The Official '52' Thread

New Earth is the merged earth.. the rest are number 1 to 51..
so since Earth-2 is the old earth2 its safe to say that Earth-1 is the pre COIE earth-1
And Issue #0 of JLA seems to have a page about a multiverse crossover with Earth-1
 
I like WildStorm getting recognized by the DC Universe, but I don't like that its own multiverse was either ignored or forgotten.
 
Well it was pretty gay.

Speaking of which!

http://expmagazine.com/midwest/?p=172

Some spoilers for the villains portion of Countdown.

Well at least [blackout]Ratty's not evil[/blackout]. Makes his annoying appearance in Guggenheim's Flash a bit more tolerable.
 
That makes sense... Earth 0 would be the merged earth, and the other earths would be duplicates that Mr Mind ate some of the history. That explains everything but the Wildstorm universe.
 
Well i gotta say booster sure did get what to own 52. I also agree that i think replacing the question was a bad idea. I mean we arent talking at about the same character now. Its like superman taking over for batman, its clear that they arent the same, and if their arent similarities then its not that hero. Also the question probably could have picked a christload of people more qualified then montoya. Yeah recon this one fast.
 
Replacing Vic/Charlie with a new Question? Bad idea. Hell, Renee Montoya was a good character on her own. It was 31 flavors of unnecessary.

However, I will give DC credit for this: they didn't suddenly drop this on our laps. We got to see nearly a full year of Question teaching Renee to think like him. I mean, it's not like when we got the new Blue Beetle.
 
And yet ironically, Jaime is pretty universally accepted where Renee is not.

You just can't predict the reactions, sometimes.
 
I supposed you're right.

Here's to the new multi/mega-verse, and the existence of Classic Question roaming through one of 'em.
 
It's probably because Ted already had some strong stories recently that showcased him at his best, and he went out with in huge, heroic style, defiant to the last against Max Lord. The Question, on the other hand, mysteriously just started contacting Renee, made her his sidekick, investigated Intergang a bit, revealed he had cancer, and then died in the middle of nowhere not too long after.

Plus, Jaime's a totally different kind of Blue Beetle from Ted, mixing in some Spider-Man-esque likability and fun with the overarching mystery of where his powers come from. It seems like they just tried to make Montoya a female Vic. She has nothing special or unique beyond some fantastic characterization in Gotham Central. She's just a woman whom Vic taught to think just about the same as he did, and now she's doing the same things he would've done in the same ways he would've done them (only with less martial arts, probably). It was a bland character transition right when it looked like Vic himself might be getting some of the spotlight he's so sorely lacked. I know I, for one, saw what Rucka was doing with Montoya but thought, "Nah, he's not gonna kill Vic. Vic's got too much going for him right now. He's so much more interesting than Montoya." Oops. :o

My problem with the Question is the same I had with the Atom. The new Atom is basically an Asian, pre-angst Ray Palmer. Montoya as the Question is basically just a female Vic. What's the point of the change if the character doesn't really change? Plus, Montoya was an interesting character in her own right, so now it feels like they basically destroyed two characters by stuffing them into the same superhero identity.
 
Dude, Corp, post a rant like that at the LJ *******.

Oh and I agree.
 
Oh yeah. But I don't even think of that as a rant, really. I set out to explain my notion of how the two came to be regarded so differently, and then I just kind of kept going. Totally unintentional.
 
New Earth is the merged earth.. the rest are number 1 to 51..
so since Earth-2 is the old earth2 its safe to say that Earth-1 is the pre COIE earth-1
And Issue #0 of JLA seems to have a page about a multiverse crossover with Earth-1

Are you sure about that????? The costumes were all wrong and even the "S" on the earth 2 Superman was all wrong.Of corse we could chalk it up to bad info given to the artist.I think it a new earth 2 with the basic history of the first earth 2.
 
Kebab doesn't know what the f**k he's talking about. It's New Earth. With it's own continuity, that has nothing to do with anything.
 
The Crime Syndicate were different, and they included an evil MM, which should be a white martian... and be dead in that universe...
 
Despite the naming conventions, all of the 52 Earths are new. New Earth is the one that the mainstream comics follow. Earths 1 through 51 are not the same as their pre-CoIE counterparts. They may be similar, but just like New Earth hasn't reverted to the continuity of the main pre-CoIE Earth, none of the other 52 current Earths necessarily have the same continuity as the pre-CoIE Earths.

Frankly, I don't really see the need for any new Earths. The 52 writers bandy about words like "infinite possibilities" but what new possibilities do the new Earths really afford? There's an Earth solely dedicated to the Fawcett characters, but all of those already exist within New Earth. There's an Earth with Wildstorm characters, but all that does is fly in the face of everything Planetary and other comics have told us about the Wildstorm universe's setup (unfortunate, too, since it was a really good setup). All I really see coming out of this are some more Silver Agey Elseworlds tales set on the other Earths, where Captain Marvel can still hang out with Talky Tawnee, for example, and easier character retcons. Don't like how Trials has screwed with Billy? No problem, just kill the New Earth one and import the Earth-5 one, free of all that pesky character development. Other than that, I don't see how this benefits anything other than maybe the new Booster Gold series. I certainly don't want to see alternate-Earth variants of every character popping up in comics now.
 
Lol you call it "character development." That's a good one.

Uh, other than that I agree. All that stuff the 52 writers have been saying with their recent casual, vague answers of "But you see we now have INFINITE POSSIBILITIES WHY AREN'T YOU AWESOMED BY THIS" to the very reasonable questions of "Why a multiverse and why now?" doesn't exactly scream foresight to me.

I am a bit more optimistic about it though, 'cause with Countdown and everything it does seem like DC in general they has some manner of cohesive plan about it, which I like. We'll see how it goes.
 
What I'm wondering is, how are they going to explain the stories DC had between the first Crisis and 52 that had alternate universes in them?
 
The Question said:
What I'm wondering is, how are they going to explain the stories DC had between the first Crisis and 52 that had alternate universes in them?
Retcon Punch!!!!
 
At least now DiDio can't claim Linda Danvers is gone. She's living just fine on Earth-8.

DON'T RUIN MY DREAMS.
 

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