First Avenger The "OFFICIAL" CA:TFA Negative Reaction Thread

[Webhead38]

But they have talked about that! That one quote doesn't reflect everything thats ever been said about, and I still think it addresses what you want anyway! Don't forget Steve Rogers and Captain America are the same people. You can't have one grow exclusively without the other. Steve Rogers grows into his role sure, but Captain America's real power comes from how other people view him, what he begins to represent.

Steve Rogers is that boy who believed in this dream. But when the government gives him the name and outfit, he is asked to stand for something which he finds out isn't necessarily based on a black and white morality. THAT journey is what forms the essence of Captain America. Without that you just have a kid in a costume. Captain America has a greater message than fighting bad guys.

 

[Mercurius]

Steve Rogers is that boy who believed in this dream. But when the government gives him the name and outfit, he is asked to stand for something which he finds out isn't necessarily based on a black and white morality. THAT journey is what forms the essence of Captain America. Without that you just have a kid in a costume. Captain America has a greater message than fighting bad guys.

That's perfect about Captain America. That's what makes him complex, indeed.

 

[Wolvieboy17]

Yes, but he is still Steve Rogers. Thats where his depth of character comes from, he doesn't see himself as 'Captain America, the great hero' he still maintains some great humility.

Webhead, I feel like we are exactly on the same page, you're just not articulating it in quite the right way. I'm still not sure what it is from those quotes that makes you think we won't see this in the movie.

 

[Webhead38]

Webhead, I feel like we are exactly on the same page, you're just not articulating it in quite the right way. I'm still not sure what it is from those quotes that makes you think we won't see this in the movie.

I understand what your saying and I agree that we essentially have the same expectation. My concern is based on what I am NOT hearing...YET. If I was Chris Evans and had just finished playing the part, I would be talking up a different angle. What he says is pretty generic. But maybe he can't talk specifics right now. Perhaps he isn't permitted by the Studio. So my concerns may be unwarranted at this point. But I think I will have a better idea once the trailer comes out during the Superbowl. Now, that being said, I am looking for a clear theme in this trailer. If it's a mish-mash of scenes with no apparent message, I'll remain timid about the direction. Perhaps the root of my concern lies with the director. Joe Johnston has been handed a number of films in the past that are rich in imagery and story -Jurassic Park III and the Wolfman come to mind. But his results have always been mixed, with his direction favoring the superficial imagery over the importance of story. When he talks about this treatment being like Indiana Jones, it sounds like he's falling into that same trap. Captain America must have a quality story to sell him. It can't just be a costume, period piece. My hope is he breaks away from this tendency and gives we (the fans) a great picture.

 

[WildcatNC]

This film shouldn't be jingoistic.

America is a beacon for freedom in the world because of the ideals it represents to ALL people, not just Americans.

The movie shouldn't beat you over the head with patriotism. It should be assumed through Rogers on screen behavior.

No need to state it or sing "AMERICA F**K YEA"!!

 

[Silvermoth]

“I’ve always loved Raiders and the tone that it had,” says director Joe Johnston. “It was period but didn’t feel like it was made in the period. It felt like a modern-day film about the period, which is what we’re doing on Captain America. It will not feel like a war movie. It’s funny where it needs to be and emotional where it needs to be and serious and full of action.”

It's a shame he said that. It sounds like World War II is something he had to include not something he was really enthused about. It sounds like he wanted to make a modern superhero movie but had to compromise by setting it in World War II.

It's a shame they didn't get a director who would say "YES! I get to make a superhero film set in one of the most influential eras of all time!"

 

[JAK®]

It's a shame he said that. It sounds like World War II is something he had to include not something he was really enthused about. It sounds like he wanted to make a modern superhero movie but had to compromise by setting it in World War II.

It's a shame they didn't get a director who would say "YES! I get to make a superhero film set in one of the most influential eras of all time!"

You've made a lot of assumptions from that quote, which are of course completely incorrect.

 

[BigThor]

You've made a lot of assumptions from that quote, which are of course completely incorrect.

Yeah, Joe Johnson sounded like he was pretty excited about making a film set during WWII in my opinion.

 

[JAK®]

Not to mention just about all the scripts before this movie started production tried to skip the WWII part as fast as possible and it was only when this movie started getting made that the focus was shifted to being completely in WWII. Just ask Kevin Feige.

 

[BigThor]

Not to mention just about all the scripts before this movie started production tried to skip the WWII part as fast as possible and it was only when this movie started getting made that the focus was shifted to being completely in WWII. Just ask Kevin Feige.

Yep, sounds like Joe Johnson loves the WWII aspect of Captain America.

 

[SuperAl]

i really hope this ends up looking like band of brothers with a superhero thrown in

 

[roach]

i really hope this ends up looking like band of brothers with a superhero thrown in

im pretty sure its not going to be

 

[Mercurius]

i really hope this ends up looking like band of brothers with a superhero thrown in

I really hope this superhero thrown in can come out unharmed from that repetitive yadda yadda of WWII clichés that band of brothers was.

 

[TikkiEXX]

hmmm, wasnt Band of Brothers based on a bunch of real people? i specifically remember the interviews with the real guys on the last episode. so does that mean real life was a cliche? lol. and of course the show wasnt 100% accurate to real life but you get what im sayin.

 

[marcvader]

Uhh, cleeche is such uh cool wurd too uze.

 

[JAK®]

Would you say that ...cliché is clichéd?

 

[Mercurius]

hmmm, wasnt Band of Brothers based on a bunch of real people? i specifically remember the interviews with the real guys on the last episode. so does that mean real life was a cliche? lol. and of course the show wasnt 100% accurate to real life but you get what im sayin.

Some lives are pure cliché, yes indeed.

But, anyway, the operating word being "based" on something, we might not judge other people's lives so eagerly.

All those silly conversation, scenes that are an extended version of Saving Private Ryan. Oh boy.

 

[marcvader]

Certain people on these boards are clichés.

 

[marcvader]

Certain people on these boards are clichés.

 

[marcvader]

Certain people on these boards are clichés.

 

[Mercurius]

Certain people on these boards are clichés.

Posting the same thing twice you proved your argument.

 

[Microchip]

Posting the same thing twice you proved your argument.

Clearly thrice!

 

[TikkiEXX]

Some lives are pure cliché, yes indeed.

But, anyway, the operating word being "based" on something, we might not judge other people's lives so eagerly.

All those silly conversation, scenes that are an extended version of Saving Private Ryan. Oh boy.

ok, i see what youre saying,you were addressing the non factual parts of the show. i agree then, those parts where definately a bit cheesy.