Comics The OFFICAL: Xavier/mutant protocols thread

[masterj]

So is it safe to say that a lot of Marvel characters can be killed through some of the most conventional methods (i.e., guns, poisons, knives, radiation, massive amounts of explosives, etc.)?

I find it hard to believe that most Marvel characters can be killed off so easily. But setting aside physics 101, and percieving it as Marvel's reality, the methods mentioned above used on the human physiology of some of these characters would seem plausible. I've just never seen any situation or story arc that would warrant the use of these weapons. The only time we see them used is on either Colossus or Wolverine... And even then, it's rarely used, except in the ultimate universe. What do you think?

So are you saying we should stay away from weaponry and be more creative? If so I agree. Here are some deaths I would do:
Shadowcat: Use a power inhibitor on her whilst she is phasing through an object or wall. Or increase her powers to such a level she phases through Earth's gravitational pull.
Iceman: Expose to a prolonged time of extreme heat. Cause all the moisture in a given area to evaoparte and give him no source of moisture to spread his consciouness.
Bishop: Overload with energy until forced to release it. Either he will burn himslef up or will fall unconcious in which case extreme physical injury will kill him.
Elixir: Contionous decapitation, evisceration and amunation firing.
Rogue: Force her into a using her power and adminster a highly lethal toxin.
Cyclops: Reflect optic blasts to destroy his visor. Whilst distracted oppurtunity to kill him arises.

 

[Intheknow101]

So is it safe to say that a lot of Marvel characters can be killed through some of the most conventional methods (i.e., guns, poisons, knives, radiation, massive amounts of explosives, etc.)?

I find it hard to believe that most Marvel characters can be killed off so easily. But setting aside physics 101, and percieving it as Marvel's reality, the methods mentioned above used on the human physiology of some of these characters would seem plausible. I've just never seen any situation or story arc that would warrant the use of these weapons. The only time we see them used is on either Colossus or Wolverine... And even then, it's rarely used, except in the ultimate universe. What do you think?

I agree. Most of these super powered characters can die just how "humans" can die unless their physilogy is somehow grants them harder skin or various degrees of invulnerability.

I think the reason why we only see these attacks on people who can heal, have shields, or various other physical defenses is because otherwise all the heroes would be dead. It's like how come the bad guy never kills the hero right away, but gives a speech on their whole plan. lol.

 

[Manic]

Depends on the knife wound probably. A huge knife through the heart or head would certainly do it.

I don't know about the heart. Icarus has healing blood like Angel's, and he stabbed himself in the heart several times in an attempt at suicide. Failed everytime.

And Elixir has healed Kitty & Peter after getting impaled through their torsos. I don't see a stab to the heart killing him, either.

Seriously, you're not going to kill someone with a healing factor through conventional means. Even Beast survived getting impaled through the gut.

 

[Intheknow101]

I don't know about the heart. Icarus has healing blood like Angel's, and he stabbed himself in the heart several times in an attempt at suicide. Failed everytime.

And Elixir has healed Kitty & Peter after getting impaled through their torsos. I don't see a stab to the heart killing him, either.

Seriously, you're not going to kill someone with a healing factor through conventional means. Even Beast survived getting impaled through the gut.

Hmmm, then decapitation it is.

 

[ProfeZZor X]

Depends on the knife wound probably. A huge knife through the heart or head would certainly do it.

A special bullet could also work too. It all depends on the type, such as different calibers, or a highly modified hollow tip. That should be enough to send massive amounts of air, shrapnel particles, or exploding tip into the body, enough to disentigrate them from the inside. Just a thought.

 

[Intheknow101]

A special bullet could also work too. It all depends on the type, such as different calibers, or a highly modified hollow tip. That should be enough to send massive amounts of air, shrapnel particles, or exploding tip into the body, enough to disentigrate them from the inside. Just a thought.

Yeah or a bullet/knife laced with some sort of toxin or poison.
We're evil! haha.

I forgot to mention one incident with Rogue when she had her Mrs. Marvel powers where it was revealed that there is a more vulnerable spot on her invulnerable body. Mystique was able to stab her with a knife there.

 

[ProfeZZor X]

It's like how come the bad guy never kills the hero right away, but gives a speech on their whole plan. lol.

It was hilarious when they made fun of that in The Incredibles. Monologuing is the most widely used cliche' of all villains. It's how cliffhangers were made/born.

 

[Intheknow101]

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So are you saying we should stay away from weaponry and be more creative? If so I agree. Here are some deaths I would do:
Shadowcat: Use a power inhibitor on her whilst she is phasing through an object or wall. Or increase her powers to such a level she phases through Earth's gravitational pull.
Bishop: Overload with energy until forced to release it. Either he will burn himslef up or will fall unconcious in which case extreme physical injury will kill him.
Rogue: Force her into a using her power and adminster a highly lethal toxin.
Cyclops: Reflect optic blasts to destroy his visor. Whilst distracted oppurtunity to kill him arises.

I'll do the ones I haven't done.

Shadowcat- She's still vulnerable to telepathy, so that is an option in shutting her mind down. Adamantium is also so dense that it could still cause her pain when she's phasing. And then there's the 3rd option which is some sort of gas since she still has to breathe while phasing.

Bishop- attack him with anything that isn't just energy. Say like throw a car at him.

Rogue- I stated above she has a weak spot.

Cyclops- a sniper bullet

It was hilarious when they made fun of that in The Incredibles. Monologuing is the most widely used cliche' of all villains. It's how cliffhangers were made/born.

I remember that. It had me busting up. Same with the whole "No capes!" deal.

 

[javon]

<to profezzor>^lol!

 

[ProfeZZor X]

Hmmm, then decapitation it is.

I thought it was written somewhere that Elixir could instantly create another body for himself. If I'm not mistaken, it was in that "198" government mutant files book that came out about six or 8 months months ago.

 

[javon]

You talking about the one where they say something about Omegas?

 

[ProfeZZor X]

You talking about the one where they say something about Omegas?

I don't remember the exact name of the book, but it had a profile on most of the 198 mutants (steel grey cover with a picture of the Astonishing X-Men members). And in it, it mentioned him being a potential omega class, and that he could heal from anything instantly.

 

[javon]

Yeah i thought so. I think it was called "The 198 files"

 

[masterj]

Yer but even Elixir has so much energy. Constant physical attack or constant decapitation would wear him or his body out sooner or later. As long as you don't give him time to heal you can kill him. The way I'd do it is a good ol beserker mode by Wolverine. Constant slashing, the odd decapitation and evicseration through in a castration or two no wait that's not needed cus he's already got no b@lls.

 

[javon]

Yer but even Elixir has so much energy. Constant physical attack or constant decapitation would wear him or his body out sooner or later. As long as you don't give him time to heal you can kill him. The way I'd do it is a good ol beserker mode by Wolverine. Constant slashing, the odd decapitation and evicseration through in a castration or two no wait that's not needed cus he's already got no b@lls.

 

[D-scythe]

Actually physiscs says that energy cannot be created nor destoyed. But I guess thats a little different in the marvel universe is it?

I know, but you can generate kinetic energy by taking advantage of chemical/mechanical potential energy. So yes, kinetic energy can be created.

And a sniper could kill virtually any mutant (except those that are resistent to physical attacks, or have some special defense mechanism, obviously). As long as he/she is downwind of its target, any mutant is basically just as vulnerable as any normal human being. Sure, some mutants with hyper-senses can sense interruptions in air currents and stuff, but from a man-sized target 400+ metres away? Don't think so.

 

[ProfeZZor X]

I'm glad I created this thread.... It's interesting to see how creative you guys are when it comes to killing a powerful mutant. Keep up the good work!!!

 

[javon]

I know, but you can generate kinetic energy by taking advantage of chemical/mechanical potential energy. So yes, kinetic energy can be created.

And a sniper could kill virtually any mutant (except those that are resistent to physical attacks, or have some special defense mechanism, obviously). As long as he/she is downwind of its target, any mutant is basically just as vulnerable as any normal human being. Sure, some mutants with hyper-senses can sense interruptions in air currents and stuff, but from a man-sized target 400+ metres away? Don't think so.

Well since you hinted Storms powers, she still has a presure dome. And no i'm not making this into a "storm debate" but i was replying to this post and that knife thing.

 

[masterj]

Mhmm how would you guys kill Magma I can't really think of away. In human form its simple but things are never that easy. In magma form she is impervous to physical injury and weaponry. Id say water but it would probably evaporate. Maybe blasts of pure energy or a pyschic attack.

 

[Intheknow101]

Hmmm...a psychic attack should work. But enough water/ice should work too. The molten lava will harden and she wouldn't be able to move right?

If I recall, she is more powerful when she is touching the earth so if you lift her away from the earth, she could be easy to kill.

 

[D-scythe]

Well since you hinted Storms powers, she still has a presure dome. And no i'm not making this into a "storm debate" but i was replying to this post and that knife thing.

Yeah, I know. All I'm saying is that if the sniper is undetected (not a fair fight, but snipers are trained to be stealthy), they could concievably take out any mutant who's vulnerable to physical attacks. Of course, there are tactics to negate the effectiveness of a sniper, but if he does remain undetected, nobody would be able to defend against something they can't see or sense (including mutants that can create domes/forcefields).

I know, not a fair fight, but this isn't a fight.

 

[Exploding Boy]

I dont think we know enough about Elixir to say how much he can take. Right now anyone could kill him because he sucks using his power-wise. Later when his 'omega' potential is explored more we will see what he is capable of.

 

[ProfeZZor X]

Mhmm how would you guys kill Magma I can't really think of away. In human form its simple but things are never that easy. In magma form she is impervous to physical injury and weaponry. Id say water but it would probably evaporate. Maybe blasts of pure energy or a pyschic attack.

Take her out of her earthly environment to negate her powers, or use enough explosives to disperse her body into micro-particles. Enough that she wouldn't be able to reform.

 

[masterj]

OO very creative. Yer after reading what you said I realised about the earth connection bit.

 

[ProfeZZor X]

Okay guys, I have some toughies for you (or maybe not). How would you kill:

Gladiator
The Watcher
The Abomination
Franklin Richards
Hyperion
Ego
Silver Surfer
The Celestials
Sandman
Juggernaut (at full strength)
Galactus