Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. The OFFICIAL "Agents of SHIELD"/"The Defenders" crossover thread

[Dr. Evil]

We may see the following heroes as supporting characters:

- Misty Knight
- Colleen Wing
- Punisher
- Moon Knight
- Jennifer Walters (before She Hulk)
- Elektra

Long Shots include:

- Hulk
- Black Widow
- Hawkeye

 

[JJmelo]

I highly doubt Strange will show up here, aside from his connections with the name Defenders he has nothing in common with the types of characters they are portraying. Plus his powers aren't suited for a television show.

 

[The Question]

I highly doubt Strange will show up here, aside from his connections with the name Defenders he has nothing in common with the types of characters they are portraying. Plus his powers aren't suited for a television show.

Well, again, he's got a lot on common with Iron Fist.

 

[Dr. Evil]

I think it depends on who plays Doctor Strange. If he's "I only do movies" actor, we won't see him in Defenders. If it's someone who has done both then don't rule out seeing him in Defenders in between his film and Avengers 3.

 

[The Question]

I think it depends on who plays Doctor Strange. If he's "I only do movies" actor, we won't see him in Defenders. If it's someone who has done both then don't rule out seeing him in Defenders in between his film and Avengers 3.

That assumes that he'd be in Avengers 3. I don't really see Whedon or Feige doing that.

 

[Dr. Evil]

That assumes that he'd be in Avengers 3. I don't really see Whedon or Feige doing that.

Why not? It's going to take more than joining forces with the Guardians of the Galaxy for the Avengers to defeat Thanos, so I would expect that whoever they introduce for Phase 3 will be in Avengers 3.

A lineup of the current Avengers (Thor, Cap, Stark, Hulk, BW, Hawkeye plus Wanda and Pietro), plus the Guardians (Star Lord, Gamora, Drax, Groot and Rocket Raccoon) as well as various allies (Nick Fury, Falcon, Iron Patriot) are not going to be enough to defeat Thanos.

 

[The Question]

Why not? It's going to take more than joining forces with the Guardians of the Galaxy for the Avengers to defeat Thanos, so I would expect that whoever they introduce for Phase 3 will be in Avengers 3.

Because that's generally not the approach they've taken to these movies. It's not about "what would be the most powerful team up," it's "what combination of characters would make for the best story?" Like, I doubt the Guardians will be in Avengers 3 either. Avengers 3 is going to be about The Avengers, not a bunch of guest stars.

A lineup of the current Avengers (Thor, Cap, Stark, Hulk, BW, Hawkeye plus Wanda and Pietro), plus the Guardians (Star Lord, Gamora, Drax, Groot and Rocket Raccoon) as well as various allies (Nick Fury, Falcon, Iron Patriot) are not going to be enough to defeat Thanos.

A movie with all of those characters plus Dr. Strange sounds terrible.

 

[Dr. Evil]

Because that's generally not the approach they've taken to these movies. It's not about "what would be the most powerful team up," it's "what combination of characters would make for the best story?" Like, I doubt the Guardians will be in Avengers 3 either. Avengers 3 is going to be about The Avengers, not a bunch of guest stars.



A movie with all of those characters plus Dr. Strange sounds terrible.

If Thanos is a threat though and he becomes all powerful, then how is the current lineup of Avengers going to stop him? Thanos is going to be more powerful than Loki and Ultron put together.

I don't know how this lineup of:

- Iron Man
- Captain America
- Hulk
- Thor
- Black Widow
- Hawkeye
- Quicksilver
- Scarlet Witch
- Vision (maybe if Jarvis becomes him)

can defeat Thanos by themselves without help.

Explain to me how that current lineup as it's going to be constructed in Age of Ultron is going to defeat Thanos? Especially if he gains control of all of the Infinity Stones?

 

[The Question]

If Thanos is a threat though and he becomes all powerful, then how is the current lineup of Avengers going to stop him? Thanos is going to be more powerful than Loki and Ultron put together.

I don't know how this lineup of:

- Iron Man
- Captain America
- Hulk
- Thor
- Black Widow
- Hawkeye
- Quicksilver
- Scarlet Witch
- Vision (maybe if Jarvis becomes him)

can defeat Thanos by themselves without help.

That may be a real issue that Whedon will have to figure out when he rights the script, and I can't give an answer to that right now, especially without having seen Avengers 2 yet, but my point is that I think creating a giant cluster**** of a cast that could weigh the movie down sounds like a really bad solution to that potential problem.

Also, it sounds to me like a movie like you're describing would result in an ending climax where you have 30 characters all wailing on one guy, which sounds like it would be a pretty lousy action sequence. I'd much prefer a smaller group of characters finding a way to beat Thanos by out thinking him or doing something he wouldn't expect than a giant fan service-y orgy of violence.

 

[Dr. Evil]

That may be a real issue that Whedon will have to figure out when he rights the script, and I can't give an answer to that right now, especially without having seen Avengers 2 yet, but my point is that I think creating a giant cluster**** of a cast that could weigh the movie down sounds like a really bad solution to that potential problem.

Also, it sounds to me like a movie like you're describing would result in an ending climax where you have 30 characters all wailing on one guy, which sounds like it would be a pretty lousy action sequence. I'd much prefer a smaller group of characters finding a way to beat Thanos by out thinking him or doing something he wouldn't expect than a giant fan service-y orgy of violence.

Also I would think that Black Panther, Rhodey or even Falcon join the Avengers just so there can be some diversity on the team.

 

[The Question]

Also I would think that Black Panther, Rhodey or even Falcon join the Avengers just so there can be some diversity on the team.

I'd be down for that. But, like, one or two new members. Not a cast of thousands. Movies like that tend to be not good.

 

[Dr. Evil]

Either way, Doctor Strange is going to have his own movie.

 

[The Question]

Either way, Doctor Strange is going to have his own movie.

Yeah he will. That doesn't bar him from being the guy who brings The Defenders together. Like, you can have the four Defenders' shows on their own. As each one goes on, doing their own thing, you get hints of a larger story that's going to pay off in the mini series. Then you get to the mini series and you have Dr. Strange bring these four guys together to battle this larger, supernatural threat. And then when his movie comes along it's all "Hey, wasn't that wizard guy really cool? Well, here's his backstory!"

I'm not saying Dr. Strange is a lock for the mini, I'm just saying it's doable and I think it'd be cool.

 

[Dr. Evil]

Yeah he will. That doesn't bar him from being the guy who brings The Defenders together. Like, you can have the four Defenders' shows on their own. As each one goes on, doing their own thing, you get hints of a larger story that's going to pay off in the mini series. Then you get to the mini series and you have Dr. Strange bring these four guys together to battle this larger, supernatural threat. And then when his movie comes along it's all "Hey, wasn't that wizard guy really cool? Well, here's his backstory!"

I'm not saying Dr. Strange is a lock for the mini, I'm just saying it's doable and I think it'd be cool.

I think it depends on who they cast as Doctor Strange. They have to cast a guy who has no qualms about doing TV or Small Screen stuff.

We won't see Doctor Strange on the Defenders if they cast an actor who is only interested in doing movies.

 

[The Question]

I think it depends on who they cast as Doctor Strange. They have to cast a guy who has no qualms about doing TV or Small Screen stuff.

We won't see Doctor Strange on the Defenders if they cast an actor who is only interested in doing movies.

There are a lot less of those than there used to be.

 

[Dr. Evil]

There are a lot less of those than there used to be.

Of course, but there are still some out there.

My first choice for Doctor Strange has been Viggo Mortensen. i don't know if he wants to do TV.

I wonder if Cumberbatch can grow facial hair? If so, I think he'd be a perfect Doctor Strange. He's no stranger to TV and his film career is growing.

 

[JJmelo]

I guess Strange could show up but I dont think I would want him to. His powers would look terrible on a tv budget. Plus I believe that they said Daredevil is going to be the lead in Defenders. Or at least tie the other shows together

 

[seahammer]

I don't have time to look it up this morning, but didn't Fiege once say something like "Dr. Strange will be the Nick Fury of a future phase," linking different properties together? That idea fits with The Question's suggestion that he bring the team together for the mini series.

EDIT: Just read the first phase, and I now see that is how this conversation got started...

 

[metaphysician]

I am 100% certain that Dr Strange will be the unifying element for *mystical* world elements. Not street level heroism.

 

[cph9fa]

If Thanos is a threat though and he becomes all powerful, then how is the current lineup of Avengers going to stop him? Thanos is going to be more powerful than Loki and Ultron put together.

I don't know how this lineup of:

- Iron Man
- Captain America
- Hulk
- Thor
- Black Widow
- Hawkeye
- Quicksilver
- Scarlet Witch
- Vision (maybe if Jarvis becomes him)

can defeat Thanos by themselves without help.

Explain to me how that current lineup as it's going to be constructed in Age of Ultron is going to defeat Thanos? Especially if he gains control of all of the Infinity Stones?

Bah! Who needs Avengers when you can just do this:

Spoiler

 

[laytonc32]

If they want to be faithful to the comics, they need to introduce Adam Warlock somehow. He is the only really necessary to be added in Avengers 3 since he was the one to defeat Thanos. It be cool to have Surfer, but that won't happen with his rights owned by Fox.

 

[The Question]

I am 100% certain that Dr Strange will be the unifying element for *mystical* world elements. Not street level heroism.

But Iron Fist is both.

And, like, these characters don't have to exist in such distinctly separate boxes of "street level" and "cosmic level" and such. The Defenders, with Dr. Strange as the leader, has not historically been made up entirely of semi-phenominal nearly cosmically powerful mystical beings. The team has comprised of a radioactive mutation, a silver alien, a mer-man, a lesser Viking goddess, two mutants on a break from the X-Men, and a wannabe Batman with no powers at all. The fact that Daredevil's just a gymnast with super powers that aren't really all that super and mostly fights gangsters doesn't mean that, in the mini series that is going to be a separate thing from his solo series, he can't join a team led by Dr. Strange to deal with something quite a bit weirder than that alongside two super strong and indestructible private detectives and a kung fu wizard from another dimension who got his wizard powers from beating a dragon to death. Those are going to be his teammates wether Dr. Strange is involved or not, so I think adding him to the mix really wouldn't be out of place.

 

[Hypestyle]

curious. We'll see. I don't want this to be done any kind of way. And besides, would ABC even give clearance for their characters to appear on a NetFlix series?

 

[Zarex]

curious. We'll see. I don't want this to be done any kind of way. And besides, would ABC even give clearance for their characters to appear on a NetFlix series?

ABC Studios is producing them, so while I think the Netflix series will be mostly self contained I wouldn't be surprised if a SHIELD Agent pops up from time to time.

 

[Eddie]

curious. We'll see. I don't want this to be done any kind of way. And besides, would ABC even give clearance for their characters to appear on a NetFlix series?

They're ultimately Disney characters, as Disney owns both Marvel Studios & ABC. It wouldn't be an issue.