The Official Costume Thread - - - - - - - - - Part 18

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IMO, there's no such thing as having an opinion on whether or not someone is a true fan. Mainly because it is objectively untrue. It depends on you, yourself, and only you as to whether or not you are a true fan. If you say you are, you are.

And not disliking a change does not make you a sellout or not a true fan. They just have different tastes. We are ALL Fans, with individual tastes and opinions on certain subjects. Saying that someone isn't a true fan because of their own personal opinion is flat out stupid.
 
I agree completely.

The thing is, I feel like i've invested a lot of hope in this film. Like this is the last time I am going to even remotely dream of the possibility of a Superman movie I love.

And I think that's why I, and a lot of other people who were heavily pro trunks, have been so accomodating about the changes.

Just trying desperately not to give up on our last hope for a good Superman film!

Well put :up:
 
I think you should be banned automatically for telling someone here they aren't a "true fan." In the community of fandom, there is no greater insult.
 
I feel people use the "nature of adaption" as an excuse to sell out and to accept sellouts.

********. I love the changes that are inherent in adaptation. It's what makes it interesting. If nothing was going to change, I don't see the point. You're not going to tell me I'm being disingenuous or a liar.

You really need to get the hell over yourself.
 
You really need to get the hell over yourself.

And so, I'd suggest do you. Some of us have decades invested in Superman and just don't see him in Snyder's atrocity. I'm happy to embrace change as long as it's for the better but sadly all I see is a pathetic attempt to pander to the five second concentration span generation who'll have moved on to something else before the movie's even released.
 
And so, I'd suggest do you. Some of us have decades invested in Superman and just don't see him in Snyder's atrocity. I'm happy to embrace change as long as it's for the better but sadly all I see is a pathetic attempt to pander to the five second concentration span generation who'll have moved on to something else before the movie's even released.

You only seen pictures. You have no real idea of the story, quality of
writing, or overall presentation.

Honestly, if you're gonna go into the movie hating it before it even starts, my suggestion would be not to see the movie then. You'll save yourself a lot of grief.
 
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To me, the claim that the real costume doesn't work on screen is a complete lie. It worked before didn't it? Worked damn well too. No, the costume was changed to a dark dark dingy blue with no trunks as a tribal or whatever pattern because of shame, plain and simple. It's a damn miracle Superman: Returns got made with something resembling the real costume. Hell, it's fortunate that the MOS costume is as close as it is. Look at what Hollywood has tried to do to Superman over the years. No Krypton, no flying, Nic Cage, giant spider. It's why I feel they are worthless-they have hatred and scorn for comics and comics fans and only exploit them for money. But when I see the MOS costume-which isn't a half-bad costume as movie superhero suits go-I still see the shame of comics fans at their hobby, their embarrassment and a pointless attempt for acceptance. IT'S NOT GONNA HAPPEN.

Selling Superman out to a group of people that will always think he is stupid is very lame.

This is a pretty thought provoking argument; and I wanted to think on it some more before I responded in full.

As you and others have said before, it is indeed the intent of the Hollywood filmmakers and studios to change/update the look and feel of certain comic book characters so as to appeal to a wider audience. I won't go so far as to say that hatred is the fuel that burns their fires, but I agree that exploitation and greed is certainly at work here on some level. Here's what I don't agree with. To assert that fans who are willing to accept some/all of these aforementioned changes are sellouts merely looking for acceptance is way too generalized of a statement -- one that is, by no means, an accurate reflection of all those who are in favor of the new MOS suit. Some fans just like it! And it's as simple as that! Superman is a whole lot more than blue tights and a red cape. People admire the character for a host of different reasons. And like I said before, even if you don't care for every single detail about Siegel and Shuster's original creation, that doesn't make you less of a fan. I personally never cared for the trunks (even as a child), so it's not that big a deal for me that they're gone in this new incarnation; and I know I'm not the only one who feels this way. It seems to me that you're of the belief that anyone who doesn't support all aspects of the classic design is simply not a true Superman fan; and that's just ridiculous. You talk about acceptance, but you're actually just as bad as the people you despise in some ways. You frown upon those who don't accept your ideologies 100%. Despite not knowing for certain why some people like the new costume design, you have the audacity to act like you do -- as if you're some kind of a mind-reader. What's worse is that you ignore various explanations as to why we appreciate it.

Now, sure there is some hatred and scorn against fanboys (and fangirls, who aren't even always acknowledged outside and even inside that of fandom circles), but everyone who doesn't like comics isn't like that.

As far as fans wanting to assimilate with the mainstream, I don't think it's entirely a matter of people looking for worldwide acceptance. Maybe you're wanting your girlfriend or your best friend, both who aren't into comics, to be exposed to something different. Maybe you love the comic book art form so much that you're wanting to share it with them. And you know what? You're wrong. Because chances are they might like it. People are full of surprises. And even if they don't like it, life goes on. Wanting to share and maybe even convert others to your way of thinking is a part of human nature.

There are things I personally like about the new MOS suit and things I don't. And the same can be said of the classic design. It's okay to like something 85% or ::gasp:: even 50%.

Having said that, you certainly do bring up some interesting points, but you lose them just as fast when you try to pigeonhole everyone into one group or assume that you perfectly understand everyone's thought processes and motivation for behavior. You most certainly do not.

And one final note: As a comic book fan, I'm grateful for the array of amazingly well done movies that have been and continue to be developed in this genre. Despite the "hatred and scorn" you say that Hollywood seemingly has for fandom, they've actually managed to not screw up too badly at all or veer terribly far from the original source material. Sure, we've had some misses, but what about the hits?? And you know what else? Nick Cage? No Krypton? Giant Spider? Guess what? DIDN'T HAPPEN.
 
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I'd say it's less a case of not being a real fan of Superman as it is a case of being too willing to accept ANYTHING just because they slap the \S/ on it. And I'm as guilty as anyone-I've read and watched plenty of garbage just because they did that. Byrne Superman, Mullet Superman, Electric Superman, Smallville. Pure crap, and I bought every issue/watched every episode. But I'm sick of accepting junk just because it has the \S/ on it.
 
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i agree demanding more for what you paying for is not wrong when its 10 bucks a ticket

i said in the tdkr thread that if the bat-wing is a tumbler transformed i would not see the movie because it would be cheap lazy writing i would be insulted that someone would think i am stupid enough to accept that
 
^pretty dumb reason not to see a final nolan bat movie to be honest lol
 
I can't anticipate a time when I would ever not want to see a Nolan movie period, much less a Nolan Batman movie. The guy is freaking brilliant.
 
I can't anticipate a time when I would ever not want to see a Nolan movie period, much less a Nolan Batman movie. The guy is freaking brilliant.

Agreed, he is, but his batsuit is less than faithful. What is your opinion of it, Kurosawa? I loved the Begins suit despite its flaws but I'm not the biggest fan of the TDK/TDKR batsuit because it is overdesigned and, in my opinion, far less faithful than the MOS Superman suit. (the same criticisms you have of the MOS Supersuit) However, I still love the Nolan Batman films because they are overall awesome and get the characters, themes, and relationships as they exist in the best stories in the comics. If Man of Steel accomplishes those things with Superman, will you love the film despite the suit not being what you wanted?
 
Agreed, he is, but his batsuit is less than faithful. What is your opinion of it, Kurosawa? I loved the Begins suit despite its flaws but I'm not the biggest fan of the TDK/TDKR batsuit because it is overdesigned and, in my opinion, far less faithful than the MOS Superman suit. (the same criticisms you have of the MOS Supersuit) However, I still love the Nolan Batman films because they are overall awesome and get the characters, themes, and relationships as they exist in the best stories in the comics. If Man of Steel accomplishes those things with Superman, will you love the film despite the suit not being what you wanted?

I have hated every live action Batman costume that has ever been designed. They all suck.

If everything else about the MOS movie is true to the spirit of Superman, and if he is pure, noble, heroic, optimistic and does not kill, then I will overlook the flawed-but still pretty cool-costume.
 
Yeah Kurosawa, watching the Nolan bat films, even though the costume is quite the departure, it is still true to the character of Batman.

You liked Action Comics 1 right? Very different costumes,
but
the character is there.

Superman fans
who accept trunkless supes are still true fans. It's like giving your girlfriend a skirt when all you've seen her wear are
pants. Doesnt
mean you do not love her, it just means you're okay seeing her with different clothing as long as it looks alright.
 
And so, I'd suggest do you. Some of us have decades invested in Superman and just don't see him in Snyder's atrocity. I'm happy to embrace change as long as it's for the better but sadly all I see is a pathetic attempt to pander to the five second concentration span generation who'll have moved on to something else before the movie's even released.

What do I have to get over? I don't have a problem with someone who likes the classic look. I do have a problem with someone who tells me I'm full of it when I say I like the new suit. I won't apologize for being a little miffed when I'm told I'm a liar for liking a goddamn costume. You're being deliberately obtuse if you're gonna try to tell me that these two scenarios are at all comparable. One of us is being insultingly unreasonable, and it's not me.
 
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I'd say it's less a case of not being a real fan of Superman as it is a case of being too willing to accept ANYTHING just because they slap the \S/ on it. And I'm as guilty as anyone-I've read and watched plenty of garbage just because they did that. Byrne Superman, Mullet Superman, Electric Superman, Smallville. Pure crap, and I bought every issue/watched every episode. But I'm sick of accepting junk just because it has the \S/ on it.

Then by all means, Kuro, continue to preach of the goodness of silver age Superman the best you can. I often agree with you..

But for the sake of everyone else who is happy with all the changes since then, please let them have it and go on with your seperate lives...

The movie costume is happening... Why not focus your energy somewhere else and try to make silver age fans out of modern and/or new fans..?
 
I have hated every live action Batman costume that has ever been designed. They all suck.

Damn...B89 was pretty good...

If everything else about the MOS movie is true to the spirit of Superman, and if he is pure, noble, heroic, optimistic and does not kill, then I will overlook the flawed-but still pretty cool-costume.

Great scott! I hope the movie captures all of that not only for you, but myself as well....
 
If everything else about the MOS movie is true to the spirit of Superman, and if he is pure, noble, heroic, optimistic and does not kill, then I will overlook the flawed-but still pretty cool-costume.

And does anything tell you otherwise?


Damn...B89 was pretty good...

Better than good. And without nipples, BF bat-suit was algo good.
 
I can't anticipate a time when I would ever not want to see a Nolan movie period, much less a Nolan Batman movie. The guy is freaking brilliant.

the last Nolan film I truly enjoyed was the prestige which I consider to be the best bale film as well it really was great

I apologize but tdk and inception left me less than impressed, if I had to pick a brilliant director it would be Darren aronofsky ( I love pi and the fountain )
 
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And so, I'd suggest do you. Some of us have decades invested in Superman and just don't see him in Snyder's atrocity. I'm happy to embrace change as long as it's for the better but sadly all I see is a pathetic attempt to pander to the five second concentration span generation who'll have moved on to something else before the movie's even released.
Honest question, why are you here? You despise Snyder's Superman and this is a forum about Snyder's Superman. Just to remind people you don't like it daily?
 
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Looks like he's just now realizing he left his red undies back in the Fortress of Solitude
 
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