Comics The "New Ways to Die" Thread...

[Styleshift]

But it's not... remember, everybody that knew his identity has simply forgotten... it's lame, but believable, and as far as continuity goes, Marvel seems to be going the extra mile to show that the rest of the Marvel U is still connected to Spider-Man... like in the recent ASM Extra #1, there's a comment about how Spidey helped DareDevil (Matt Murdoch) back in DareDevil vol. 2 #20 to 25... as well as the recent memory of meeting Vermin during Kraven's Last Hunt...

The connections with the past are making the books even more fun to me now...

Oh i didn't mean ignore everything of course.
to me it's easier to read if I don't acknowledge the era of the marriage and civil war. Those are the things that really hurt my head when I try to piece together all of the issues.

to me BND picks up just after the supposed marriage that didn't happen. I know that's kind of lame...but it makes BND enjoyable to me once I don't acknowledge what came before it and i accept it as is....

there are some issues that kind of drive me away for a while though...like Bob gale's issues...his last arc was ok though.

 

[kguillou]

But there are certain fundamental things that they should not have changed. Norman and eddie brock's knowledge of Peter's identity were core elements that made them spidey's greatest foes. It's like completely starting over.

 

[Styleshift]

^^ I'm aware of this, but I honestly try to bash something when it deserves bashing without having a biased out look.

The last ish with DD was pretty good.
and the first ish of new ways to die is actually really interesting.

I'm not happy with the results of OMD, I don't think anybody is...but I won't be on ASM full time. I'm more guarded with my choices now.

 

[Styleshift]

as I have said before, I was returning for New ways to Die.
and this story will make or break my decision about accepting the new/old direction of BND.

 

[kguillou]

^ You read "New Ways to die" already? So lucky! Don't spoil anything but is it good?

 

[Styleshift]

yup read it from a friend...and will soon pick up my own copy.
there was one reference to the marriage to point out he's never been married...again.

but other than that it was a pretty good first issue.
there was one major continuity issue....but it wasn't terrible.

 

[Miken Ayers]

^ You read "New Ways to die" already? So lucky! Don't spoil anything but is it good?

It's the best BND issue so far, but that's hardly saying much. It would be like someone telling you, ''At least the last AIDS junkie to bite me was hot.''.

 

[Themanofbat]

But there are certain fundamental things that they should not have changed. Norman and eddie brock's knowledge of Peter's identity were core elements that made them spidey's greatest foes. It's like completely starting over.

The Green Goblin was a great villain even before he found out Spidey's identity... and truth be told, after he found out, he got kind of boring... because in a span of 5 years, Stan had to use the "Norman gets amnesia" schtick 3 times before he was killed off by Conway, because they really couldn't figure a way out of the "knowing the identity" thing... and then we had a second Green Goblin, then a third one... then the HobGoblin, which was a nice break from the old school... The Green Goblin/Norman can still be a formidable foe to Spider-Man, whether he knows his identity or not...

And Venom suffered from the same thing... I think this "not knowing" might be a breath of fresh air that these two characters have been in great need of for YEARS!!!!

Just my two cents...

 

[Styleshift]

The Green Goblin was a great villain even before he found out Spidey's identity... and truth be told, after he found out, he got kind of boring... because in a span of 5 years, Stan had to use the "Norman gets amnesia" schtick before he was killed off by Conway, because they really couldn't figure a way out of the "knowing the identity" thing... and then we had a second Green Goblin, then a third one... then the HobGoblin, which was a nice break from the old school... The Green Goblin/Norman can still be a formidable foe to Spider-Man, whether he knows his identity or not...

And Venom suffered from the same thing... I think this "not knowing" might be a breath of fresh air that these two characters have been in great need of for YEARS!!!!

Just my two cents...

Try as I might....I can't make an argument against that. lol.

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

I'm really looking forward JR JR's art. Too bad that I'll have to wait about 6-9 months to read this. First two issues of BND will come in mail next wednesday. ( Yeah, we're way behind of you guys. )

You didn't read BND yet? Well, trust me, your going ot enjoy it ALOT. Well, atleast that's what I think.

 

[Infidel]

People, they had a 'story' where everyone found out who Spider-man was and treated it like a backstory in somebody elses comic book. What's going to happen that's so great?

After that all I can think of is 'aren't going to finish this'?

 

[Finlandman]

You didn't read BND yet? Well, trust me, your going ot enjoy it ALOT. Well, atleast that's what I think.

I hope so. I hate BND-universe with every soul of my body, but I have to say that I'm really looking forward to read light-hearted Spider-Man again. I also like every artist that MARVEL got to this book. ( Too bad that McNiven was only to boost the sales of the first arc. )

BTW, since finnish Spider-Man comes only once a month and has only two ASM issues in it, I'm going to get even more behind every month! I'd buy TPB's, but super-comics are dying over here ( Spider-Man is only regular comic here, besides X-Men that comes only six times a year ), so I'll keep buying local issues to support.

 

[Miken Ayers]

You didn't read BND yet? Well, trust me, your going ot enjoy it ALOT. Well, atleast that's what I think.

Should I pick apart this post too? ;p

 

[Donald Thomas]

Try as I might....I can't make an argument against that. lol.

Aloha,
Neither can I. Our problem as long time fans is that , what we take as re hashing of old concepts are new concepts to readers who don't have 10-40+ years of Spidey continuity in our brains.For a while there, Marvel tried to get away form continuity. That could never work because this company and ALL of it's characters were built upon a concept of continuity.All Marvel has to do is state up front that a particular story is NOT Canon and we the fans would be fine with that.But if I can repeat something that all old time fans need to remember-No One Died especially MJ as a result of OMD/BND.Everything that happened, still happened, just not with a married Peter. Now of course, Marvel has to do their BEST, to make that fit into continuity-anything less cheapens their character.Thanks for posting this thread TMOB.
Spidey rules

 

[Styleshift]

Aloha,
Neither can I. Our problem as long time fans is that , what we take as re hashing of old concepts are new concepts to readers who don't have 10-40+ years of Spidey continuity in our brains.For a while there, Marvel tried to get away form continuity. That could never work because this company and ALL of it's characters were built upon a concept of continuity.All Marvel has to do is state up front that a particular story is NOT Canon and we the fans would be fine with that.But if I can repeat something that all old time fans need to remember-No One Died especially MJ as a result of OMD/BND.Everything that happened, still happened, just not with a married Peter. Now of course, Marvel has to do their BEST, to make that fit into continuity-anything less cheapens their character.Thanks for posting this thread TMOB.
Spidey rules

Wow, you posted this at just the right time Mr. Thomas....
I just took out my marvel master works vol. 1 of ASM and read it last night.That's when I realized how dramatically the character has changed since his first incarnation, sure the core concept is there....and good character development should mature the character. It has always been apart of the spidey character to do very dumb things. An example would be him trying to cash his check in a spidey outfit.

If Marvel had stuck to continuity Jameson would still be a millionaire and publisher at NOW! magazine.

spidey would still call his web shooters, web launchers.
and the spider on his back would still be blue (i think)

his spider sense would still be RIDICOUSLY STRONG.

and he would be even more powerful than the FF combined as an adult, had they followed up with his first appearance and there intial reaction to him.

But none of us are complaining. even after his upgrades from the other spidey still would lose to them if they went all out against him.
I don't agree with the changes....I still feel after 20 years there were fans of the marriage and it should have been given more respect than to just say it "never really happened."

but some things just have to be let go. Spider-man isn't our character. we just have to try to enjoy the ride or let go...cause really thats the only power we have.

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

Aloha,
Neither can I. Our problem as long time fans is that , what we take as re hashing of old concepts are new concepts to readers who don't have 10-40+ years of Spidey continuity in our brains.For a while there, Marvel tried to get away form continuity. That could never work because this company and ALL of it's characters were built upon a concept of continuity.All Marvel has to do is state up front that a particular story is NOT Canon and we the fans would be fine with that.But if I can repeat something that all old time fans need to remember-No One Died especially MJ as a result of OMD/BND.Everything that happened, still happened, just not with a married Peter. Now of course, Marvel has to do their BEST, to make that fit into continuity-anything less cheapens their character.Thanks for posting this thread TMOB.
Spidey rules

Amen!

 

[Themanofbat]

Aloha,
Neither can I. Our problem as long time fans is that , what we take as re hashing of old concepts are new concepts to readers who don't have 10-40+ years of Spidey continuity in our brains.For a while there, Marvel tried to get away form continuity. That could never work because this company and ALL of it's characters were built upon a concept of continuity.All Marvel has to do is state up front that a particular story is NOT Canon and we the fans would be fine with that.But if I can repeat something that all old time fans need to remember-No One Died especially MJ as a result of OMD/BND.Everything that happened, still happened, just not with a married Peter. Now of course, Marvel has to do their BEST, to make that fit into continuity-anything less cheapens their character.Thanks for posting this thread TMOB.
Spidey rules

No sweat Donald...

I agree that they will need to fit things into continuity as best as possible (here's hoping it's not as stupid as a Superboy Prime Retcon punch... ), and I have a feeling that some of it might be harder to swallow than others, but that's life in comics... I'm sure a Gwen Clone in 1975 made a lot of people roll their eyes, but as I stated... that's comics... sometimes, an idea can be very awesome... or very lame.

Depends on perspective...

 

[Gamma Burst]

Never been so excited about ASM in a long time.Can't wait for NWTD

 

[Gamma Burst]

Aloha,
Neither can I. Our problem as long time fans is that , what we take as re hashing of old concepts are new concepts to readers who don't have 10-40+ years of Spidey continuity in our brains.For a while there, Marvel tried to get away form continuity. That could never work because this company and ALL of it's characters were built upon a concept of continuity.All Marvel has to do is state up front that a particular story is NOT Canon and we the fans would be fine with that.But if I can repeat something that all old time fans need to remember-No One Died especially MJ as a result of OMD/BND.Everything that happened, still happened, just not with a married Peter. Now of course, Marvel has to do their BEST, to make that fit into continuity-anything less cheapens their character.Thanks for posting this thread TMOB.
Spidey rules

Great post,mate!

 

[moraldeficiency]

Does matt murdock just hate spider-man?

 

[Themanofbat]

Does matt murdock just hate spider-man?

I don't get it...

 

[moraldeficiency]

Remember when Peter Parker went out of his way to prove bullseye's innocence and put him back out on the street? No? Right cause friends don't do that kind of thing.

 

[Themanofbat]

Remember when Peter Parker went out of his way to prove bullseye's innocence and put him back out on the street? No? Right cause friends don't do that kind of thing.

No.. I don't remember...

Reference issues please...

 

[moraldeficiency]

No.. I don't remember...

Reference issues please...

That was scarcasm because heroes don't generally help the their "friends" most savage opponents get out of jail. Especially one that's killed all by themselves. I guess Matt's just a dick.

 

[Themanofbat]

That was scarcasm because heroes don't generally help the their "friends" most savage opponents get out of jail. Especially one that's killed all by themselves. I guess Matt's just a dick.

Ok... I'm really confused... did Peter Parker help Bullseye get out of jail???



Or did Murdoch put one of Spidey's villains out on the street?

I'm so confused...