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The Not New Comics Thread!

No, it's just one of those normal sized comics, like Marvel put out so frequently in the early 90's. Kind of like Spider-Man Versus Wolverine or the many, many different Wolverine specials that used to come out. Regular size of a comic, but usually 48-64 pages.
 
Cool. I'll get it eventually. I've always been partial to the Child Within, which was heavily influenced by Kraven's Last Hunt... and so by connection I grew to love Kraven's Last Hunt. I don't know why I've not read this book yet.
 
So I was looking through old threads I started and found this one. I don't know why it died away because I really enjoyed it, so I figured I'd give it another go...

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Grant Morrison's Batman!!!

So I joined Batman with Battle for the Cowl (not Morrison) and continued into Morrison's Batman & Robin. I really enjoyed that but was obviously missing history here as I missed Morrison's earliest runs. So I went back and got all of those and over the past couple of weeks read from his first issue through the Return oneshot.

I have to say that his run is so hit and miss that it kills me. When he hits he hits hard, but when he misses he kicks you in the nuts and you don't even know why.

The Read Order:

Batman 655-658, 663-670
The Resurrection of Ra's Al Ghul Crossover
Batman 672-675
DC Universe 0
Batman 676-681

Final Crisis 1-3
Superman Beyond 1-2 (to better understand Final Crisis, not for the Batman story)
Batman 682
Final Crisis: Submit
Final Crisis 4
Batman 683
Final Crisis 5-7
Batman 687 (not Winnick but a good bridge between Final and B&R)

Batman & Robin 1-9
Batman 700
Batman & Robin 10-12
The Return of Bruce Wayne 1
Batman 701-702
The Return of Bruce Wayne 2-6
Batman & Robin 13-16
Batman: The Return
Batman Incorporated 1-7 (which is current)

The Good:

Damian Wayne - I know not everyone likes the new robin but I really grew to like this guy. Especially in the later half of Batman & Robin. He's one of my favorite characters at the moment. I felt he was kinda annoying and crappy at first and didn't shine until Batman & Robin and he really came into his own around B&R 9 or 10.

Dr. Hurt - Everything from his early minor appearances to R.I.P to the concluding arc of Batman & Robin, this character sucked me in. I can't help but to feel that that concluding arc of B&R is one of the best stories I've read in a long time. I liked it when I read it but I didn't get it. Having read all the build up to it now and understanding it I can't help but to feel that it was just a great read and his character creepy and fantastic at once.

Mr. Pyg - At first I thought he was just a quarky villain but in the final arc of B&R I felt that he came into his own as a creepy and interesting addition to the Bat rogues gallory. I hope to see him again but I doubt anyone other than Morrison will be able to write him properly.

Nightwing & Alfred - I'm lumping these two together because I feel that they each have been a fantastic supporting cast, stepping up as needing and just really fleshing out this book. I honestly enjoy the both of them more than Bruce himself.


The Bad:

Batman 663 - This issue could have been a great issue if it were a comic. No, it's written in prose... like a story in a magazine or novel. I tried reading it twice and both times couldn't finish it. The art snippets weren't good either and all in all this issue is just a fail for me. I read through the rest of the run and didn't notice any references to it that was necessary (other than maybe one comment about the Joker's return... which didn't have to apply to any specific issue). Of this entire run, this is the only issue I sold to Half Priced Books and I don't miss it. Apparently no one else did either because there's a good 3 or 4 copies sitting in their bin.

The Death of Batman - Not that I disliked Final Crisis, in fact I loved it, but Morrison's transition from R.I.P. to Final Crisis doesn't flow in the slightest bit. The supposed death in R.I.P. leading into his unexplained well health in Final Crisis to his actual death, and then somehow tying those two together in a random two issue arc of Batman (when Morrison wasn't writing the title) was horribly done. REDICULOUSLY bad.

And then he does nothing in the way of aftermath. He just died in Final Crisis and then in his next penned issue, Batman & Robin #1, Dick is in the cowl and training Damian and all is well. No transition at all... he leaves all that to Winnick and Daniel.

The Return of Bruce Wayne - I'm refering to the mini here. The build up to this was cool with the signs of Bruce being in the past being found by Dick and Damian, but this story itself was so confusing I've read it 3 times and still don't quite get it. I have a much better grasp on it now than I did when I first read it but it still doesn't make much sense. The individual stories of Bruce in the past were interesting but the overlapping reasoning for his jumping through time or how that works and how he actually makes it back is just crazy.

There were two other options explored at DC and I'd have taken either of them over this, and that was the Blackest Night approach and the Lazarus Pit (with the Clone).

R.I.P. - I really don't know if this fits in a bad section as much as a "that was just wierd" section. It really did read like Morrison was high, wrote this, and then turned it in. The ultimate story when it was all finished was actually decent but it was very odd. And the fake out ending tainted the story to the fullest. As I said before though, I really liked Dr. Hurt.

The Final Word
So there you go... I've enjoyed Morrison's run through the Return. I've read the Batman Incorporated issues up to date but I want to reread them knowing the history now. I'm enjoying this read but I'm ready for someone other than Morrison. I'm eager to see his run come to an end by the end of next year. He has 3 more issues of Inc. and then a second season of Inc next year and that's it.

I'm pretty eager to check out Snyner's run after the September relaunch.

So in conclusion I'd definately recommend this run to people who like to think about their comics and reread issues over and over again, because it can be confusing in parts but after many readings reveal to be very interesting. But if you just like to just blow through entertaining comics, bag them, and never think about them again... definately not for you. This is a thinking run... and in hindsight... a darn fine one at that... but only in hindsight.
 
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Finally picked up the final issue of this storyline.I love J.M. Dematteis so I always wanted to see what he would do with Electro.He doesn't disappoint.As is common with a lot of Dematteis has a common theme running through the story this one being low self esteem.We see how Max Dillion,Peter Parker,Jonah and even a common street crook deal with the anxiety of feeling small.While there isn't too much action in the story it is a fascinating character study of Electro and the first comic a filmmaker should consult if Electro ever makes it to the big screen.Great read and I highly recommend it.
 
Man what a great story that was. I LOVED Light the Night. It's probably my favorite Electro story ever.

I did enjoy his take in Millar's Marven Knights: Spider-Man run though.
 
I hunted it down for a while.I had parts 2 and 3 and didn't find part 1 until about 2 weeks ago.
 
Yeah, it's not to popular to say, but I more or less agree with you JH about Morrison's first Batman run. Some of it I like, but there's also quite a bit of stuff I really didn't care for. I don't know why 663 was prose, either. I didn't have that much of a problem with it or anything but was never too sure what exactly the purpose of that was. Maybe there was just so much he wanted to tell about Joker that he felt a single issue wasn't enough? I mean, that's doubtful knowing Morrison and all, probably just an experiment he wanted to try.

Still haven't gotten around to reading all of ROBW. I read the first two issues being out of the loop on B&R and just kind of lost interest. I'll probably grab the trade at some point, though.
 
Hey, thought I'd resurrect this old thread for this mini...

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I bought the first two issues when it first came out a year or two ago and wasn't impressed. I dropped the book and never came back to it. The problem was that I was a big Cosmic Marvel fan and I remember Phaedrus45 talking about how it ended up being a good read. Well, this week I found issues 1-4 at my local Half Priced Books for 50 cents each so I bought them and then went out and bought issue 5 at my comics shop. I figure $5.10 for the whole mini would be worth the chance.

I read it and as it turned out, Phaed was right. I actually really enjoyed this mini and it was honestly worlds better than the past two Cosmic tales offered by DnA (the Annihilators minis). I'm not a huge Surfer fan when he's on his own but Pak wrote a good story here staring him. I also like the plot with the High Evolutionary basically stealing the power of Galactus and becoming the Anti-Galactus. It was just a really good plot. It wasn't dragged out or condensed. It felt just right. It also makes me want to read Mighty Thor 1-6 where Silver Surfer's story picks up after this (and also explains why he's not with the Annihilators in Earthfall). The only weak point for me was the art. I forget the guy's name but I think he did some art in Avengers: The Initiative and I wasn't big on it there either. But the story's good enough to look beyond that.

But yeah, this was a good mini that I'd suggest giving a shot. Especially if you're a Cosmic Marvel fan and have felt let down with recent offerings like I have.

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Finally picked up the final issue of this storyline.I love J.M. Dematteis so I always wanted to see what he would do with Electro.He doesn't disappoint.As is common with a lot of Dematteis has a common theme running through the story this one being low self esteem.We see how Max Dillion,Peter Parker,Jonah and even a common street crook deal with the anxiety of feeling small.While there isn't too much action in the story it is a fascinating character study of Electro and the first comic a filmmaker should consult if Electro ever makes it to the big screen.Great read and I highly recommend it.

I agree. This is one of my all time favorite Spider-Man stories and also, easily, the best Electro story ever told in Spider-Man history.
 
Who wrote that story anyhow? I didn't pay attention to that sort of thing back then and I no longer have the issues.
 
Read the quoted post... it was J.M. Dematteis.

:yay:
 
Yep. For me he's easily in the top 3 Spidey writers of all time. Light the Night, Kraven's Last Hunt, Spectacular Spider-man #178-200. Hell he even made Shriek interesting in an arc before the clone saga hit. He's without a doubt one of my favorites.
 
Spectacular Spider-Man 178-200 is to this day one of my favorite comic book runs. I LOVED that era. Issue 181 and 182 were the 2nd and 3rd comic books I ever owned (bought at the same time). The Child Within is still in my top 5 arcs ever (and one of these days I will actually make that list).
 
Yeah, it's not to popular to say, but I more or less agree with you JH about Morrison's first Batman run. Some of it I like, but there's also quite a bit of stuff I really didn't care for. I don't know why 663 was prose, either. I didn't have that much of a problem with it or anything but was never too sure what exactly the purpose of that was. Maybe there was just so much he wanted to tell about Joker that he felt a single issue wasn't enough? I mean, that's doubtful knowing Morrison and all, probably just an experiment he wanted to try.

Still haven't gotten around to reading all of ROBW. I read the first two issues being out of the loop on B&R and just kind of lost interest. I'll probably grab the trade at some point, though.

Pretty interesting looking at this now. I finally got around to reading B&R and loved it. I even liked Batman, Incorporated a good deal, too. I still feel like that initial Batman run was still mixed, but almost all afterward was gold.
 
I still think the Return of Bruce Wayne was just way too out there and I would have prefered a simpler resurrection and I feel that the RIP to Final Crisis to Batman & Robin transitions were the worst I've ever read. Other than those though it's been very good. Oh, and that prose issue... that one just doesn't exist to me.

I ended up enjoying Batman, Incorporated a great deal and am eager to read his concluding stories starting next month I think but all in all I'm ready for a simpler approach.

I've been enjoying Snyder's Batman run so far--probably my second favorite book on the stands at the moment--and Batman & Robin has been enjoyable. It's been a good experience getting into Batman with Battle for the Cowl. I'm glad I did.
 
Yep. For me he's easily in the top 3 Spidey writers of all time. Light the Night, Kraven's Last Hunt, Spectacular Spider-man #178-200. Hell he even made Shriek interesting in an arc before the clone saga hit. He's without a doubt one of my favorites.

Definitely agreed. He's one of my all time favorite Spidey writers. He also wrote the Amazing Spider-Man 400. One of the greatest single issues of Spider-Man ever. Too bad Marvel pooped all over it. :csad:
 
I haven't read ASM since OMD so I can't comment on the actual stories but I was upset Marvel bought back both Kraven and Harry.
 
If I made a list of my top 10 comics of all time there's a very good chance Amazing Spider-Man 400 would land very high on that list.

And while Harry's return was pretty crappy, at least Kraven's return was handled well (so I hear, I only skimmed those issues).
 
I heard Kraven was pissed at being resurrected which to be honest makes sense. But still I feel they shouldn't have done it at all. I mean what is Kraven doing now?
 
I still think the Return of Bruce Wayne was just way too out there and I would have prefered a simpler resurrection and I feel that the RIP to Final Crisis to Batman & Robin transitions were the worst I've ever read. Other than those though it's been very good. Oh, and that prose issue... that one just doesn't exist to me.

I ended up enjoying Batman, Incorporated a great deal and am eager to read his concluding stories starting next month I think but all in all I'm ready for a simpler approach.

I've been enjoying Snyder's Batman run so far--probably my second favorite book on the stands at the moment--and Batman & Robin has been enjoyable. It's been a good experience getting into Batman with Battle for the Cowl. I'm glad I did.

I actually still haven't finished ROBW.
 
I actually still haven't finished ROBW.

While the first few issues were pretty interesting, the last 2 or 3 were very confusing and likely the most convoluted return that I've ever read. I still can't just out and tell you how it happened... it just did.

Batman & Robin, however, was fantastic and the best part of Morrison's run so far in my opinion. He hit gold with Dick and Damian and I was glad that they could continue after Bruce came back. That was probably the biggest thing I miss post New-52. They were just a great duo. The last arc or two with Doctor Hurt, Pyg, and Joker was just phenominal. Even Batman's sudden appearance just made me want to fist pump in the air. Great story.
 

Astonishing X-Men by Joss Whedon & John Cassaday Omnibus review

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Joss Whedon has a cult status from his Buffy fame, alongside Angel, Firefly, Dr. Horrible’s Sing-A-Long Blog and so forth. He is an internet sensation with very good reception especially on the depiction of female characters, dialogue and character development. All which are as well present in this Omnibus, collecting the 24 issue (+1 giant size issue) with artist John Cassaday.

The central characters focused on the book are: Cyclops, Emma Frost, Beast, Wolverine, Kitty Pryde & Colossus, with the addition of a brand new X-Man: Armor, but she becomes more important on the latter half of the book, I’d say the central focus of the book with its cast is the relationship between Cyclops & Emma, alongside Kitty Pryde’s relationship with Colossus as Colossus was assumed dead and their relationship fell apart before due to Kitty’s young age, which obviously isn’t a problem anymore. I was overjoyed to see their happiness and they really work hard for their relationship. Cyclops & Emma Frost’s relationship which arguably began before Jean’s death (or after, how you wish to view it) is also nice to see as Cyclops wants to have the X-Men seen as heroes again, thus donning more heroic costumes and rejecting the black leather outfits from Grant Morrison’s era of New X-Men. Whedon truly manages to show in this book why Cyclops is the leader of the X-Men, as Professor Xavier isn’t teaching anymore.

The way the story is constructed is 1 single massive story that gets build by the first 3 arcs and the 4th arc is the big finale to all of it. Sadly, it doesn’t wrap up everything such as the Mutant riots from the first half of the book, which just felt rather bland if you ask me. The main event revolves around Ord, an alien from the Breakworld planet with a holy mission to stop Mutant kind to ensure the safety of his own, due to a prophecy. The X-Men take on with this intergalactic threat and are teamed with SWORD (Sentient World Observation and Response Department) to save the galaxy in good old fashioned superhero style.

Rating: 90/100 – Great look at the core X-Men members and developing them, great splash pages and double page spreads with great character moments and/or action sequences, the stories work great and come with a lot of humor. I would have liked more focus on the students the X-Men we’re teaching, but this is more of a superhero X-Men book than something like Morrison’s New –Xmen. The villans are all brand new and nice addition to the X-Men rogue gallery, with 1 familiar villain returning from Morrison’s run. I however do feel the book ends rather weak with a truly unnecessary death, because comic book deaths aren’t usually that serious to begin with and they never really work with big popular characters, so why try to end an run with an sad ending that won’t hold on long? That’s really the only weak link with this book.

Kinda like Jason Aaron's Wolverine Omnibus, i didn't think this was anything über special, but i kinda felt a slight hype backlash, because everyone hypes about this book.
 
It was a pretty great X-Men run until "Gifted." If they have to package something in a really overdone way, I'd say Whedon's AXM is more worthy than most X-Men stories. Plus, they've already established it's a big deal, what with the motion comics they've put out and the fact that Cassaday's art from it is everywhere; it was even the basis for the X-Men: First Class movie poster.
 
I feel like I complain a lot about Morrison's run, specifically Scott/Emma/Jean... but I was looking through it recently and I forgot how much of it I loved. Sadly, some of those things that I liked the most were almost immediately retconned. Namely Magneto's handling (going extreme due to the Kick drug and his being more powerful as an idea than a living person) and Ernst being a rehabilitated Cassandra Nova.

Oh well, at least Fantomex and John Sublime live on. I thought those were both good creations.
 

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