As you know, Nolan views most Batman villains as watered down Jokers. Since we dont want this argument invading the Bane thread again, lets put that debate here. Do you agree with that opinion? Disagree? Think that his words were misinterpreted? Nolans views raise questions for me. Does he see Mr. Freeze or Penguin as watered down archetypes as well? Does he view Poison Ivy as a watered down Catwoman?