The Official Boxing Thread!!! - Part 2

[Iron_Stark]

Canelo isn't the murderous puncher like Pac was at the lower weight or had plaster in his wraps like Margarito. He's not going to bulldoze Cotto. This isn't going to be Canelo/Angulo 2.

I see this as a pick'em fight with the slight edge going to Canelo mainly based on youth.

Definitely the most intriguing fight out there to be made. Outside youknowwho vs youknowwho

 

[Doc Samson]

Canelo and Cotto isn't a good fight imo. I like both guys, and in Cotto's case I love him. But Canelo is gonna bury Cotto rather easily. Cotto doesn't have the legs to stay away. He'll get beat up by a bigger, stronger, faster, younger fighter.

I agree with you on it not being a good fight, but I go the complete opposite way. I think Canelo doesn't have the necessary tools to be competitive with Cotto if Cotto chooses to box him.

Even at advanced age I think Cotto's hands aren't nearly as slow as you're saying. On top of that, as Stark pointed out, if he could take plaster shots from Margarito for a good amount of time, I don't think he'll have trouble taking shots from Canelo. I just feel like Canelo still lacks a certain amount of craft and ring generalship for higher skilled boxers. If Cotto decides to just stand and trade, then all bets are off, but if he's using his full arsenal of tools, he'll have an easy time IMO...

 

[Fallen Angel]

Yeah i see Canelo winning that fight as well. Will be war though.

By the way tomorrow night Golovkin V Marco Rubio and Nonito Donaire is back in action. unfortunately he hasn't been the same since Rigondeaux dismantled him.

 

[Docker2.0]

I agree with you on it not being a good fight, but I go the complete opposite way. I think Canelo doesn't have the necessary tools to be competitive with Cotto if Cotto chooses to box him.

Even at advanced age I think Cotto's hands aren't nearly as slow as you're saying. On top of that, as Stark pointed out, if he could take plaster shots from Margarito for a good amount of time, I don't think he'll have trouble taking shots from Canelo. I just feel like Canelo still lacks a certain amount of craft and ring generalship for higher skilled boxers. If Cotto decides to just stand and trade, then all bets are off, but if he's using his full arsenal of tools, he'll have an easy time IMO...

We agree to disagree. I think Canelo beats Cotto.........not saying easy but it ain't going 12 rounds. Canelo has extremely fast hands and Cotto has that stalking style that is taylor made for Canelo. Just because Mayweather beat him rather easily doesn't mean everyone else can.

Yeah i see Canelo winning that fight as well. Will be war though.

By the way tomorrow night Golovkin V Marco Rubio and Nonito Donaire is back in action. unfortunately he hasn't been the same since Rigondeaux dismantled him.

I can't wait. But I don't see Donaire winning? Why? He was cutting weight to beat up smaller guys. I think once he starts to get into the ring with guys his own size or not as big as the guys he use to KO, then he gets exposed. Don't get me wrong, I like him as a fighter and think he does it the right way by trying to clean up the sport but there's a part of me that thinks he's been a protected fighter.

 

[Docker2.0]

This article is why I really can't fully support GGG. Dude has fought literally no one but he's being hyped as the next big thing. Both Ward and Hopkins have wanted to fight the guy and he says no because it's big risk, low reward type fights. JCC Jr. wanted to fight him but didn't want to sign an extension with Top Rank, now all of a sudden he's ducking GGG. It amazes me how anyone involved with Top Rank and not getting a fight always comes up with the ducking excuse. GGG is good but his defense is very suspect. I've been on record saying that I think Ward will embarass him and I honestly JCC Jr. will knock him out and I can't stand Chavez. With that being said, I expect him to KO Rubio tomorrow night but dude is almost 32 and hasn't fought anyone but has some how got the title of the most feared man in boxing due to media hype. He could get a fight with the right guys if he wanted to but is seeking guys he knows he can beat rather than build up his status. Anyway, here's the article.

Edit. Never mind. Can't post articles here any more. But it made front page on Yahoo.

 

[Doc Samson]

We agree to disagree. I think Canelo beats Cotto.........not saying easy but it ain't going 12 rounds. Canelo has extremely fast hands and Cotto has that stalking style that is taylor made for Canelo. Just because Mayweather beat him rather easily doesn't mean everyone else can.

I'm not just basing it off Floyd, even Trout & Lara had some good moments, too good, IMO, for someone who people have anointed as the next big thing. And outside of Floyd, that's the best competition he's faced.

I just think Canelo is similar to Manny, in that he's good with a certain type of fighter. Cotto is tricky, he has different styles if he decides to use them. Above all though, he's a very good, very underrated boxer. He has more craft than he's given credit for, and he's a tough SOB on top of it. As long as he doesn't try to brawl with Canelo, I think he could walk away with a clear decision.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Canelo isn't the murderous puncher like Pac was at the lower weight or had plaster in his wraps like Margarito. He's not going to bulldoze Cotto. This isn't going to be Canelo/Angulo 2.

I see this as a pick'em fight with the slight edge going to Canelo mainly based on youth.

Definitely the most intriguing fight out there to be made. Outside youknowwho vs youknowwho

Canelo hits hard. More importantly, Cotto is no middleweight. And I could easily name more then a few more intriguing fights. Three off the top of my head...

Gennady vs. Canelo
Garcia vs. Matthysse 2
Manny vs. Any Legit WW

I agree with you on it not being a good fight, but I go the complete opposite way. I think Canelo doesn't have the necessary tools to be competitive with Cotto if Cotto chooses to box him.

Even at advanced age I think Cotto's hands aren't nearly as slow as you're saying. On top of that, as Stark pointed out, if he could take plaster shots from Margarito for a good amount of time, I don't think he'll have trouble taking shots from Canelo. I just feel like Canelo still lacks a certain amount of craft and ring generalship for higher skilled boxers. If Cotto decides to just stand and trade, then all bets are off, but if he's using his full arsenal of tools, he'll have an easy time IMO...

Cotto doesn't have the speed or stamina to pull that off. His hand speed is irrelevant, as Canelo can walk through Cotto's non-hooks. And if Cotto throws the hooks he will need to sit in the pocket and get his body beat up.

And Margarito ruined Cotto's chin. Cotto hasn't been able to take that kind of punishment since. Mayweather had him swaying in the 12th. Canelo was running from Margarito even without the plaster. Canelo will hit Cotto more, more consistently, and a lot harder then Mayweather ever did.

I'm not just basing it off Floyd, even Trout & Lara had some good moments, too good, IMO, for someone who people have anointed as the next big thing. And outside of Floyd, that's the best competition he's faced.

I just think Canelo is similar to Manny, in that he's good with a certain type of fighter. Cotto is tricky, he has different styles if he decides to use them. Above all though, he's a very good, very underrated boxer. He has more craft than he's given credit for, and he's a tough SOB on top of it. As long as he doesn't try to brawl with Canelo, I think he could walk away with a clear decision.

Trout's size was big in their match. It was also why Trout made Cotto look like crap. Lara has far more craft then Cotto.

Who exactly has Cotto beat since Mosley, 7 years ago, on the level Canelo is now? The answer is no one. Canelo's beating Lara is more impressive then any win Cotto has arguably ever had.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

This article is why I really can't fully support GGG. Dude has fought literally no one but he's being hyped as the next big thing. Both Ward and Hopkins have wanted to fight the guy and he says no because it's big risk, low reward type fights. JCC Jr. wanted to fight him but didn't want to sign an extension with Top Rank, now all of a sudden he's ducking GGG. It amazes me how anyone involved with Top Rank and not getting a fight always comes up with the ducking excuse. GGG is good but his defense is very suspect. I've been on record saying that I think Ward will embarass him and I honestly JCC Jr. will knock him out and I can't stand Chavez. With that being said, I expect him to KO Rubio tomorrow night but dude is almost 32 and hasn't fought anyone but has some how got the title of the most feared man in boxing due to media hype. He could get a fight with the right guys if he wanted to but is seeking guys he knows he can beat rather than build up his status. Anyway, here's the article.

Edit. Never mind. Can't post articles here any more. But it made front page on Yahoo.

Get out of here with Ward and Hopkins. They are a lot bigger then Gennady, and they are both hypocrites. Both are ducking bigger, stronger guys, but want Gennady to move up in weight. No one at 160 wants to fight him. No one. They are all afraid.

And if you honestly think Chavez Jr. would knock out GGG, I cannot take you seriously on boxing. Yeah, Chavez Jr. is much bigger, but he also has shown himself to be a standing target, and even with his weight advantage, Golovkin would treat him like a punching bag.

 

[Docker2.0]

I'm not just basing it off Floyd, even Trout & Lara had some good moments, too good, IMO, for someone who people have anointed as the next big thing. And outside of Floyd, that's the best competition he's faced.

I just think Canelo is similar to Manny, in that he's good with a certain type of fighter. Cotto is tricky, he has different styles if he decides to use them. Above all though, he's a very good, very underrated boxer. He has more craft than he's given credit for, and he's a tough SOB on top of it. As long as he doesn't try to brawl with Canelo, I think he could walk away with a clear decision.

No you are right. But look at Cotto's style. It's the stalking, standing in front of the guy that is made for Canelo. Trout, Lara, and Mayweather all used movement which Cotto does but nowhere near those guys. I honestly can see Canelo kind of running a clinic on Cotto. I'm nowhere near a Canelo fan but it is what it is.

Get out of here with Ward and Hopkins. They are a lot bigger then Gennady, and they are both hypocrites. Both are ducking bigger, stronger guys, but want Gennady to move up in weight. No one at 160 wants to fight him. No one. They are all afraid.

And if you honestly think Chavez Jr. would knock out GGG, I cannot take you seriously on boxing. Yeah, Chavez Jr. is much bigger, but he also has shown himself to be a standing target, and even with his weight advantage, Golovkin would treat him like a punching bag.

I do think JCC Jr will knock out GGG. His defense is suspect and any time you got a guy outweighing you by 20 lbs on fight night, you will be given problems.

And as far as Hopkins and Ward calling out GGG, how is it ok for GGG to call out Floyd and Manny who are 2 divisions below him but not for Ward to fight him? GGG spars with Kovalev and was about to fight JCC JR and wants Froch but when it comes to Ward.................there's no money involved. It amazes me how people can pick and choose how it's ok to fight fighter b but not fighter a.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

GGG is willing to fight Mayweather at 154, which Floyd is the Ring Champion. Meaning he is willing to risk the weight cut to fight Floyd. You show me where Ward is willing to cut to fight GGG. He wouldn't even move up to fight Chad Dawson.

And there is no money in Ward. Ward hasn't fought in a year, and that was Edwin Rodriguez. Ward wasn't a draw before, and not having a legit fight in 2 years means he isn't a draw at all.

 

[Docker2.0]

GGG is willing to fight Froch and JCC at 168. Why not Ward?

 

[DarthSkywalker]

GGG is willing to fight Froch and JCC at 168. Why not Ward?

For the money. Which is fair. If he is taking the risk, he wants to get paid. Ward isn't worth the money. It is the exact reason he is willing to take the risk and move down to fight Floyd. Because the money would be worth it.

What money is there in moving up to fight Ward, who hasn't fought anyone relevant in 2 years, hasn't fought in a year, and wasn't even a draw before? It is a tough fight, for no gain.

 

[Iron_Stark]

Who is Ward? Is he still fighting? LOL.

Funny how all the Mayweather apologists take out the Ward card for GGG.

How about Ward goes up in weight for Kovalev, Hopkins, Stevenson, and now Artur Beterbiev?

In the past fans ask for Mayweatger to fight Martinez, GGG, Lara, nope Mayweather is too small. Cotto wins the MW championship all of a sudden Mayweather can make history by fighting for the MW belt. But if someone brings up GGG, then they take out the Ward card. Those same fans want GGG to go up in weight, but will make a million excuses for Ward to go up in weight himself.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Floyd fighting Cotto for the MW title would have been an excellent option and also a rare one. Like when Jones saw the HW title beat around Ruiz waste.

 

[Docker2.0]

For the money. Which is fair. If he is taking the risk, he wants to get paid. Ward isn't worth the money. It is the exact reason he is willing to take the risk and move down to fight Floyd. Because the money would be worth it.

What money is there in moving up to fight Ward, who hasn't fought anyone relevant in 2 years, hasn't fought in a year, and wasn't even a draw before? It is a tough fight, for no gain.

Who is he fighting now? He's fighting nobodies right now. To be honest, if I was GGG I'd fight Ward now hoping for ring rust. If he was to beat Ward he'd be in the top 10 P4P. Plus dude is almost 32. Age is starting to creep up on him. He's older than Ward. He really needs to challenge himself but then again, the same can be said for Ward. I just don't understand Ward's beef with his promotional company when they have done everything right for him as far as his career. He seems to be his biggest problem. But GGG is not the most feared man in boxing like some claim because there are plenty of people who have called him out but he uses the "high risk low reward" excuse.

Who is Ward? Is he still fighting? LOL.

Funny how all the Mayweather apologists take out the Ward card for GGG.

How about Ward goes up in weight for Kovalev, Hopkins, Stevenson, and now Artur Beterbiev?

In the past fans ask for Mayweatger to fight Martinez, GGG, Lara, nope Mayweather is too small. Cotto wins the MW championship all of a sudden Mayweather can make history by fighting for the MW belt. But if someone brings up GGG, then they take out the Ward card. Those same fans want GGG to go up in weight, but will make a million excuses for Ward to go up in weight himself.

You always find a way to turn this into a Mayweather bashing party, No matter what.

 

[Fallen Angel]

Nonito Donaire loses by KO in the sixth to Nicholas Walters.

I thnik that's it for him at elite level.Such a shame on his day one heck of a fighter.

 

[Docker2.0]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! Donaire!! Now I can't go to the Philippines again without hearing this crap!

Seriously, I always thought Donaire was protected by Arum and the reason he went up in weight was to avoid Rigodenix or however you spell his freakin name.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

And that is exactly why GGG would wreck Chavez Jr. Rubio went the distence with Jr. GGG made him quit in the second.

Cotto, Canelo and Jr. don't want anything to do with Gennady.

 

[The Game]

GGG making the entire division in to good boys

 

[DarthSkywalker]

GGG making the entire division in to good boys

Canelo is a good boy.

 

[antonydelfini]

Nonito Donaire loses by KO in the sixth to Nicholas Walters.

I thnik that's it for him at elite level.Such a shame on his day one heck of a fighter.

He didnt fight smart and didnt use his speed advantage and footwork. He tried to outslug a taller bigger and more powerful puncher. He deserved to be KO'd.

GGG mauled Rubio which was totally expected.

 

[Docker2.0]

When GGG fights a JCC Jr or Ward, don't say I didn't tell you about him

 

[antonydelfini]

IMO, GGg beats Chavez, Ward UD's GGG.

 

[Human Torch]

My hat's off to Walters for being such a classy winner. It says something about a guy when he's a graceful winner.

That Rubio fight was a travesty,though. Rubio went to lay down without even saying his prayers.

 

[Docker2.0]

He didnt fight smart and didnt use his speed advantage and footwork. He tried to outslug a taller bigger and more powerful puncher. He deserved to be KO'd.

GGG mauled Rubio which was totally expected.

He didn't really have a speed advantage IMHO. I think when he was fighting guys smaller than him, it makes you look invincible. Once he started to go up in competition and guys his own size, it began to show how limited of a fighter he is. I've always had problems with guys who cut weight for a fight then come in 20 lbs over the weight limit on fight night. It's not only dangerous for the opponent but for the fighter also.