline with the leader and that priest is probably my favorite hulk story of all time.

The hulk that was shot into space wasn't professor hulk, not by a long shot.

 

[Franklin Richards]

He declared War on Reed. And when he did that he declared war on the FF.


That's all I needed.


After that it was a Hulk Fan Wank.

 

[Ace of Knaves]

Reed is prone to being a bit of a *****e though too these days.

 

[Franklin Richards]

So? The Thing is still true blue.


You pick a fight with Ben... you pick a fight with me.

 

[Ace of Knaves]

No one is denying that Ben has a heart of gold. But even he wasn't too happy with Reed in Civil War.

 

[Franklin Richards]

You still back your bro.


Even if that means partying it up in France.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Woah I wasn't dismissing, I loved that guy but that's not the hulk the masses like, they like gets stronger and stronger whenever mad but somehow never kills people hulk the hulk that's significatly less dangerous than the average drunk driver or postal worker.

Look I'm gonna say nobody liked that version more than me, when it hulk was effective and smart, the storyline with the leader and that priest is probably my favorite hulk story of all time.

The hulk that was shot into space wasn't professor hulk, not by a long shot.

It seemed like we got a nice compromise with the Planet Hulk version. But WWH ruined that.

 

[moraldeficiency]

The Hulk didn't declare war on Earth either, did he? He declared war on the Illuminati and warned everyone else to stay out of his way.

Hulk was the "worldbreaker" more angry than ever, coming down with so much pure rage he almost killed his friends during the trip. He made all of manhattan clear out so he could fight not just the people that shot him into space but also xavier just because. He broke the hands of Doctor Strange the universe's sorcerer supreme when he tried to help. These conditions almost lead to the end of the world, so yeah war on earth, any idiot could see this as the ultimate consequence of his actions. If he wanted a clean fight free of civillians he should have had them all meet him in space to fight it out. Worldbreaker in irate rage means bad stuff for the planet he's raging on.

 

[moraldeficiency]

It seemed like we got a nice compromise with the Planet Hulk version. But WWH ruined that.

That was pretty good, I loved planet hulk, but...

Professor Hulk>Planet Hulk>Joe Fixit>Stupid Hulk>WWH

That's just a mathematical fact.

 

[Anubis]

Except it wasn't, and he ultimately pussed out on killing them, or really doing anything except f**k New York up for the 2,000,000,000th time.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

So he was careless. He still didn't declare war on Earth, though.

 

[Franklin Richards]

Why such hate for Savage Hulk? I love Savage Hulk because then it becomes a story about everyone else in the narrative.


Rick Jones is a great character. If you hate Savage Hulk then you prolly hate Rick Jones.

 

[Anubis]

Well he is a bit of a ponce.

 

[Franklin Richards]

I got nothin'.

 

[Manic]

If he wanted a clean fight free of civillians he should have had them all meet him in space to fight it out.

Or he could've told everyone to clear out of the city and given them ample time to do so. By the way, Dr. Strange's attempt to "help" meant turning the Hulk back into Bruce Banner so he could be subdued and Strange could escape punishment for effing with him.

By the way, I want to make it very clear that I think everything Reed, Black Bolt, Tony, and Stephen got during WWH was something they had coming. I don't know what the hell is up with some superheroes these days and their decisions to give harsher punishments to one another than they ever gave to criminals, but it's really pissing me off.

 

[moraldeficiency]

Or he could've told everyone to clear out of the city and given them ample time to do so. By the way, Dr. Strange's attempt to "help" meant turning the Hulk back into Bruce Banner so he could be subdued and Strange could escape punishment for effing with him.

By the way, I want to make it very clear that I think everything Reed, Black Bolt, Tony, and Stephen got during WWH was something they had coming. I don't know what the hell is up with some superheroes these days and their decisions to give harsher punishments to one another than they ever gave to criminals, but it's really pissing me off.

Woah now that's just crazy, 24 hours to evacutate NYC? You think that could possibly happen? **** people died evacuating from Katrina but no one died in NYC. Gamma powered superbeings I can suspend disbelief on but that's streaching it. Like I said before, ****ing spider-man has lost control and killed more people, or any number of drunk or sleepy drivers. Does that even make the slightest bit of sense to you? Hulk destroys a city but everyone makes it out with minor scratches.

Dr. Strange has always been hulks friend. He only tried to reason with the hulk's true form, he offered the hand of friendship and hulk **** all over it. It's not like the last time dr. strange banished hulk (also trying to help) that the hulk really got pissed over this. There are consequences for being the big ass that breaks everything around you. You don't get to go back into the antiques store.

Right with the retribution for people that tried to send a berserk monster to a planet where he could be alone like he's always wanted and demanded and where everyone would be safe. Yeah, let's kill those ****ers. If you're always screaming and yelling and breaking stuff cause you want an ice cream cone and I finally after trying every other ****ing thing possible to shut you up decide to give you one, you gonna come at me with a machete?

 

[Manic]

At this point, I think it's fairly obvious that I would've been one of the spectators who stayed in NYC in support of the Hulk. He never hurt anyone. He never tried to hurt anyone. At worst, he was incredibly careless. He's caused a lot of destruction, but that sometimes happened because he was trying to do the right thing. And whenever he caused damage, he went out of his way to make sure nobody died in the process. He basically suffers from being someone too strong to walk through town, and someone too short-tempered to taunt or generally antagonize.

When the Hulk tells people to "leave Hulk alone," he's talking to the people who attack him. He didn't say "Hulk want to be alone for the rest of his life." That's like asking for an ice cream cone, but getting locked inside of an ice cream factory. I've been given no choice, and who the hell needs all this ice cream/loneliness? Hulk had the time of his life during Planet Hulk, and none of that had to do with a desire to be alone. He just wanted respect and for people to stop sending tanks after him because they think he's a monster who might (but has tried not to) kill somebody.

By the way, Strange was part of the group that sent him into space. The last time he trusted anyone from that group, they tricked him.

By the way, I'd like to point out that they lured Hulk aboard the spacecraft by asking him to do a heroic deed.

I'd also like to note that when Hulk swore to "never stop making them pay," he was under the impression the explosion that killed his wife and unborn child (well, he didn't know the fetus survived) was caused by Tony and Reed's crappy engineering. He was holding them responsible for what he perceived to be their fault. Hulk pretty much stopped giving a damn about them as soon as he found out Miek was the one who caused the explosion-- not that it matters, because Hulk couldn't bring himself to the point of killing Reed, Tony, Stephen, Bolt when he had the chance.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

 

[moraldeficiency]

At this point, I think it's fairly obvious that I would've been one of the spectators who stayed in NYC in support of the Hulk. He never hurt anyone. He never tried to hurt anyone. At worst, he was incredibly careless. He's caused a lot of destruction, but that sometimes happened because he was trying to do the right thing. And whenever he caused damage, he went out of his way to make sure nobody died in the process. He basically suffers from being someone too strong to walk through town, and someone too short-tempered to taunt or generally antagonize.

When the Hulk tells people to "leave Hulk alone," he's talking to the people who attack him. He didn't say "Hulk want to be alone for the rest of his life." That's like asking for an ice cream cone, but getting locked inside of an ice cream factory. I've been given no choice, and who the hell needs all this ice cream/loneliness? Hulk had the time of his life during Planet Hulk, and none of that had to do with a desire to be alone. He just wanted respect and for people to stop sending tanks after him because they think he's a monster who might (but has tried not to) kill somebody.

By the way, Strange was part of the group that sent him into space. The last time he trusted anyone from that group, they tricked him.

By the way, I'd like to point out that they lured Hulk aboard the spacecraft by asking him to do a heroic deed.

I'd also like to note that when Hulk swore to "never stop making them pay," he was under the impression the explosion that killed his wife and unborn child (well, he didn't know the fetus survived) was caused by Tony and Reed's crappy engineering. He was holding them responsible for what he perceived to be their fault. Hulk pretty much stopped giving a damn about them as soon as he found out Miek was the one who caused the explosion-- not that it matters, because Hulk couldn't bring himself to the point of killing Reed, Tony, Stephen, Bolt when he had the chance.

Hulk doesn't like company period, he likes isolation. He's always been happiest in the ****ing desert where there is almost no life at all. That's been clearly established early on.

Again hulk loses control but never kills anyone, but spider-man has. Yeah this makes sense.

I know strange was with that group he also sent hulk into multidimensional crossroads before so he could be alone but that backfired. Hulk didn't really hold much of a grudge over that.

Of course they lured him onto the spaceship. The only way to get the hulk to do much is to trick him. Besides didn't he just destroy another city right before this? How many people have to be made homeless by that guy before you think something should be done?

Actually he thought Reed and Tony purposefully tried to kill him with that explosion. Yeah he was just that stupid. Hulk has been shown to still hold quite a grudge and he also said he'd never forgive the Illuminati after he found out Miek's involvement. So these guys tried to give hulk exactely what he's always wanted, ****ed up and sent him somewhere else where he became happier than ever, then hulk's own little protege killed the planet and hulk blames everyone else. When does the hulk have to take some responsibility for his actions the way Tony, Reed and all the others have always had to do when they ****ed up?

 

[Havok83]

How did Tony Stark become an alcoholic? Was there some specific event that triggered his drinking? Also did he become one before he became Iron Man or after?

 

[Anubis]

He lost his company and of course there was the years of drinking off the guilt of being a merchant of death.

 

[Manic]

Hulk doesn't like company period, he likes isolation. He's always been happiest in the ****ing desert where there is almost no life at all. That's been clearly established early on.

Again hulk loses control but never kills anyone, but spider-man has. Yeah this makes sense.

I know strange was with that group he also sent hulk into multidimensional crossroads before so he could be alone but that backfired. Hulk didn't really hold much of a grudge over that.

Of course they lured him onto the spaceship. The only way to get the hulk to do much is to trick him. Besides didn't he just destroy another city right before this? How many people have to be made homeless by that guy before you think something should be done?

Actually he thought Reed and Tony purposefully tried to kill him with that explosion. Yeah he was just that stupid. Hulk has been shown to still hold quite a grudge and he also said he'd never forgive the Illuminati after he found out Miek's involvement. So these guys tried to give hulk exactely what he's always wanted, ****ed up and sent him somewhere else where he became happier than ever, then hulk's own little protege killed the planet and hulk blames everyone else. When does the hulk have to take some responsibility for his actions the way Tony, Reed and all the others have always had to do when they ****ed up?

Yeah, I'm sure Hulk was just miserable on Skaar, surrounded by those bothersome friends and that damn wife of his that wouldn't leave him alone.

That's right. Hulk hasn't killed anyone.

This isn't about Strange sending him to an interdimensional crossroads, which Hulk clearly didn't have that big of a problem with. This is about the rocket to deep space, and the deaths of his people.

You don't see the idiocy in calling the Hulk a menace, but only being able to trick him by appealing to his desire to help people? Also, it's not like the Hulk is the only superhero who destroys people's homes in his fights.

If I kept telling people that I wanted to be alone, and they thought the best solution was to trick me onto a rocket, I'd be pissed too. You gotta wonder, if their goal was just to give the Hulk what he wanted, why did they have to trick him? Would the Hulk have appreciated it if Tony had walked up to him and said "You know how you're always shouting 'leave Hulk alone'? Well, how about we shoot you off into deep space?" Of course not. What they did was underhanded and wrong, and the Hulk has every right to hold a grudge.

By the way, I'd like to point out that this argument started because I said Tony Stark put more people in greater danger than the Hulk did. We can argue about the Hulk's actions all we want, but my point was always that Tony deserves just as much if not more punishment for his actions over the last few years than the Hulk did.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

One might argue that literally destroying his own mind in an attempt to clean up his mess and keep his fellow heroes' secrets safe is punishment enough.

I wouldn't, but someone might.

 

[moraldeficiency]

Yeah, I'm sure Hulk was just miserable on Skaar, surrounded by those bothersome friends and that damn wife of his that wouldn't leave him alone.

That's right. Hulk hasn't killed anyone.

This isn't about Strange sending him to an interdimensional crossroads, which Hulk clearly didn't have that big of a problem with. This is about the rocket to deep space, and the deaths of his people.

You don't see the idiocy in calling the Hulk a menace, but only being able to trick him by appealing to his desire to help people? Also, it's not like the Hulk is the only superhero who destroys people's homes in his fights.

If I kept telling people that I wanted to be alone, and they thought the best solution was to trick me onto a rocket, I'd be pissed too. You gotta wonder, if their goal was just to give the Hulk what he wanted, why did they have to trick him? Would the Hulk have appreciated it if Tony had walked up to him and said "You know how you're always shouting 'leave Hulk alone'? Well, how about we shoot you off into deep space?" Of course not. What they did was underhanded and wrong, and the Hulk has every right to hold a grudge.

By the way, I'd like to point out that this argument started because I said Tony Stark put more people in greater danger than the Hulk did. We can argue about the Hulk's actions all we want, but my point was always that Tony deserves just as much if not more punishment for his actions over the last few years than the Hulk did.

Planet Hulk was a very different version. See above hulk version greater than chart for more on this.

Right and as I've said I can believe in gamma powered supermen but the idea you can destroy a city and not kill anyone when any drunk behind the wheel can do that easily is just too much. I can only streach so far on things so we see this differently.

But strange did the same thing for the same reasons and that trip ended rather badly for the hulk. This is exactly the same senario only this time hulk decided with no evidence proof or motive that reed and the gang were trying to kill him. Meik, his protege, killed his people, maybe hulk should look inside a bit on how all that went down.

Hulk is a threat, a big one. He might try and do good but he's typically too much like Lenny from of mice and men and we know what george did there.

Why did they have to trick him? Cause the hulk is typically a tempermental child that can freak and hulk out on all sorts of occasions for all sorts of reasons. It was safer. As far as hulk not being the only property damage guys he's the only one that destroys whole cities on mindless rampages. That's a little different than say spider-man dropping an abandoned building to slow down the juggernaut.

Ok and I countered tony's saved the earth more times than most teams of superheroes. Also when tony ****s up he pays for his mistakes. When has the hulk ever had to do that? Tony's history is him overreaching and then paying for it but he always mans up and takes the responsibility no matter what the personal cost to him. Did you not read the first issue of WWH and Tony's speech to everyone? You ever see the hulk do a PSA on how he made a city homeless cause someone pissed him off? You ever see the hulk pay to rebuild the houses and damage he's caused, or for the medical expenses for anyone injured? Tony's flawed I agree but he's an actual hero in most ways even when he's a *****e, hulk in most his forms (not all) is either an accidental hero or an unpredictable danger.