The Amazing Spider-Man The Official ASM THEATRICAL TRAILER Thread! - Part 2

[spider-neil]

Mid February.

whoa! seriously?!

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

Well, I think we are just estimating at this point.

 

[craigdbfan]

Mid February.

I recalled incorrectly. Mid January is what I meant.

Trailer will not be coming in 2011. That appears to be the situation. Expect something mid-January 2012.

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

I see.

 

[TheWallCrawler]

My ban is lifted... lol. First and worst. My excuse for being banned was weak, but whatever. Happy to be back and contribute.

at least you didn't miss anything, these threads have been pretty quite lately

 

[Scarlettess]

So mid-January is hopefully when it hits? well lets be hopeful then.

 

[White_Knight191]

Fingers crossed!

 

[UltimateWebhead]

Oh how crazy this place will be once the next trailer drops.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

Yes, it should be fun.

 

[chaseter]

BTW, since when is everyone around here a cinematography expert?? WTF??.

They became cinematographers after you became a director.

I have no problems with the cinematography...don't know what the hubbub is over it.

 

[spideyguy16]

I cant wait for the trailer gifs...

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

Oh how crazy this place will be once the next trailer drops.

Not as crazy as the Batman forums.

 

[spider-neil]

They became cinematographers after you became a director.

I have no problems with the cinematography...don't know what the hubbub is over it.

People don't have a problem with the cinematography they are simply commenting on how good it looks.

 

[SpideyInATree]

Oh how crazy this place will be once the next trailer drops.

This place is crazy without trailers dropping. I'll be interested to see what more they show is in the next trailer because based on that teaser trailer I'm currently in a "wait for DVD" mode.

Raimi already did an origin Spider-Man film...it was pretty perfect...no use in going and messing it up. Right?

 

[SpideyFan866]

This place is crazy without trailers dropping. I'll be interested to see what more they show is in the next trailer because based on that teaser trailer I'm currently in a "wait for DVD" mode.

Raimi already did an origin Spider-Man film...it was pretty perfect...no use in going and messing it up. Right?

Actually, He didn't do the origin right. His origin was pretty much their just to be there and establish the hero.

He went through it way to fast.

 

[SpideyInATree]

The origin wasn't too fast and it wasn't too slow. Raimi did it perfectly. If it's not broke you don't fix it.

They are trying to fix it. I have no want to see the film because it's another Spider-Man origin movie less than 10 years later.

Even when Bryan Singer made Superman Returns they didn't go into the origin. Why? Because Richard Donner knocked it out of the park with the best superhero movie of all time.

If they were using five to ten minutes of movie time to quickly retell the origin with the new actors, etc...totally makes sense. Having another movie based on his origin is not a good start.

Maybe it will be good. Who knows. As someone who is a huge fan of Spider-Man I have no want or need to see it because I already have a sweet Spider-Man origin movie. Also with much better actors.

 

[craigdbfan]

Actually, He didn't do the origin right. His origin was pretty much their just to be there and establish the hero.

He went through it way to fast.

You're joking right?

They literally spend an hour with origin building before we even see him in his final costume.

That's nonsense. Have some of you even watched the movie or just claim you have?

His origin was pretty much their just to be there and establish the hero.

Yeah that's what an origin is meant to do. So he did get it right according to your definition.

 

[spider-neil]

This place is crazy without trailers dropping. I'll be interested to see what more they show is in the next trailer because based on that teaser trailer I'm currently in a "wait for DVD" mode.

Raimi already did an origin Spider-Man film...it was pretty perfect...no use in going and messing it up. Right?

raimi's origin was good but it wasn't perfect

1. the costume went from a hoodie and jogging bottoms to the spidey outfit in one scene. what the hell?!
how did peter make it? did he buy it? did he sew it together?

2. sam didn't in any way shape or form explore the difference between shy and repressed peter parker to wise cracking spider-man.

3. the murder of uncle ben
this is just a personal choice because what sam gave us was fine but what I like about the origin in amazing fantasy #15 is spidey is making loads of money and through pure selfishness lets the robber run past him, spidey thinks 'no biggie, not my problem right?'
in the movie peter is wronged and thus gets 'revenge' by not stopping the crook. as a plotline it 'works' but it just doesn't have randomness of stan lee's original version. with sam's version peter if he so wished could justice his decision to not do anything because he was cheated out of money. in stan lee's version peter can't justify it to himself and the guilt is all consuming.

4. sam didn't explore peter's powers.
one scene of peter crawling up a wall, then a scene of him running and jumping and then a scene of him swinging (go web!)

now if I recieved the power of spider-man I would be like;
* how strong am I? - I would start with something medium sized and them move up to something as big as a truck. for all peter knows he can lift a house.

* how high can I jump?

* how fast am I?

* what surfaces can I crawl up?

so sam's origin was good and did what it needed to do but it wasn't perfect and certainly can be improved upon.

 

[Mace Bloodstone]

Raimi this word should be censored in here. enough already, its over.

 

[SpideyInATree]

So you wanted the movie to be like four hours long, right?

And most of your complaints are understandable but you realize that it's a story about a kid who gets bit by a spider and gets superpowers, right? There is a going to be a lot of suspension of disbelief, right?

In my opinion, it was done perfectly. The movie came out in 2002. So, The Amazing Spider-Man comics out ten years later and will have the SAME EXACT origin except "Mary Jane" is "Gwen Stacy". "Green Goblin/Norman Osborn" is going to be "The Lizard/Curt Conners". And it's supposed to be more "edgy". When I hear "edgy" I think of bat-nipples and Arnold Schwarzenegger playing Mr. Freeze.

It's not a good idea. Sony got mad at Raimi...they have license to print money with the Spider-Man franchise and they will do anything to make a movie. I feel really bad for the director and the actors. Because whether they like it or not they are going to be compared to the Raimi films.

This director is doing what Sony wants him to do. Probably why he's doing it because every other director knows it's probably a bad idea and may be career suicide. The best way to go about the movie would be a five to ten minute origin recap...bring the people up to speed on the new cast and "new universe" and that's that. Jump right into the movie.

And why would Raimi have to explore his powers? The guy gave benefit of the doubt to the audience because MOST of the audience has READ a Spider-Man comic at some time in their lives. Most people can pretty much figure out, "Ok, this guy is going to have powers like a spider".

I'll give you the fact that Tobey Macguire didn't do the wisecracking that Spider-Man is known for...however, that's not the point. I'm talking about an origin story. It was a WELL DONE Spider-Man origin. It's not broke. It doesn't need to be fixed.

They should be more focused on the villain of the movie and building him up. The Lizard could be freakin' sweet but I don't have much faith in it since it's not Raimi who also had a deep connection with the Spider-Man character since he grew up reading those old Lee/Ditko/Romita comics.

 

[spider-neil]

So you wanted the movie to be like four hours long, right?

And most of your complaints are understandable but you realize that it's a story about a kid who gets bit by a spider and gets superpowers, right? There is a going to be a lot of suspension of disbelief, right?

In my opinion, it was done perfectly. The movie came out in 2002. So, The Amazing Spider-Man comics out ten years later and will have the SAME EXACT origin except "Mary Jane" is "Gwen Stacy". "Green Goblin/Norman Osborn" is going to be "The Lizard/Curt Conners". And it's supposed to be more "edgy". When I hear "edgy" I think of bat-nipples and Arnold Schwarzenegger playing Mr. Freeze.

It's not a good idea. Sony got mad at Raimi...they have license to print money with the Spider-Man franchise and they will do anything to make a movie. I feel really bad for the director and the actors. Because whether they like it or not they are going to be compared to the Raimi films.

This director is doing what Sony wants him to do. Probably why he's doing it because every other director knows it's probably a bad idea and may be career suicide. The best way to go about the movie would be a five to ten minute origin recap...bring the people up to speed on the new cast and "new universe" and that's that. Jump right into the movie.

And why would Raimi have to explore his powers? The guy gave benefit of the doubt to the audience because MOST of the audience has READ a Spider-Man comic at some time in their lives. Most people can pretty much figure out, "Ok, this guy is going to have powers like a spider".

I'll give you the fact that Tobey Macguire didn't do the wisecracking that Spider-Man is known for...however, that's not the point. I'm talking about an origin story. It was a WELL DONE Spider-Man origin. It's not broke. It doesn't need to be fixed.

They should be more focused on the villain of the movie and building him up. The Lizard could be freakin' sweet but I don't have much faith in it since it's not Raimi who also had a deep connection with the Spider-Man character since he grew up reading those old Lee/Ditko/Romita comics.

it's got nothing to do with 'suspesion of disbelief'. the first rule of screen writing is 'show, don't tell'

treat the audience like they have never seen spider-man before in their life. sure EVERYONE has seen spider man but treat them like they haven't.

the spider-sense sequence made no sense to me. I know how peter's spider sense works but if I didn't that scene sure as heck wouldn't have told me.
you need to get across that when peter is in danger there is a 'buzzing' in his head and there must be a better way of showing the audience that.

then you have spidey's strength, there is a scene of peter holding flash' wrist and then punching him across the room, does that get across the fact spidey can lift TEN TONS?! no it does not and that could have been shown rather than relying on the audience to have read the official marvel handbook.

sam got across peter speed really well when flash moves to punch him and you see flash moving in slow motion while peter is moving at normal speed. now THAT works, it gives you all the information in one scene.

the bottom line is don't assume the audience knows anything, SHOW THEM don't TELL THEM.

spidey has;
super strength - 10 tons, that is like bench pressing a fire truck - did the origin show that?

super speed - times 15 the speed of a normal human, that's like a human moving in slow motion - did the origin show that? yes

spider sense - he senses danger, he doesn't 'SEE' danger but he gets a buzzing in his head when he is in peril - did the movie show this? kinda. it showed it in a really poor manner that didn't get across the information. you can't get rid of your meta knowledge of spidey's spider sense but if you could that scene would make no sense to you.
a fly, a spit ball, and then flash's fist which peter dodges. that makes NO SENSE.

spider agility - spidey puts even an ape to shame, did the origin show this?

spidey's wall crawling - the movie did show this but what are the limits, does this work through shoes for example?

peter intelligence - watching the movie peter comes across as smart rather than a tony stark level genius.

so it has nothing to do with suspension of disbelief, the audience has a general idea how spiders powers work but don't take that for granted. SHOW DON'T TELL.

 

[mayo23]

Maybe it will be good. Who knows. As someone who is a huge fan of Spider-Man I have no want or need to see it because I already have a sweet Spider-Man origin movie. Also with much better actors.

When someone says they're a "huge fan" of something, I'll take it with a grain of salt. And when someone says the actors from the previous movies were better, I can't take them seriously anymore. I know it's your opinion, but no. I can't.

 

[spider-neil]

take iron man for instance, not a big iron man fan and haven't read a lot of his comics but the movie (IM1) gets across the following to me;

1. tony stark is one of the smartest men in the country (if not the world)

2. he has technology near his heart that is keeping him alive

3. he has created the ability to fly and stabilises that flight using repulsers in the hand guantlets

4. his suit is faster than a fighter jet

tons of information got across in a few short scenes.

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thor on the other hand was terrible at getting information across

1. thor has hulk/superman level strength - did you get that from the movie?

2. thor's powers like lightning manipulation is natural, the hammer only FOCUSES those powers - did you get that from the movie?

the only thing it did really well is show when thor throws his hammer it returns to his hand and no one can lift the hammer if they aren't worthy.

basically there are good an bad ways to do an origin

 

[TheWallCrawler]

This is going to be very very different from the Raimi origin, it's not going to feel the same just because it's Spider-man's origin. It's understandable to think that way since people have only seen the spider-bite part and not anything else about the origin in this film

 

[mayo23]

This is going to be very very different from the Raimi origin, it's not going to feel the same just because it's Spider-man's origin. It's understandable to think that way since people have only seen the spider-bite part and not anything else about the origin in this film

If all they've seen from the origin is the spider-bite, and that itself is enough for them to not want to see this film regardless if it's very different from the Raimi origin, then that's not understandable to me at all.