Civil War The Official Captain America: Civil War News & Speculation Thread - Part 9

[DanielFM]

Yet the style in which the movie was shot actually match up perfectly with the tone of its name sake comic. They didn't just take Captain America and say make this more adult. The comic was dark, moody, and conspiracy driven. So making the movie a like a political thriller made since.

The opposite of what Zack Snyder did to Superman t:

 

[Johnny-Oh]

The way The Russos did TWS was exactly the kind of tone/style I wanted to see. It felt more like an adult action/thriller that happened to have a super hero in it, rather than a "super hero movie".

I agree but something I like about it is that it treated the superhero elements with respect, they were not embarrassed by it and that made it all the more compelling.

 

[Lantern Venom]

Iron Man held his own against Thor. That is quite a feat in of itself even if his suit was quadrupled in power.
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Iron Man didn't use brute force when attacking Thor. When they did get close enough to go hand-to-hand, Thor twisted and crushed Tony's gauntlets with ease.

Tony struggled to hold the car that Monger threw at him in IM1. That suggests that most of IM's armors don't have the strength of Spider-man.

This, even if Spidey is inexperienced, he only really has to land one full punch of Cap to beat him.

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Not so. Cap took a bullet and kept fighting. Cap took several shots from Bucky's bionic arm and stayed conscious. It's safe the say the SSS, at least the MCU version, has given him a near metahuman level of resillence.

 

[Mike Murdock]

I don't think you should compare movie Iron Man's strength to Comic Book Spider-Man's strength. Since we haven't seen both in action yet, we aren't comparing apples to apples.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Iron Man didn't use brute force when attacking Thor. When they did get close enough to go hand-to-hand, Thor twisted and crushed Tony's gauntlets with ease.

Tony struggled to hold the car that Monger threw at him in IM1. That suggests that most of IM's armors don't have the strength of Spider-man.



Not so. Cap took a bullet and kept fighting. Cap took several shots from Bucky's bionic arm and stay conscious. It's safe the say the SSS, at least the MCU version, has given him a near metahuman level of resillence.

That armour in IM1 was at 20% power and dropping when Tony couldn't hold the car. Big difference between that and 100%.

Bucky's bionic arm is no where near Spiderman's strength either, Spidey can typically life 10 tons in the comics and in the movies has shown to do more than that. One full punch from Spidey would put Cap down with ease.

 

[Brian Braddock]

Agree, to be honest.

Despite his seemingly enhanced MCU power set, Cap still got decked with one Quicksilver punch. You could say that it was because of a combination of not seeing it coming and Quicksilvers inertia/momentum giving the punch more power, but that punch should still be less powerful than one that Spidey could muster.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Agree, to be honest.

Despite his seemingly enhanced MCU power set, Cap still got decked with one Quicksilver punch. You could say that it was because of a combination of not seeing it coming and Quicksilvers inertia/momentum giving the punch more power, but that punch should still be less powerful than one that Spidey could muster.

Definitely, bad writing is the only way Cap can beat Spidey for me. Spidey is much stronger, faster and has his spider sense.

 

[Lantern Venom]

That armour in IM1 was at 20% power and dropping when Tony couldn't hold the car. Big difference between that and 100%.

Bucky's bionic arm is no where near Spiderman's strength either, Spidey can typically life 10 tons in the comics and in the movies has shown to do more than that. One full punch from Spidey would put Cap down with ease.

I haven't seen anything on film so far that would suggest that Spider-man has that level of strength. It took him multiple kicks to put down Bonesaw. He punched Doc Ock in the face multiple times and couldn't knock him out. While the MCU is likely to have tweaked versions of Spidey's levels, I'd be shocked if he could take down Cap quickly, let alone with a single punch.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

I haven't seen anything on film so far that would suggest that Spider-man has that level of strength. It took him multiple kicks to put down Bonesaw. He punched Doc Ock in the face multiple times and couldn't knock him out. While the MCU is likely to have tweaked versions of Spidey's levels, I'd be shocked if he could take down Cap quickly, let alone with a single punch.

Spidey is known for pulling his punches my friend, he has done it for years so he doesn't truly hurt someone, especially when he is facing a regular human. Are you telling me he could stop that train in Spidey 2 but couldn't knock out Doc Ock if he really wanted to? Or he could hold a tram full of kids up while taking punches from Goblin but couldn't knock out bonesaw if he wanted to? Read between the lines my friend, the movies don't have to spell out everything.

 

[Lantern Venom]

Spidey is known for pulling his punches my friend, he has done it for years so he doesn't truly hurt someone, especially when he is facing a regular human. Are you telling me he could stop that train in Spidey 2 but couldn't knock out Doc Ock if he really wanted to? Or he could hold a tram full of kids up while taking punches from Goblin but couldn't knock out bonesaw if he wanted to? Read between the lines my friend, the movies don't have to spell out everything.

I can't buy that line of reasoning. Take a look at the first 20 seconds of this vid. Spidey is clearly angry and hitting Ock with everything he's got. While this cinematic version of Ock is stronger than the usually pudgy, weak version of comic Ock, he's still a human who took several direct punches to the face.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k4qOXg_PMUg

 

[DanielFM]

Or he could hold a tram full of kids up while taking punches from Goblin but couldn't knock out bonesaw if he wanted to?

But those are well beyond canon, comic-book Spiderman strength level.

He shouldn't be able to stop a train or to hold a tram.

 

[TheVision]

Johnny-Oh: So much I loved in TWS like the opening action sequence with Cap infiltrating the ship with that silent ninja style while the music score is going was awesome. It felt more like a Bourne Identity movie.

Another standout sequence that made me very happy as a super hero fan: Cap taking out the jet with his shield on the bridge. That is one of the best action scenes in the MCU so far.

 

[Lantern Venom]

Johnny-Oh: So much I loved in TWS like the opening action sequence with Cap infiltrating the ship with that silent ninja style while the music score is going was awesome. It felt more like a Bourne Identity movie.

Another standout sequence that made me very happy as a super hero fan: Cap taking out the jet with his shield on the bridge. That is one of the best action scenes in the MCU so far.

I always have to rewind the movie and watch that a couple of times. t:

 

[RockSP]

That armour in IM1 was at 20% power and dropping when Tony couldn't hold the car. Big difference between that and 100%

Not to mention he's built 80 kajillion sets of armor since then. I doubt he neglected to increase the strength in them.

 

[RockSP]

Spidey is known for pulling his punches my friend, he has done it for years so he doesn't truly hurt someone, especially when he is facing a regular human. Are you telling me he could stop that train in Spidey 2 but couldn't knock out Doc Ock if he really wanted to? Or he could hold a tram full of kids up while taking punches from Goblin but couldn't knock out bonesaw if he wanted to? Read between the lines my friend, the movies don't have to spell out everything.

I doubt he knew the limits of his strength during the Bonesaw fight. And as far as Doc Ock...so Spidey of all heroes would put people's lives in danger by holding back so much when he could knock out Otto easily? Doesn't make sense. They should've had Ock blocking most of the punches with those arms or something.

 

[Venom'sDad]

Agree, to be honest.

Despite his seemingly enhanced MCU power set, Cap still got decked with one Quicksilver punch. You could say that it was because of a combination of not seeing it coming and Quicksilvers inertia/momentum giving the punch more power, but that punch should still be less powerful than one that Spidey could muster.

I think Quicksilver is close to the same level as Cap though...I think they both can lift a half of ton, or slightly more than that. Spidey can lift 15 tons, and probably can now lift more than that, given what happen in "The Other".

As far as DocOck shouldn't be able to take a Spidey punch....his head should be crushed & separated from his body, if Spidey didn't pull back...the same with BuzzSaw. Although, DocOck tentacles can lift about 8 tons a piece, I think....that has nothing to do with his very average human jawbone.

 

[DarknessOfDeath]

I always have to rewind the movie and watch that a couple of times. t:

Same. I love the winter soldier and I love hayley Atwell. She'll be missed as the mcu continues on without her

 

[spideyboy_1111]

Same. I love the winter soldier and I love hayley Atwell. She'll be missed as the mcu continues on without her

... it's continuing with her.... she's not going anywhere. just because her character likely dies in the present... it's not like she's not going to continue to not be in the MCU's future... in flashbacks and her own Peggy Carter TV show

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

I can't buy that line of reasoning. Take a look at the first 20 seconds of this vid. Spidey is clearly angry and hitting Ock with everything he's got. While this cinematic version of Ock is stronger than the usually pudgy, weak version of comic Ock, he's still a human who took several direct punches to the face.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k4qOXg_PMUg

The thing is though, he can't knock Ock out in that fight because he needs him conscious to find out where MJ is. So he had to pull his punches.

Plus Spiderman 2.1 proved a theory me and many others suspected for a while to be true. The arms were keeping Ock conscious. They were fused to his spine and brain after all.

Not to mention he's built 80 kajillion sets of armor since then. I doubt he neglected to increase the strength in them.

Exactly, he will be at his strongest in CW

I doubt he knew the limits of his strength during the Bonesaw fight. And as far as Doc Ock...so Spidey of all heroes would put people's lives in danger by holding back so much when he could knock out Otto easily? Doesn't make sense. They should've had Ock blocking most of the punches with those arms or something.

Well as I said above, the 2.1 version of the movie shows a scene that heavily implies the arms kept him conscious.

Either way, Spiderman is much stronger than Cap, always has been, always will be. In the comics, movies, cartoons, you name it, he has shown feats of strength much bigger and better than anything Cap has ever done.

 

[Eggyman]

I can't buy that line of reasoning. Take a look at the first 20 seconds of this vid. Spidey is clearly angry and hitting Ock with everything he's got. While this cinematic version of Ock is stronger than the usually pudgy, weak version of comic Ock, he's still a human who took several direct punches to the face.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k4qOXg_PMUg

It's a bad example. It's been discussed countless times on these boards: Ock should be knocked the f*** out in that scene, without question.

 

[TheVision]

This is MCUs chance to make Spidey the universal iconic fan favorite to everyone once again. I hope they make their version the best one yet.

 

[terry78]

Writers make Spider-Man as strong as he needs to be in given scenes, it's very inconsistent. His default is supposed to be like 10 tons, so by all accounts it's basically like me getting in a fight with some little kid. The kid is going all out, but if I do anything I can't be too rough because I know he'll get ****ed up. He's trying to stop these guys, not explode their brains.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Writers make Spider-Man as strong as he needs to be in given scenes, it's very inconsistent. His default is supposed to be like 10 tons, so by all accounts it's basically like me getting in a fight with some little kid. The kid is going all out, but if I do anything I can't be too rough because I know he'll get ****ed up. He's trying to stop these guys, not explode their brains.

 

[MbJ]

I never got why everyone is so obsessed with the strength levels in the movies when they're already inconsistent as hell. Remember everyone freaking out about Kurse catching Mjolnir?

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

I never got why everyone is so obsessed with the strength levels in the movies when they're already inconsistent as hell. Remember everyone freaking out about Kurse catching Mjolnir?

He didn't catch it, he knocked it away hen Thor summoned itt: